But if Evra goes we need to retain solidity Baines provides that. We can coach a youngster at the same time. Who do people want us to get Marcelo!? Jeezz.
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But if Evra goes we need to retain solidity Baines provides that. We can coach a youngster at the same time. Who do people want us to get Marcelo!? Jeezz.
I assure you that there were a lot of non-deluded people who thought that he's gonna be a good/very good signing.
It's hard to know how a player that looks great at a lower level would do at a big club. All of Young, Downing, Valencia and Adam have looked great at a lower level and only Valencia has done well and was worth the money.
Baines has been the best defender offensively for a long time, and at-least in top 3 left defenders on the last 2 years. While I don't think that the signing could as wrong as some others, I doubt that he will ever be considered as a good signing. Of course, there is a high possibility that I am making a mistake on judging a player, and I really hope that this is the case.
I would prefer Baines to Marcelo, undoubtedly. Marcelo is typical overrated player who because has some good moves going forward, people forget how crap he is at defending.
Take the Young debate to the Young thread.
In every post I have mentioned Young, I have mentioned Baines too and made some links between them.
Only at 11pm. You set the standard.
What most concerns me about this signing is it seems like the priorities are wrong. Moyes has removed the previous coaching team, or so it seems to bring in probably Everton's coaching team. To me that is a possible downgrade. Then we are going for Baines, who yes is probably the best Everton have to offer, but regardless feels a bit like going back for more of the same.
The priority to me should be a midfielder, as it has been for about 6 years! And maybe we are going for multiple players at the same time, it is just that this story coming out as official first makes me wonder why this one, rather than others such as Stootman and Thiago.
The priority to me should be a midfielder, as it has been for about 6 years! And maybe we are going for multiple players at the same time, it is just that this story coming out as official first makes me wonder why this one, rather than others such as Stootman and Thiago.
Because Everton decided to publicly announce that they rejected a bid from us. Simple.
And it stands to reason the English press will have more contacts within the English game rather than Spanish.
The logic that every signing from the PL will turn out like Young is dumb. I'm not sure why he's being mentioned in this thread, and if people really want to mention him then perhaps they could mention Carrick who was also in a similar situation like Baines.
not that many were very critical. the ratio was a bit more tilted towards those critical in Young's case but there are similarities.
In my opinion, in case Evra leaves it is a good signing, even though we would have overpaid by a few million.
carrick wasn't really a similar situation. it was more a case of us really needing a midfielder. signing baines for more than 15 million would be in line with young as well as berbatov
there were plenty who thought it was a good deal. most of them completely in favour of signing Baines.
while Baines has been the best performer at left-back, there is still validity in questioning the signing if Evra isn't leaving.
I don't see one single poster who wants us to sign Baines if Evra is staying. If he is leaving, then however it is a totally different matter altogether.
This! He is an experienced player and we have enough young talent in defence. We need some more experience if Evra is leaving.
Granted that he's very good at going forward, i'm not sure about his defending at the other end. 10m is a good price of his stature, but buying an English player from the PL would add a few more millions into that
We did spend almost 20m on Ashley Young with just a year of his contract at Villa to go, didn't we?
We did spend almost 20m on Ashley Young with just a year of his contract at Villa to go, didn't we?
As said before, with so many rare talent around I wonder how England keep on underachieving on a year in year out basis. Dont take me wrong, I rate Baines as a good player but he's certainly not as good as Evra.
If you think that Leighton Baines is not a better left back than Evra's current level of ability I dont think we're ever going to agree on anything. Baines is the best left back in the PL, closely followed by Ashley Cole. Both, in my opinion, are better than Evra.
Evra was a top left back, had an awful season before last, did better last year - not going to get any better and might get significantly worse over the next couple of years.
From epl index.
Evra played 4 more games.
Creating chances both from set pieces and open play seem to be his strengths, aerial duels seem his weakness.
Nobody really seems overly fussed about this signing either way.
At one point last season Baines had created more "goalscoring" chances than any other player in the PL I recall. I heard that stat on Football Focus and was surprisuied by it. It was not long after Christmas if I recall rightly.
Best left back in Europe. Factual.
Let's forget that he can't get in his national team.
Let's forget that he can't get in his national team.
Yes no one moaned about Carrick or thought we'd been robbed at £18m.
The only pro's I seem to come across is about the chances he creates. Yet he got the same goals and assists as Evra despite taking penalties, Fks and corners there. Evra wasn't really criticised for his attacking intent, more getting caught out of position and slowly jogging back which he didn't do much last season iirc.
I'm sure the plan was for Fabio to develop along the lines of his brother and now be ready to step in. Buttner was a stop gap signing IMO. But it hasn't happened like that and Fabio hasn't shown much to suggest he'll be ready to make the position his own if we were to hold on to Evra for another year.
Baines would be a good strategic buy, younger and arguably better than Evra right now, and capable of securing the position for 3-4 years.
People are saying its a waste of time or not good value but we will get a few million for Evra, we do need to buy a good LB at some stage and there aren't many with the quality available.
Personally I think it would be a well timed signing.
Baines would be a good strategic buy, younger and arguably better than Evra right now, and capable of securing the position for 3-4 years.
People are saying its a waste of time or not good value but we will get a few million for Evra, we do need to buy a good LB at some stage and there aren't many with the quality available.
Personally I think it would be a well timed signing.
Where are jeston and Olly when you need them?
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How much would Evra go for? 3-5million?
I don't get why some people are worried about money or other transfers, you make it sound as if moyes is a 5 years old retarded boy.
I'm pretty sure he knows what he wants and that he can count, so even overpaying for baines won't stop us from signing other players we need.
I'm pretty sure he knows what he wants and that he can count, so even overpaying for baines won't stop us from signing other players we need.
When actually he's a good deal older than 5.
LOL GLASTON YOU SO FUNNEH
Phil Neville to join the coaching staff and Baines coming in, with surely Fellaini not far behind.
Then Osman up next I reckon.
Then Osman up next I reckon.
Nothing against Baines he is one of the best LBs in the PL, but Evra is a Utd legend and despite dips in form I thought his performances were fantastic last year not even taking into account his sudden goal scoring spree.
I read somewhere that Evra is severely burnt out from consistently playing close to 50 games for us over the past 6, 7 years or so - any truth in this?
I read somewhere that Evra is severely burnt out from consistently playing close to 50 games for us over the past 6, 7 years or so - any truth in this?
And Spurs to mount a serious title challenge If you sell Bale, very likely, and being turned down again by star players like Moutinho, Mata, i guess there is every chance you will be buying the likes of Osman and Pienaar.
Move for Baines only makes sense if we Evra is moving on - by either his desire to leave or ours to replace him with someone younger (for sake of argument equally as good). Having both would make little sense unless there is a plan to rotate them - which makes even less sense.
If Evra wasn't aware that he is going to be moved on, he can't be too happy and that means if he stays we have a player with a bit of doubt in his mind. So we have to now make sure we get Baines which will put Everton in a stronger position to ask for more. Just wish we had made the deal agreed to before it became official we are looking to get him.
If Evra wasn't aware that he is going to be moved on, he can't be too happy and that means if he stays we have a player with a bit of doubt in his mind. So we have to now make sure we get Baines which will put Everton in a stronger position to ask for more. Just wish we had made the deal agreed to before it became official we are looking to get him.
If he's off to Monaco, then how about a swap for that youngster we were linked with recently? Typical lanky French midfielder. What was his name? Unless I'm just making this whole thing up....
It'll be hard to explain why the bestest team ever finishes 20 odd points behind that shower of shit, won't it?
It's not a case of me 'caring a lot' what others think, but the fact is, we do have a tendency to dismiss any other view of our players on here (if they are not favourable). Not only we watch football. If everyone thinks Parker is better than Carrick, except Carrick's mum and dad, for example, it's worth considering that view may be true, as opposed to everyone else being idiots.
Personally, I think Carrick is better than Parker/Barry, but has not always been, or hasn't been consistently better over the years. Hence, I do not see any blatent injustice in the fact that he hasn't played more for his country. There is a debatable injustice, but not a blatent one. There is certainly a view to consider that he simply hasn't been better than these players.
For a small guy, Evra is a bit of a beast in the air... there's something we'll lose.
Personally, I think defensive wise there isn't much between the two. Evra obviously has his shortcomings coming backwards, but I don't think Baines is half as good defensively as some people would have you believe. I think going forward Baines obviously wips in a better ball and as so, creates more chances - but Evra is superior in terms of linking up play, dribbling and... well, everything thats not crossing a ball.
So yeah, personally, I'd rather stick with Evra next season then bring in Baines. But if Evra goes, Baines is as good replacement as you're likely to find.
Personally, I think defensive wise there isn't much between the two. Evra obviously has his shortcomings coming backwards, but I don't think Baines is half as good defensively as some people would have you believe. I think going forward Baines obviously wips in a better ball and as so, creates more chances - but Evra is superior in terms of linking up play, dribbling and... well, everything thats not crossing a ball.
So yeah, personally, I'd rather stick with Evra next season then bring in Baines. But if Evra goes, Baines is as good replacement as you're likely to find.