Kylian Mbappe | Signs new PSG contract until 2025, La Liga says they intend to file a complaint

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B20 said:
They don't live in the same reality. They genuinely believe they can just throw more money at anything and it will be resolved.
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Honestly, from their perspective i get it. If they actually don't need the money, they're better off keeping him. This is their best shot at the CL. If they win it, the choice is vindicated, but even if not, they still get at least 4 more months to try and change his mind, plus - with the team they have, what are the chances of improving after losing Mbappé, even with €180M to spend?
ThatsGreat said:
No, they're still in the French league where there's very little competition. City have at least 4 clubs close to or greater than their level and will continue to have them. PSG have no challengers in the domestic league over a sustained period of time.
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4??? Who's the 4th? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
If PSG doesn’t win the CL and he goes on a free then surely he’s the biggest transfer flop of all time?
 
cyberman said:
If PSG doesn’t win the CL and he goes on a free then surely he’s the biggest transfer flop of all time?
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Nah. He's been a monster for them. Coutinho, Hazard, Sheva, Dembele, Griezmann all significantly worse. Cristiano to juventus, too

And if he leaves on a free it was because PSG choose to. They could have recouped the entire transfer fee and made a colossal profit otherwise
 
RoyH1 said:
Yeah but the wage bill is still astronomical. They basically have 2 XI's. No other big club in Europe does that. Bayern, Madrid and even us have to sometime put some home grown youngsters to fill in the squad .
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I think they'll moving in that direction anyway. At least one of Laporte/Ake will leave next summer and it's the same for Bernardo/Sterling/Mahrez/Jesus. Well, two players of those could go with the World Cup next season etc.
 
svn said:
I'm not sure you're using that word correctly.
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He was bought as a superstar to win the CL and, if they don’t, he will have cost them 180m euro. How is that not a failure and a flop?
Mbappe may have scored goals but that wasn’t the end game.
It’s a mind boggling loss.
 
giorno said:
Nah. He's been a monster for them. Coutinho, Hazard, Sheva, Dembele, Griezmann all significantly worse. Cristiano to juventus, too

And if he leaves on a free it was because PSG choose to. They could have recouped the entire transfer fee and made a colossal profit otherwise
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Oh I’m not dismissing PSG here. It’s their fault this is a catastrophe but it’s still a footballing disaster
 
cyberman said:
He was bought as a superstar to win the CL and, if they don’t, he will have cost them 180m euro. How is that not a failure and a flop?
Mbappe may have scored goals but that wasn’t the end game.
It’s a mind boggling loss.
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€300m total incl wages over 5 years. But again, A) he's been amazing for them and B) they rejected an offer that would have reduced said total cost to about €135M, with a profit on sale of €110M - basically 4 years of a top 5, top 10 player in the world for a total of €25M

Call it a failure maybe, but a flop, it was not. Certainly nowhere near the biggest flop of all time
 
giorno said:
€300m total incl wages over 5 years. But again, A) he's been amazing for them and B) they rejected an offer that would have reduced said total cost to about €135M, with a profit on sale of €110M - basically 4 years of a top 5, top 10 player in the world for a total of €25M

Call it a failure maybe, but a flop, it was not. Certainly nowhere near the biggest flop of all time
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300m and the result is winning 1 less league title than they should have won is eye watering.
This just popped in my head listening to fans call Ronaldo a flop at Juve despite scoring 101 goals in 120 odd games or something stupid. Mbappe transfer is that but on steroids.
 
cyberman said:
If PSG doesn’t win the CL and he goes on a free then surely he’s the biggest transfer flop of all time?
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Nah, his individual performances have been very good. Not his fault that PSG doesn't have the necessary competitive nature in order to win the CL.
 
cyberman said:
300m and the result is winning 1 less league title than they should have won is eye watering.
This just popped in my head listening to fans call Ronaldo a flop at Juve despite scoring 101 goals in 120 odd games or something stupid. Mbappe transfer is that but on steroids.
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Nope. Cristiano was more expensive, and they ended up selling at a loss. He was also an established player who was supposed to win them the CL, instead they went backwards. PSG did reach a CL final with Mbappé
 
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cyberman said:
He was bought as a superstar to win the CL and, if they don’t, he will have cost them 180m euro. How is that not a failure and a flop?
Mbappe may have scored goals but that wasn’t the end game.
It’s a mind boggling loss.
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I agree with most of that, but that doesn't make him a flop.
 
giorno said:
Not really. Cristiano was actually more expensive, and they ended up selling at a loss. He was also an established player who was supposed to win them the CL, instead they went backwards. PSG did reach a CL final with Mbappé
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Yeah but PSG didn’t win a CL? Both failed to win and both lost out on the league title last year despite their best efforts. At least Juve lost out to Inter. If PSG did get rid ala Juve then both would be leaving this summer on eerily similar terms.
I’m sure both clubs got a bump in image rights etc after the signings so we will never know the number but 180m to leave in a free is something I just can’t get my head around especially when they never achieved what they set out to with the transfer.
 
cyberman said:
He was bought as a superstar to win the CL and, if they don’t, he will have cost them 180m euro. How is that not a failure and a flop?
Mbappe may have scored goals but that wasn’t the end game.
It’s a mind boggling loss.
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He performed pretty well in the last CL. Can't carry the team on his own. CL is not easy to win at all, as many top teams have shown over the years (well, except RM).

Besides, if he's a flop, Neymar would be considered an even bigger flop.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah but PSG didn’t win a CL? Both failed to win and both lost out on the league title last year despite their best efforts. At least Juve lost out to Inter. If PSG did get rid ala Juve then both would be leaving this summer on eerily similar terms.
I’m sure both clubs got a bump in image rights etc after the signings so we will never know the number but 180m to leave in a free is something I just can’t get my head around especially when they never achieved what they set out to with the transfer.
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If PSG gets rid this summer they recoup almost the entire investment. It is their choice to lose on a free. Juventus were forced to lose money on cristiano. Who was more expensive, carried bigger expectations, and performed worse in CL

But, anyways, sure, you could call this a failure if you want. It's still nowhere near Shevchenko to Chelsea, or Coutinho to Barcelona, or :( Kaka to Madrid
 
cyberman said:
He was bought as a superstar to win the CL and, if they don’t, he will have cost them 180m euro. How is that not a failure and a flop?
Mbappe may have scored goals but that wasn’t the end game.
It’s a mind boggling loss.
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What are you guys talking about, Mbappe wasn't a superstar when PSG bought him in 2017. He was a ultra high potential for sure but only had 5 good professional months under his belt. It's not what a superstar is, and you don't buy a single player to "win the CL", that's not how it works.
 
You can't call someone who has been incredible for the entirety of their time at a club a flop, regardless of the wider success of the team he's on.
 
giorno said:
Honestly, from their perspective i get it. If they actually don't need the money, they're better off keeping him. This is their best shot at the CL. If they win it, the choice is vindicated, but even if not, they still get at least 4 more months to try and change his mind, plus - with the team they have, what are the chances of improving after losing Mbappé, even with €180M to spend?

4??? Who's the 4th? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Spurs? They just beat them last week. And I think even Leicester can give them a fight. I'm talking only head to head. There are at least 10 matches every year for City, where the result isn't a foregone conclusion
 
cyberman said:
300m and the result is winning 1 less league title than they should have won is eye watering.
This just popped in my head listening to fans call Ronaldo a flop at Juve despite scoring 101 goals in 120 odd games or something stupid. Mbappe transfer is that but on steroids.
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That's nonsense for so many reasons but I'll just list a couple that will right away show why it's not a valid comparison in the least. First of all, I think it's harsh to consider the CR7 transfer a flop, but at least I can understand why.

1) PSG didn't buy a superstar like you said, they bought potential. Mbappe was only one year into his professional career at Monaco when PSG shelled out 180m for him, he was not even a world cup winner then. Here we are less than a year from his free agency and there's a team offering 180m for him, that's really far from a flop my man.

2) If Ronaldo was a flop at Juve (again, harsh) then it's because he was bought as one of the top 2 best players in the world and got knocked out by Lyon, managed to be part of a rare Juve squad that lost Serie A, and (most importantly and a big distinction between the two) Juve never got as far in the competition as they did without him, all of this with having the entire team built around getting the best out of him.

So, no, the Mbappe transfer is so far from a flop, and even less so from one on steroids, I don't think you really understand what the term means.
 
ThatsGreat said:
Spurs? They just beat them last week. And I think even Leicester can give them a fight. I'm talking only head to head. There are at least 10 matches every year for City, where the result isn't a foregone conclusion
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Spurs? Since 17/18 the closest they got to 1st was 23 points....

City points total since 17/18: 100, 98, 81(2nd), 86(covid season)

10 matches? City at home to leicester/spurs isn't a foregone conclusion since when? Spurs managed 1 draw in the last 4 seasons there...

8 matches, maybe. Even at the peak of barcelona/real madrid you had a similar number of games that weren't foregone conclusions in Spain...
 
Sayros said:
That's nonsense for so many reasons but I'll just list a couple that will right away show why it's not a valid comparison in the least. First of all, I think it's harsh to consider the CR7 transfer a flop, but at least I can understand why.

1) PSG didn't buy a superstar like you said, they bought potential. Mbappe was only one year into his professional career at Monaco when PSG shelled out 180m for him, he was not even a world cup winner then. Here we are less than a year from his free agency and there's a team offering 180m for him, that's really far from a flop my man.

2) If Ronaldo was a flop at Juve (again, harsh) then it's because he was bought as one of the top 2 best players in the world and got knocked out by Lyon, managed to be part of a rare Juve squad that lost Serie A, and (most importantly and a big distinction between the two) Juve never got as far in the competition as they did without him, all of this with having the entire team built around getting the best out of him.

So, no, the Mbappe transfer is so far from a flop, and even less so from one on steroids, I don't think you really understand what the term means.
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Buys a player for 180m to join Neymar in challenging for the CL, fails to win the CL and he goes off on a free to a major CL rival saddling them with a 300m loss after losing out on the league title to Lille.
Success all round I say.
 
cyberman said:
Buys a player for 180m to join Neymar in challenging for the CL, fails to win the CL and he goes off on a free to a major CL rival saddling them with a 300m loss after losing out on the league title to Lille.
Success all round I say.
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Labelling a player who's scored 94 goals in 111 games a "flop" is a bold statement.
 
RedRover said:
Labelling a player who's scored 94 goals in 111 games a "flop" is a bold statement.
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It’s a flop of a transfer, it’s hardly a success? I’d argue the domestic goal record isnt that important to the overall premise of the move.
If he was brought in to bully French football then fair enough, well worth the 300m.
 
cyberman said:
Buys a player for 180m to join Neymar in challenging for the CL, fails to win the CL and he goes off on a free to a major CL rival saddling them with a 300m loss after losing out on the league title to Lille.
Success all round I say.
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The sheikh is worth like 500 billion dollars or something like that. 300M is probably what he uses on his interior decoration in his private jet.

Also, the bigger letdown is Neymar. The guy is never fit at the business end and he has failed to step out of Messi’s shadow, instead recruiting him to PSG. Mbappe has been carrying the attack by himself mostly the last 2 seasons.
 
cyberman said:
Buys a player for 180m to join Neymar in challenging for the CL, fails to win the CL and he goes off on a free to a major CL rival saddling them with a 300m loss after losing out on the league title to Lille.
Success all round I say.
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You've already said that and I've explained why you're wrong. Got anything else?
 
cyberman said:
It’s a flop of a transfer, it’s hardly a success? I’d argue the domestic goal record isnt that important to the overall premise of the move.
If he was brought in to bully French football then fair enough, well worth the 300m.
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Sorry - I don't get it. the "overall premise of the move" is nothing to do with the player.

He was brought in to score goals, and he has - including against the best in Europe in the CL. He was a kid when they signed him so hardly the final piece of the puzzle, and whatever the club may have got wrong in their pursuit of the CL, you certainly can't blame him. Do you think one player will win you the toughest club competition going on his own? Bizarre.

And you could well argue that the club have actually done very well out of him. Commercially, there's no doubt he's increased the profile of the club. And they're choosing to let him go for free rather than recoup a significant amount of what they've spent.

You might question why you'd let an asset go for free, but that's not the same as it being a poor transfer in eth first place. The fact that a club are willing to pay £180 million for a player with a year left on his contract tells you what he offers.
 
man that is a lot of money they will be losing if he goes for free next season. Messi isnt exactly a spring chicken either so would think if they are going to lose mbappe might as well get a crapton of money to invest to lessen the blow
 
I think Psg would have sold him if they good get a big name as his replacement. The idea of Messi Mbappe Neymar in the same team seemed bigger than the money Madrid offered
 
giorno said:
Spurs? Since 17/18 the closest they got to 1st was 23 points....

City points total since 17/18: 100, 98, 81(2nd), 86(covid season)

10 matches? City at home to leicester/spurs isn't a foregone conclusion since when? Spurs managed 1 draw in the last 4 seasons there...

8 matches, maybe. Even at the peak of barcelona/real madrid you had a similar number of games that weren't foregone conclusions in Spain...
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I'm comparing PSG to City, there's more competition in Spain agreed.
 
VanDeBank said:
So which is crazier: Real Madrid offering 180m or PSG not letting him go?
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Definitely Madrid. It’s a drop in the ocean for PSG but it’s a massive price tag for Real. When you see the state of their biggest rivals, you would think they had more sense. It’s clear he only wants Madrid, so just promise him a massive signing on fee and get pen to paper on 1st January.
 
VanDeBank said:
So which is crazier: Real Madrid offering 180m or PSG not letting him go?
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What people actually don't get is that this is an operation with strategical meaning, not a tactical one. Tactically speaking of course you can do much better.

Nothing guarantees that Mbappe doesn't renew his contract if he stays there one more year alongside Messi and Neymar in the same way nothing guarantees a relatively weak Madrid are not eliminated vs Shaktar and Inter as it almost happened last year.

If you attract the big names and improve the squad now it will be much easier to attract the young promises later. You will have the foundations already.
 
Don't think Mbappe will give up the dream just because he stays another year. This actually saves Madrid money who they can spend next season
 
cyberman said:
300m and the result is winning 1 less league title than they should have won is eye watering.
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PSG aren't actually as dominant in Ligue 1 as Juventus and Bayern were in their respective leagues. The most they've won in a row is 4. They reached CL finals with Mbappe which is not trivial even if they didn't win.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Don't think Mbappe will give up the dream just because he stays another year. This actually saves Madrid money who they can spend next season
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I'd rather spend 200million euros than take a dangerous step towards AC Milanization.

I'd rather not take risks and see Mbappe being tempted by a powerful PSG with unlimited sources of money the same season he plays alongside Messi and Neymar assisting him like crazy while he sees Madrid play the Europa League.

And last but not least, zero-cost Galacticos are not very marketable.
 
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