La Liga 2016/17

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Before this Real, I think the last time a team was clearly the best team in Europe was 2011.
 
Maciek said:
Yeah, I've heard this one.

It's still amazing that they're regarded as one of the best clubs in the world while they can't even become the best team in Spain so often. (Obviously, they are one of the greatests, but still, you get my point).

That's what I don't like - when the Champions League winners can't win the league. I keep my fingers crossed for Juve, but I still expect Real to win in Europe.
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They're obsessed with the European cup that's my judgement. If they win it this year that will be 5 since 2000. Nearly as many as they have won league titles. Pretty crazy really.
 
This is far too close for comfort, and this feckers are playing the game of their lives

How i envy juventus. Against weaker team, they score and the game is over. We need to learn how to defend :(
 
el3mel said:
Taking one game only to express your opinion on him in total is not convincing. Even the best managers ever do mistakes in some big games. No manager with no mistakes you must understand this.

Judge the manager on the whole season : A CL final and a league win. Last season people were complaining he got easy run to the CL, this season he got Naopli, Bayern and Atletico, and won the league for the first time since Jose's second season with them.

He used Madrid bench players to the max and used all his squad players in the best way possible.
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What has he done that isn't in the ABC of football? He played always the same starting 11 in important matches unless there were injuries, the subs got a lot of garbage time vs lesser teams and it took having Bale out for weeks to give Isco a fair chance at getting 60+ minutes per game, if Zidane managed to keep Bale healthy, on edge, while getting Isco to perform at this level with them sharing minutes then I'd be impressed

Real Madrid's bench would almost be a league contender on their own with guys like Isco, James, Morata, Asensio or Varane. It's like the Warriors in the NBA, a team so good that "managing" them is a joy, but you can't keep a core that loaded for more than 2/3 years.

To compare ZZ with SAF we have to wait until he actually has to show what he's made of, not throw 70M players into the starting 11 when a 100M guy gets injured, that's what made Ferguson a legend and the same thing that's eating away Pep and Mou reputation as invincible managers.

Zidane's job at Real reminds me of the first season Luis Enrique won the treble, winning with an overwhelming amount of world class players is still winning, but beyond that, it doesn't really feel like the managers are doing something special. Not enough to compare them with the man himself
 
Ishdalar said:
What has he done that isn't in the ABC of football? He played always the same starting 11 in important matches unless there were injuries, the subs got a lot of garbage time vs lesser teams and it took having Bale out for weeks to give Isco a fair chance at getting 60+ minutes per game, if Zidane managed to keep Bale healthy, on edge, while getting Isco to perform at this level with them sharing minutes then I'd be impressed

Real Madrid's bench would almost be a league contender on their own with guys like Isco, James, Morata, Asensio or Varane. It's like the Warriors in the NBA, a team so good that "managing" them is a joy, but you can't keep a core that loaded for more than 2/3 years.

To compare ZZ with SAF we have to wait until he actually has to show what he's made of, not throw 70M players into the starting 11 when a 100M guy gets injured, that's what made Ferguson a legend and the same thing that's eating away Pep and Mou reputation as invincible managers.

Zidane's job at Real reminds me of the first season Luis Enrique won the treble, winning with an overwhelming amount of world class players is still winning, but beyond that, it doesn't really feel like the managers are doing something special. Not enough to compare them with the man himself
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I agree. Somehow I really can't take the Barca and Madrid managers doing well too seriously till they actually do it in a league where their team isn't just so much better than everyone else. Luis Enrique has MSN, Madrid have an unbelievable squad so it's not really that difficult to win with these guys imo. True test of these managers would be once they move elsewhere and prove themselves.
 
giorno said:
This is far too close for comfort, and this feckers are playing the game of their lives

How i envy juventus. Against weaker team, they score and the game is over. We need to learn how to defend :(
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Don't worry, all culés will claim they've let us win anyway.
 
Ishdalar said:
What has he done that isn't in the ABC of football? He played always the same starting 11 in important matches unless there were injuries, the subs got a lot of garbage time vs lesser teams and it took having Bale out for weeks to give Isco a fair chance at getting 60+ minutes per game, if Zidane managed to keep Bale healthy, on edge, while getting Isco to perform at this level with them sharing minutes then I'd be impressed
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If that's true the bench players wouldn't have been in a great form as they are now. If he's overusing the starters the bench players would have been dead on form already, but Madrid reached a point when Zidane could play some bench players against Seville and still win easily. This a manager's job.

Ishdalar said:
Real Madrid's bench would almost be a league contender on their own with guys like Isco, James, Morata, Asensio or Varane. It's like the Warriors in the NBA, a team so good that "managing" them is a joy, but you can't keep a core that loaded for more than 2/3 years.
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True they have the best depth in their squad in the world, but without a manager successful in using this depth to the max it's of no use. Don't like the idea of downplaying of manager's role in a team success tbh. If the manager's to take the blame for a failure, he must take credit for the success, if you want to be fair.

Ishdalar said:
To compare ZZ with SAF we have to wait until he actually has to show what he's made of, not throw 70M players into the starting 11 when a 100M guy gets injured, that's what made Ferguson a legend and the same thing that's eating away Pep and Mou reputation as invincible managers.

Zidane's job at Real reminds me of the first season Luis Enrique won the treble, winning with an overwhelming amount of world class players is still winning, but beyond that, it doesn't really feel like the managers are doing something special. Not enough to compare them with the man himself
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Didn't compare him to SAF directly, that's madness to do. My point was SAF was a masterclass in using his squad depth to the max. His rotation was beyond perfect, the best I have ever seen that kept United in the important competitions till last day, that made United the most successful in boxing day in the most congested period of the season while the other clubs were losing points. Since his retirement, I didn't really saw any manager that can use his squad depth to the max as Zidane. If the whole squad is ready to play and fight and all in the form, that's a manager job. He's sure lucky to have such a squad depth any team will dream of, but you need a clever enough manager to use all of these great players together.

Enrique took the credit for the 2015 incredible year just as much as he took the blame this season. Zidane and any manager should be judged based on this. Zidane currently deserve all the credit. One or 2 bad games won't change a perfect season. When he passes through a meltdown as Enrique, we can blame him as we want.
 
Hojoon said:
2015 Barca too. The moment MSN clicked on January they were basically unstoppable.
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Yeah, I don't know why I don't feel that was such a great team. Maybe because they played with a style so drastically removed from the one I was used to from Barca? Accomplishments speak for themselves, of course.
 
wr8_utd said:
I agree. Somehow I really can't take the Barca and Madrid managers doing well too seriously till they actually do it in a league where their team isn't just so much better than everyone else. Luis Enrique has MSN, Madrid have an unbelievable squad so it's not really that difficult to win with these guys imo. True test of these managers would be once they move elsewhere and prove themselves.
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With Luis Enrique is easier, we can look at Roma or Celta, didn't do that well in Italy, and Berizzo improved him in his first season at Celta.

Zidane, the only thing we know is that Castilla wasn't too hot under him, once he was promoted they went from getting 8 of 18 points, to win 7 in a row with his successor.

Hardest part about training both teams has to be coping with the pressure and not runing player's mood, but Ferguson was a master at that, and then he was also top notch at every other skill. At international level Zidane could achieve something similar to Del Bosque managing the French dressing room, but that usually requires solid foundations in the team, I don't know if a squad that young would allow him to win titles just letting them play as they want
 
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