La Liga 2016/17

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carlosp said:
Not a Real Madrid supporter either. :p

Just Barcelona get so much penalties throughout the years and some undeserved so.

I've seen Real get some but nothing like as bad as Barcelona getting them.
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Don't think you've been watching much of Madrid this season? :lol:
 
Ishdalar said:
Right now we have 5 defenders for the next season, and of those 5 Mascherano is one and the other two are Left Backs, even if we somehow manage to fix our midfield with someone to put alongside Verrati and another decent sub + Iniesta, we're going to be really frail in defense.
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Well you have Digne and Alba on the left, Piqué, Umtiti, Mascherano and Mathieu in the middle and Sergi Roberto and Vidal on the right. Is Mathieu leaving? If so, I agree you'll need another CB too but I don't see how you have only 5 players in defense.

Ishdalar said:
For the money we're going to spend, I'd like us to return to our low profile signings as they usually work really good (guys like Yaya, Marquez, Giuly, Keita, Rakitic or Adriano for example), with that idea we could really improve the squad for 120/150M tops. Knowing this board we probably face a 150M+ summer, 30+ in a RB, 60+ In a midfielder might be the start, and then it depends on how the sales go, we could spend 100M just in Verratti and Bellerin because who needs to know anymore players beyond top level, right? Not like scouting is really a thing these days in Barcelona
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You'll surely know better than me, but to me it seems to me like you already have good enough squad options and are just missing two quality starters. Get Verratti and Bellerin and you'll have a second team of Cillessen, Sergi Roberto, Mascherano, new CB/Mathieu, Digne, Gomes, Rakitic, Arda, Denis Suarez, Rafinha, Alcacer. It's not ideal (certainly not on pair with Madrid's) and if you could make some deals to improve it you should, but I think it's more than good enough to rest your starters from time to time. I don't see this need to completely revolutionize the entire squad like many Barça fans seem to want.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I don't know if you ever met MarcosDeto, Messi's half brother in this forum. To the best of my knowledge, his post in the last page is the first for over an year :D
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Yeah he rings a bell, been reading the caf since 2007 I think.

But still, 12 years ago it would be us coming here to cry at what happened in a Real Madrid game when we just won the league, I'm not ashamed to say that Barcelona and their supporters had an inferiority complex for most of what I can remember, and it still perdures in many people. But Madridistas wouldn't get that salty if they won the league, they'd say something like "good effort Barcelona, you could get 40 penalties today and it still wouldn't matter".

Seriously, that superiority had me sick to my stomach, it was like you'd never be able to get under their skin, fortunately they've become more like us embracing pettiness :lol:
 
Peyroteo said:
Well you have Digne and Alba on the left, Piqué, Umtiti, Mascherano and Mathieu in the middle and Sergi Roberto and Vidal on the right. Is Mathieu leaving? If so, I agree you'll need another CB too but I don't see how you have only 5 players in defense.



You'll surely know better than me, but to me it seems to me like you already have good enough squad options and are just missing two quality starters. Get Verratti and Bellerin and you'll have a second team of Cillessen, Sergi Roberto, Mascherano, new CB/Mathieu, Digne, Gomes, Rakitic, Arda, Denis Suarez, Rafinha, Alcacer. It's not ideal (certainly not on pair with Madrid's) and if you could make some deals to improve it you should, but I think it's more than good enough to rest your starters from time to time. I don't see this need to completely revolutionize the entire squad like many Barça fans seem to want.
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From all those defenders

Mathieu should leave, and even if he doesn't leave, I'd rather he doesn't get a single minute, he has been awful
Mascherano shouldn't be even our 3rd CB, he gets away with his frequent penalty and has a great role in the team, but we can't visit the Bernabeu or Allianz Arena with him covering for Umtiti/Pique, we need someone better, even 2 CB's and Masche covering the RB, DM and CB roles to get the minutes he deserves, more by his legacy than his skills
Sergi Roberto and Aleix are not defenders, we could manage having them at the RB if we had a more defensive player on the left, but going with Alba/Digne and Aleix/Roberto every game is suicidal in CL away legs or when the team has a hard time

We do have some players than can be useful next season to fill our squad, but there's things to consider with them too.

Gomes will demand a lot of minutes, and the board wants him to play because he was expensive, I'd rather loan him out or get rid of him as if he can't be a starter he'll be a nuisance
Arda has to go, he might be a great player in Ney's role but is evident he doesn't want to sweat for this team, can't indulge that if we're not talking of a game changer.
Denis Suarez and Rafinha should be our choices to keep next year, but if we get 2 CM, Iniesta and Neymar that leave those guys fighting for a 3rd string spot, it's already bad for Dennis but Rafinha wants minutes in order to have a chance at the World Cup with Brazil, we can't give him that

We basically have a lot of the downsides Madrid are facing (key players wanting minutes, lack of opportunities) but without any of their upsides. We're not facing doom, but we need a better cast around our forwards or we would be basically throwing a lot of millions on 3 guys that are top level but can't win 3 titles playing 7vs11 every week
 
Ishdalar said:
We're not yet there, there's another team that historically beats us to it, but if we keep this pace...
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You had zero penalty calls against you the whole season. Zero!! And me being a Madrid fan I'll just look at the two classico's and penalties that were not called (both early in the game at 0:0).

First classico of the season no call



Second classico of the season no call


I don't even want to think what happened in games against smaller teams! :lol:


Yesterday you got two penalties for two dives and then the game before Digne didn't get a red card for that challenge, again at 0:0 early in the game. I mean, any Barca game you pick this season there's minimum one dubious call in your favor. Refs kept you in the game until the last moment and we both know it.



As for CL, Madrid is the victim of awful referee calls this season and here's a stat that really stands out:

Atletico 5 in favor, 1 against
Bayern 5 in favor, 3 against
Barca 4 in favor, 1 against
Real 0 IN FAVOR, 6 AGAINST

You just can't make this shit up! :lol:
 
Congrats again to Real Madrid @Vato, i'm being genuine, best team wins the league and you deserve it. Jordi Alba, that dive yesterday was pathetic and shameful. I was embarrassed while watching it.
 
gaucho_10 said:
You had zero penalty calls against you the whole season. Zero!! And me being a Madrid fan I'll just look at the two classico's and penalties that were not called (both early in the game at 0:0).

First classico of the season no call



Second classico of the season no call


I don't even want to think what happened in games against smaller teams! :lol:


Yesterday you got two penalties for two dives and then the game before Digne didn't get a red card for that challenge, again at 0:0 early in the game. I mean, any Barca game you pick this season there's minimum one dubious call in your favor. Refs kept you in the game until the last moment and we both know it.



As for CL, Madrid is the victim of awful referee calls this season and here's a stat that really stands out:

Atletico 5 in favor, 1 against
Bayern 5 in favor, 3 against
Barca 4 in favor, 1 against
Real 0 IN FAVOR, 6 AGAINST

You just can't make this shit up! :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Say whatever you want about any other team but Real Madrid is never the victim of awful ref calls through a season. Villareal and Las Palmas would certainly agree.
 
The shitfight about refereeing is the reason i stopped posting in this thread and only posted in this thread today to congratulate Real Madrid for winning La Liga. This thread feels like it has 12 year old people posting in it.
 
wr8_utd said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Say whatever you want about any other team but Real Madrid is never the victim of awful ref calls through a season. Villareal and Las Palmas would certainly agree.
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When you use Las Palmas as argument in your favor just a week after you were left in the title race in a game against them only because Digne didn't get a red card for that foul, then nothing else needs to be said. Thanks for making my case.
 
gaucho_10 said:
When you use Las Palmas as argument in your favor just a week after CRF5347124 were left in the title race in a game against them only because Digne didn't get a red card for that foul, then nothing else needs to be said. Thanks for making my case.
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I'm not a Barcelona fan, I just can't stand Madrid. People keep talking about Barca getting decisions in the CL but the decisions Madrid have gotten this year in both the CL and Liga are hilarious.
 
Not when you went to Malaga with the chance to go top after the pateticos held us to a draw, and they clowned you? :lol::drool:
 
A goal difference of +79 and they still didn't win the league. Fecking hell they must have given a few teams a good spanking.
 
Set a club record for most goals in a league season with 116. This has been a truly bizarre season for them
 
Barcelona are properly fecked. It'll be at least 3 years until they get back to some sort of level. RM have a fantastically balanced squad with a defence that Barcelona would kill for. Barcelona need serious investment in defence and midfield. This is the start of a RM dominance that is going to last a few years now. Barcelona have their first identity crisis since the arrival of Pep almost 10 years ago.
 
Barça's midfield and defense lost them the league. MSN tried to do what they did but if the players being behind them aren't doing their jobs then they can't make much of a difference.

A RB and 2 CMs for the first team are ample. Roberto's defending down the right flank and Gomes, Iniesta or Rakitic looking hapless in the middle is very amusing against cannon fodder.

Real look very strong this season. Both in offense & defense. Zidane sets his teams to defend really well. And this season they are playing cantera or young players more. Isco, Asensio, Morata, Lucas Vasquez, Casemiro were impressive. They rely less on BBC which was a refreshing scene
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
The shitfight about refereeing is the reason i stopped posting in this thread and only posted in this thread today to congratulate Real Madrid for winning La Liga. This thread feels like it has 12 year old people posting in it.
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Agreed, all this talk about decisions is really getting embarrassing.
 
Vato said:
Agreed, all this talk about decisions is really getting embarrassing.
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I can't speak for this specific thread before 2014 but to me it feels like the refereeing complaining on both sides went to another level this season.
 
It was only right that RM scored an offsidey in their championship game.
 
gaucho_10 said:
You had zero penalty calls against you the whole season. Zero!! And me being a Madrid fan I'll just look at the two classico's and penalties that were not called (both early in the game at 0:0).

First classico of the season no call



Second classico of the season no call


I don't even want to think what happened in games against smaller teams! :lol:


Yesterday you got two penalties for two dives and then the game before Digne didn't get a red card for that challenge, again at 0:0 early in the game. I mean, any Barca game you pick this season there's minimum one dubious call in your favor. Refs kept you in the game until the last moment and we both know it.



As for CL, Madrid is the victim of awful referee calls this season and here's a stat that really stands out:

Atletico 5 in favor, 1 against
Bayern 5 in favor, 3 against
Barca 4 in favor, 1 against
Real 0 IN FAVOR, 6 AGAINST

You just can't make this shit up! :lol:
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My god you must have soft skin, what I said

Ishdalar said:
We're not yet there, there's another team that historically beats us to it, but if we keep this pace...
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I can't really be much accurate than that


We have this Marca article from December 2015

http://www.marca.com/2015/12/06/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1449416121.html

Real Madrid 487, Barcelona 460.

And then this one from October 2016 when Real were the first team in La Liga's history to break the 500 PK mark

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbo...682/500-penaltis-a-favor-del-real-madrid.html

Real Madrid 501 Barcelona 475. We would need at least 5 more seasons getting a lot more penalties than you to tally that score, I don't get how you can say "no team in the history of football gets as much penalties as Barça" when you cheer for the team with most penalties called for in the history of football. That comment is a bit hypocritical and everyone would think the same of me if I said that to an Atletico fan who are third in the penalty ranking.


The saddest part is, we get 2 penalties with the league already lost and the media gets to spin the circle of how we get so many penalties, same thing with the red cards when we get a guy ejected against us in the 87th minute with a 2 goal lead. I'll gladly take those two penalties from us if you give us the 2 points we were robbed of against Betis, or another couple of calls that costed us points.

And I don't doubt that my team gets more advantage from ref errors than the other 99% of teams in any Spanish league, but Real Madrid are the other 1%, If I'm to be called a thief I can live with that, but I won't accept being called one by another thief who thinks he's Robin Hood. I may shout and moan during the 90' of a game, but end of the day when I get into bed I know my team usually gets it right more than wrong.

Now tell me, are you like this.

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Or more like this

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Or you are one of those people who don't marry with an opinion and could be in both photos? Do you just spew hate just to spite others? Because I think my statement was objectively correct
 
giorno said:
Set a club record for most goals in a league season with 116. This has been a truly bizarre season for them
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Cruyff would be proud of our "let's win just outscoring the other team" philosophy, and mad at the same time that we bottled that in a couple matches that ended up costing us the league, specially failing to score more than one goal vs Deportivo and Betis, that's a big screw up.

Edit: Also, you basically won the league with the 2 goal comeback vs Las Palmas while being 1 man down, that was a great throwback to the last Capello league.
 
Ishdalar said:
Cruyff would be proud of our "let's win just outscoring the other team" philosophy, and mad at the same time that we bottled that in a couple matches that ended up costing us the league, specially failing to score more than one goal vs Deportivo and Betis, that's a big screw up
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If Barcelona don't sort themselves out defensively the same will happen next season, because Real can score for fun as well. Your midfield needs upgrading as well. You have never replaced Xavi unfortunately. Gomes, Turan and Rakitic have not been anywhere near good enough for a team of Barcelona's stature.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If Barcelona don't sort themselves out defensively the same will happen next season, because Real can score for fun as well. Your midfield needs upgrading as well. You have never replaced Xavi unfortunately. Gomes, Turan and Rakitic have not been anywhere near good enough for a team of Barcelona's stature.
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We may never find a replacement for Xavi, same way we wasted a lot of Xavi's younger years trying to make him play as Guardiola's heir.

We do need a midfielder able to take control of this team, Messi has been doing that for a couple of seasons, but is time we decide if we want him permanently on that role or we get a competent guy, Rakitic already serves as a great wingman.

Defense is in shambles, for years we were known for having great fullbacks and awful cb's, now we have a pair of cb's to build around for at least 5 more years, but we lack depth in the RB and let's see how Alba plays, I don't really like his last seasons, he's ok but he has become stagnant, Carvajal is a better example of how a player can improve every year. He's still a valid player, but when guys like Alex Sandro, Marcelo and a couple others start filling the top teams one can look at Alba and think that suddenly we fell behind in that position
 
Congratulations RM fans, well deserved.

As for Barca, a strange season. If compared to the previous teams, Xavi is the prime absentee; his passing was key to Barca's game and there has been no one who has been able to replicate his control. The front three have been brilliant which is why the superior GD but without a proper base and a leaky defence - there were bound to be problems.
 
No trophy presentation until next season. Same thing happened when Atletico won it three years ago. Very bizarre - weird how it only seems to happen when Barca don't win the league.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
No trophy presentation until next season. Same thing happened when Atletico won it three years ago. Very bizarre - weird how it only seems to happen when Barca don't win the league.
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Barcelona won La Liga in the 2015-16 season yet the trophy presentation took place ahead of the first game of the 2016-17 season at home vs Real Betis.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Thanks, I stand corrected. This whole practice is really bizarre IMO.
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La Liga's management is laughably bad. I wouldn't trust Villar and Gaspart with running a food stall in street market, never mind a football federation of one of the worlds leading football nations.
 
wr8_utd said:
I'm not a Barcelona fan, I just can't stand Madrid. People keep talking about Barca getting decisions in the CL but the decisions Madrid have gotten this year in both the CL and Liga are hilarious.
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Basically the same thing if you're discussing this. Since you can't stand Madrid you prefer Barcelona so you're biased in their favor in your arguments.
 
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