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La Liga/Serie A/Bundesliga Draft
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I'm ill and bored so I made a list of all Bundesliga picks and tried judging which could be final-worthy. I've only whittled it down from 57 to 25 so far but Edgar comes off fairly well in terms of Bundesliga picks - Lizarazu is certainly final-worthy, and Boeteng and Sagnol wouldn't be in my very top tier for their positions but wouldn't be horribly out of place either.
Balu/Joga came out of the first round well with Hassler and Dunga, and I'm happy with our Klinsmann and Moller picks (less so Ziege and Basler). Your Bundesliga picks are probably the most interesting of the bunch. Yeboah can be eliminated as final worthy, but I don't think Reuter, Bratseth and Thon could as easily be ruled out, although its hard to see them being an asset at that stage due to name-recognition as much as anything.
I'll move the discussion over here. Surely Ballack is a no brainer as one of the Bundesliga players? I'd argue that Ballack, Lizarazu from the Bundesliga, Davids, Nedved, Cafu, Bergomi from Serie A and Alonso from La Liga stand out in their position in a way that makes it difficult to pick someone else. Kahn is probably the standout goalkeeper in the draft. Which means we need a forward, a winger and a centerback with two of them from La Liga and one of them from Bundesliga.
Littbarski, Müller, Häßler stand out as possible wide players from the Bundesliga. It should be between Villa and Eto'o for the striker position and probably Hierro or Puyol next to Bergomi in defense.
Something like:
Eto'o
Littbarski Ballack Nedved
Davids Alonso
Lizarazu Hierro Bergomi Cafu
Kahn
Obviously a lot more players are final worthy, but I don't think it's far off a best possible side.Littbarski Ballack Nedved
Davids Alonso
Lizarazu Hierro Bergomi Cafu
Kahn
I'd have a big preference for Totti over Ballack behind the main striker.
Totti in and Sagnol rightback? I'd use it the other way round, but fair enough. Nedved, Davids and Bergomi are definitely irreplaceable in my opinion. So if you want one of Totti or Kaka as the AM, Cafu has to go.
I had a serious brainfart there and completely forgot about the Serie A numbers, mostly because we've been struggling with having too many La Liga players.
I'll have a think about it, but I'd possibly view Nedved as the most replaceable out of Nedved/Davids/Bergomi/Serie A right back. It would need a formation rejig though.
Any particular reason for choosing those two wingers on those flanks and not the other way round?
Fair point about Nedved, there are some top class options for his role available. It's just Nedved. And surely we can't leave the only 3 Ballon d'Or winners eligible in the draft out of the best possible team for the draft?
Nope, not really. Could use them the other way round.
For me:
Eto'o
Nedved Ballack Muller
Davids Alonso*
Lizarazu Hierro Bergomi Cafu
Kahn
Buli - Kahn, Lizarazu, Ballack, Muller
La Liga - Hierro, Alonso, Eto'o
SeriaA - Davids, Nedved, Bergomi, Cafu
*I think if you replace Hierro with a more of a classic center back you can put Pep in a pivot with Ballack and Davids above him in it would work wonders, for me La Liga's Pep > La Liga's Alonso if you play Pep in his best role. Eto'o is just a personal preference and I think Shevchenko could work there perfectly well too and you can replace Cafu with Alves.
Aye, that would be a weird set of omissions in fairness. Its 4 Ballon d'Or winners actually if we include Weah as well as Shevchenko, Nedved and Kaka
.Here's a quick stab at a 3-5-2. Utterly biased of course as it reflects my current prejudices towards Hierro in midfield and Klinsmann in general, and its not the best formation overall for this pool of players IMO:
---------------------------------Kahn
----------------Bergomi-----Bratseth-------Stam------------------------
Dani Alves------------Hierro----------Davids-------------Lizarazu
-----------------------------Totti/Kaka--------------------------------------
-------------------Eto'o------------------Klinsmann
Serie A: Bergomi, Stam, Davids, Totti/Kaka
La Liga: Dani Alves, Hierro, Eto'o
Bundesliga: Kahn, Klinsmann, Lizarazu
Totally forgot about Weah, so yeah. You left all 4 out, shame on you 
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.Müller will do as a starter in a final here, I reckon. So, if you want Totti in Balu's suggestion, you can swap him (Müller) for Nedved and you're good to go.
ITA: Bergomi, Cafu, Davids, Totti.
SPA: Hierro, Alonso, Eto'o
GER: Kahn, Lizarazu, Littbarski, Müller
That's not too shabby.
ITA: Bergomi, Cafu, Davids, Totti.
SPA: Hierro, Alonso, Eto'o
GER: Kahn, Lizarazu, Littbarski, Müller
That's not too shabby.
Totally forgot about Weah, so yeah. You left all 4 out, shame on you
Well Kaka gets half of a starting position in my team at least
. Aye, I like the look of that.
Mine would be similar but I would replace littbarkski,alonso and hierro with boateng,pep and neymar.
Yes, why not? A more modern flavour (except for Pep).
Pep's always a tricky one, though. But he obviously gets in quality wise, as an individual player. I do think you lose half a notch there, in terms of overall quality: Hierro/Alonso is better than Boateng/Pep for me. And Hierro/Pep doesn't work that well, so it's really either or.
Neymar could certainly replace Littbarski, no issue with that as such, though I'd prefer Littbarski myself. Neymar would boost the goal threat, but you'd lose Littbarski's ability to move about with top level tactical astuteness, also in deeper areas (I'd interpret him in a free role, in that set-up, not as a winger - in fact, you'd get two tactically astute free roamers-slash-wingers in those two Germans on either flank, which looks very tasty to me).
Yeah the only reason I had to do a reshuffle was due to that and havent seen the oldie german defenders who arent blocked so have to go with boateng. With Neymar, I personally think he is a better dribbler than anyone in this draft and with totti in the middle I would prefer to have two wing-forwards in neymar and muller out wide with etoo upfront. Totti-Pep can work very well in the way totti-pirlo worked as well but not a lot between the two teams and that does sound pretty good.
Can you see Ballack more as a CM holding partner rather than AM in this formation and probably reshuffle a bit to acommodate Totti/Kaka?
During his Chelsea days he was playing a lot deeper but if we project his BuLi form wouldn't be a better with that and possibly Neymar on the left instead of Littbarski to fill the La Liga quota?
Neymar's video is exactly 2 minutes longer - I think that based on that we can say with certainty who is the better dribbler out of the two
Yes, that seems like the scientific approach.
YouTube video runtime is hard to argue against. Gold standard and all that.
Yeah Hierro-Pep won't work, why I said in Balu's formation that if we get Pep you need a more of an old fashioned CB
Littbarski - 74 games with West Germany
Neymar - 24 years last month - 69 games with Brazil (46 goals)
Neymar - 24 years last month - 69 games with Brazil (46 goals)
Who should we send our stuff to for the match tomorrow? @Marty1968
@Marty1968 I sent our write up to @Edgar Allan Pillow @Tuppet and @VivaJanuzaj
So whoever is around tomorrow for you to send to can put it up, if they would be so kind I'm fine with the match going up whenever, the earlier the better since I'll be behind the time zone anyway. Good luck!
So whoever is around tomorrow for you to send to can put it up, if they would be so kind
I'm fine with the match going up whenever, the earlier the better since I'll be behind the time zone anyway. Good luck!Cool ok just going to send mine to the same guys. Good luck to you too.@Marty1968 I sent our write up to @Edgar Allan Pillow @Tuppet and @VivaJanuzaj
So whoever is around tomorrow for you to send to can put it up, if they would be so kind
Alright starting the game now.
Marty1968 vs Skizzo/Pat_Mustard is up at - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/la-...ft-qf-marty1968-vs-skizzo-pat_mustard.415889/
Littbarski - 74 games with West Germany
Neymar - 24 years last month - 69 games with Brazil (46 goals)
Ah, yes - numbers. There's nothing so compelling as the sheer number like quality of numbers.
The idea was just to say Neymar is expected to have more than 100 caps soon.
That's good to know, though not that useful a stat in a league form based competition.
That doesn't seem to have anything to do with Pierre Littbarski, but sure, 100 is a fine (round) number too.
Domingos da Guia, The Divine Master, was capped 30 times for Brazil. David Luiz, The Divine Comedy, is currently on 55.
Sure, some comparisons don't make sense given the significant increase of competitions and number of games to be played, not to mention the improvement of "working conditions".
David Luiz is 28 y.o while Neymar is 24 y.o
Many great German players were unlucky with the Mannschaft for diverse reasons: Deisler, Metzelder, Schneider...
The actually shocking thing is that Podolski has 126 caps and is younger than Littbarski was when he retired from the nationalteam .
.I'll stick it over first thing tomorrow.
Quarterfinal Result
- Joga Bonito/Balu vs. Sjor Bepo/anant (12-11)
- Marty1968 vs. Skizzo/Pat_Mustard (12-13)
- Gio vs. VivaJanuzaj/MJJ (14-4)
- Enigma_87/Snow vs. Aldo/The Stain (16-13)
Drafting order:
- Gio
- Enigma_87/Snow
- Joga Bonito/Balu
- Skizzo/Pat_Mustard