La Liga 2017/18

But it's both so what the argument here? You don't deliberately handle the ball in the line to stop a corner being given.

I mean what happens if he handles the ball for the follow up but it falls to Messi? Give him two red cards? What if Paulinho misses the open goal? Does the ref keep a player on the pitch affecting play even though he should be off? Does the ref keep going giving Barça free shots on goal until they score?
It's a red and the ref never plays advantage after a red card incident. Never.
It didn't fall to Messi, it went in. If it falls to Messi and Messi misses he makes the penalty+red call. That's playing an advantage and can be done with red cards. Just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean that it doesn't work that way.
 
How would it be saved if it was going in anyway?
Don't understand couple of you. Like you watch football for the first time. Ball was going into the goal. He stopped it with his hand. Rules say- penalty and red card.
Ref could and should delay decision second or two , ball went into the goal, goal would stand and carvajal would escaped red card.
Simple.
 
But they still have a big pulling power. Unlike Barcelona though they don't have a player they want to sell for silly money.

Agree but not anyway like a few years ago. Look at the team and there's a team full of players that were as you say but the CR7, Kroos, Modric's, Bales signings are a very long time ago and absolutely nothing since. PSG and sadly City are the places players will look to go....
 
Even though it was a fun watch, the level of play is getting worse with every year. El Clasico used to be much better.
 
He didnt? Looked like it wouldve went in to me.. so did he since he was already running off the pitch when the red was shown
No he didn't because the ball went in. If it looked like it wasn't on target and he deliberately stops it with his hand it should be a red card. Point is here that Carvajal put his hand to stop a shot being a goal but he didn't deny the goal, the ball went in.
 
André Gomes, nice first touch andddd..

Still got great hair though
 
That's one extreme case, doesn't invalidate the interpretation of the rule
That's you picking and choosing what you want rather than what the rules are actually like. This is a rare case as well but I've seen a hand go into the way of a shit before, it changes direction but still goes in and the ref awards a goal and not a penalty.
 
Playing with his hands and being punished with that is not cheating. If so, then every foul on the pitch is cheating. Every tackle in penalty box is cheating.
It's deliberately breaking the rules to gain an advantage. That is the very definition of cheating.
 
Messi could have had about 5 assists. Just so much better than everyone else.
He has mastered the art of the delayed pass. He always waits exactly long enough for the defense to think the pass is not coming. Once they atack him, it's over.
 
A Champions League without Real Madrid is a distinct possibility next year
 
No he didn't because the ball went in. If it looked like it wasn't on target and he deliberately stops it with his hand it should be a red card. Point is here that Carvajal put his hand to stop a shot being a goal but he didn't deny the goal, the ball went in.
Oh, it did? Why not just give a goal then, silly ref.
 
Deserved and a perfect away performance from Barca. Took the sting out of the game when needed then converted their chances.