I would presume so, we will have to worry about that if and when it happens. I just hope the club stand by him. Until the trial opens we do not know what they told the Zaragoza players regarding the money, I doubt they would have said it was to fix the game. You would have hoped tje players wouldn't want anything to do with that. More likely said it was hiding the money from creditors. They might not have said that even. The Levante players surely are in a worse position as they actually threw the match, along with the Zaragoza heirarchy. As someone mentioned the big problem is if the Zaragoza players told others what was going to happen and bets were put on the result. Then it is how quick the money was taken back out of their accounts. It is a real can of worms. Why do clubs risk doing something this stupid.
La Liga Match-fixing trial
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Not as though we haven't been down that road before, Cantona/Ferdinand. If it happens and the club stand by him, it would just be like being out with a bad injury. It would be more the stick the boy would get when he comes back.
WEll it takes two parties right? One side has to win. So Team A pays players on Team B to lose. That makes the officials and others involved at Team A guilty of being involved in match fixing.
Was the betting involving a line? I remembered reading how math proved teams who still won collected money in order to not cover the spread.
It would be a shame but they need to set an example.
What about 6 weeks of his wages and a shorter ban. It's probably more of a deterrent to add a ban of a mid range length and also fine them.
Surely match-fixing would warrant a bigger punishment than a drug-test?? I mean missing a drug-test or assaulting a fan doesn't really have an outcome on the match.
Even diving has more effect on an outcome of the match.
2 La Liga matches ban, and 5,000 Euro fine for Herrera seems fair.
Not looking good for Ander really
Ok about prison and fine, but how can this court pass the sentence about playing?
Did the club know about this when they signed him? You would have hoped they had done their homework and if yes, they know a lot more about the circumstances than we do.
lol. if found guilty, it will be for a lot more duration.Even diving has more effect on an outcome of the match.
2 La Liga matches ban, and 5,000 Euro fine for Herrera seems fair.
I don't know the Spanish corruption laws but in many EU countries you could face prison time if found guilty for match fixing.
It is more the prison side that is bothering me than if he gets a ban. I would imagine the Levante players would cop the longer bans. We could cope with a shorter end ban. Seeing we are willing to let rapists and drunk drivers back into football.
Probably, but it all depends what the players thought the money was for. If they weren't told that it was for match fixing. If there was no betting on their side it might be easier on them. Crikey if it come down to tax avoidance or something, then why isn't Messi in jail?
This is worrying, herrera seems to be in real trouble.
All seems very scary on the surface, but considering that Herrera is one of 41 and that he was 21/22 when the offense occurred, I doubt he is in any way a ring leader. Also, United will want to protect their asset, which I assume will entail Herrera being lawyered up to his eye balls. Time to bring in the 3 amigos!
Considering what we spent on Herrera, if we had any inclination that he'd get done for this we wouldn't sign him.
We will give him the best lawyers available and flex our financial muscle if needs be.
We will give him the best lawyers available and flex our financial muscle if needs be.
I don't think he will be jailed or even banned, I'm worried about the effect of this on his performance.
Anyone found guilty should be given a five year ban minimum. Proper punishments is the only way to stamp it out at top level.
I guess this means that Liverpool won on Sunday, since the FA will surely overturn the results of all matches he plays in.
Everyone involved should get a long term ban. And a permanent ban plus jail time for the coats behind this. No tolerance for fixers.
I'm sorry but I agree with this. I hope Herrera is not involved in this but if he is then I want to see a proper lengthy punishment given out to him.
Is this why he is not getting as much game time as he should? Because he is not able to fully focus, or we want to ensure that we cope when he is going to be out for a while?
I just don't see how you can find someone (who isn't in charge of decisions or have a massive stake in the club) guilty of match-fixing if they go out and do what they always do, which is to try and win?
This sounds bad. I think we're looking at a Cantona-esque lengthy ban for Ander. Maybe even longer.
The president of Zaragoza is a disgrace. If you want to fix a match, which is disgusting in itself, don't implicate the players of the club you supposedly love. The Levante players who took the money are just as bad. They should have said no. Zaragoza should have just taken relegation on the chin. The president was probably more worried about his own position than the welfare of his players and club.
I don't see why Zaragoza players should be punished more or same as Levante players and Zaragoza President for this. First question will be, how much they knew. For those of you who follow Cricket and know about fixing scams in it, in no instance was whole team was aware of fixing. It is generally few individuals and they took money to 'lose' or do something negative to what they are supposed to do. Here, Levante players took money to lose and Zaragoza president initiated it.
So, the question will be, what did Zaragoza president told players while transferring money and taking it out from them, if at all he told. Maybe few players knew, others didn't. For me, if this is proved, more guilty parties are Zaragoza president, coach (who definitely must have been aware) and Levante players. If some/all Zaragoza players knew that Levante are going to throw away match and they are being 'used' in money transfer, their fault is of not disclosing it to authorities. They themselves haven't 'fixed' the game here.
So, the question will be, what did Zaragoza president told players while transferring money and taking it out from them, if at all he told. Maybe few players knew, others didn't. For me, if this is proved, more guilty parties are Zaragoza president, coach (who definitely must have been aware) and Levante players. If some/all Zaragoza players knew that Levante are going to throw away match and they are being 'used' in money transfer, their fault is of not disclosing it to authorities. They themselves haven't 'fixed' the game here.
It happens, of course it does, but for some reason we tend to think we are above such shenanigans.
How is he supposed to be involved in match fixing ? Don't get it.
Shouldn't the case against Zaragoza players be at best tax avoidance or money laundering of sorts ?
Shouldn't the case against Zaragoza players be at best tax avoidance or money laundering of sorts ?
That's what I was thinking. We will just have to wait and see how this pans out.
From what I've made out, Zaragoza transfered money to their players eg Herrera and the players gave it to Levantes. Herrera is one player mentioned in withdrawing the money given by Zaragoza.
We are hearing all sorts of stuff, not that they gave it directly that they were asked to withdraw the money and gave it back to a coach. Christ knows what has gone on.
When handed the money, if they didn't know it was for match fixing, how can you do them for match fixing? Bizarre to say the least.
I'm pretty sure not every player was handed the money and told what it was for, if they were told, you can be sure a lot of them would have rejected it and reported it.
I'm pretty sure not every player was handed the money and told what it was for, if they were told, you can be sure a lot of them would have rejected it and reported it.
Exactly, it is reported knew all about this pending court case when they signed Ander. I doubt they would have done it if they thought he knew he was fixing matches. It will be one persons word against another. Unless the Levante players say they got the money direct. Then he is right in the shit. The Zaragoza president should never ever have involved the players. No wonder the club ended up in such a mess the way he operates.
Seems obvious that the Z players' defence will be that they thought this money transfer business was done to help out the club (to fool the taxman, so to speak). If that explanation is bought, then I'd guess their punishment will be less severe: They obviously will and should be punished still, but it's a far cry from match fixing.
If my manager asked me to withdraw money he sent to me and pass it to someone else I'd be asking all sorts of questions about it.
Regardless of who he gave it too, he must have been wondering why he was being asked to do it.
He might have asked why, doesn't mean they said it was for match fixing.
Exactly!
I presume there will be a lot of mud slinging and people accusing each other of all sorts. Then it will sorting out who is lying. The only ones for sure we know are guilty are the club president and the Zaragoza players.