So you're just going to pretend that the fact that there was a winter World Cup in which Mbappe won the golden boot and scored a hattrick in the final had no impact at all on the club season? Mbappe also scored more goals in less games which is a pretty important part of rating the performance of an attacker.
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This and the circus that surrounds him is exactly why I hope we would stay well clear even if we had the money to sign him.
Edit: I can't post images, the poster I replied to has an image showing M'bappes dreadful workrate which I responded to with "this".
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So you're just going to pretend that Mbappe plays in a league that's as competitive as the La Liga that Ronaldo played in?
He's much more talented than Martial. The only parallel is the lack of work rate.
I can't post images, I was replying to his post where it showed his work rate which is abysmal. I'll edit my post to reflect that I guess.
Immensely talented player but surely we as United fans would have learned in the last 10 years that talent is nothing without work rate. It would be like Pogba but 100x worse when it comes to work rate and circus.
The Balon d’Or is awarded to individuals. And I’d love to know how you consider that the top scoring international footballer of all time (who has won the same number of major international trophies as your golden boy) has not excelled on the international stage. Have you ever been to a football game?
No need to get emotional mate. Has the guy you keep shoehorning into the Mbappé thread ever scored in the world cup KO stages (the highest stage in international football? The answer us ofcourse no.
Just as you keep talking about how the French league is a lower quality league and how Mbappe needs to prove himself at the "tougher" leagues domestically, the same standard applies internationally.
But once more, this is an Mbappé thread. Try to follow.
I'm almost sure that this poster ignored his CL record when I shared it. You are wasting your time.
Seems that way, doesn't it. Cheers
I am not sure it is vastly easier to score in the French league compared to La liga. French league is a little more defensive by nature in my opinion. Look at some of the top scorers year in year out. Not saying the leagues compare in terms of quality but the assumption that top players can go to the French league and knock in 50 goals isn't reality either.
I saw it, and enjoyed the irony that the purpose for my initial posting in this thread was a poster saying Mbappe is better than peak era-Ronaldo at pretty much everything except goalscoring, and yet we’ve come full circle to using Mbappe’s CL goalscoring record to show what a great player he is. He is clearly a fantastic player but it is absolutely insane to suggest he’s anywhere near as good, let alone better, than Ronaldo was at his best.
Who’s emotional, it’s a reasonable question which funnily enough, you haven’t answered. And international football is nowhere near the level of club football in this era sadly. I’m also interested to know how it’s me shoehorning anyone into the thread when the sole reason I replied was to highlight the ridiculousness of a poster saying that one was better than the other.
Interesting. French players union criticising Mbappe treatment https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...yers-union-backs-mbappe-amid-psg-contract-row. Some of those French Unions have teeth.
What does a post way back by someone else have to do with me or the cascade of posts since by you discussing someone completely irrelevant in this thread?
That second sentence seems like something to help you cope with the fact that your guy proved incapable of doing it at the highest level of international football. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
Now, do you think its time we can agree to disagree and leave all mentions of the other guy out of the discussion and stick to Mbappé? Or is that too difficult?
There is no irony involved here, the context of my response to you was highligted with a bold font and had nothing to do with Ronaldo. It was in response to your suggestion that Mbappé had not been dominant outside of France(Ligue 1). His entire body of work shows that this suggestion is dubious.
Now when it comes to Cristiano Ronaldo, I don't agree with the idea that Mbappé is superior to Ronaldo's prime. Statistically he is probably superior at the same age but Ronaldo's peak is around 30 years old where he was playing at a level that only Messi and Lewandowski have matched with any sort of consistency in recent history. But that's beside the point that you tried to make which is that Mbappé hasn't been dominant.
What's "full circle" about someone correcting you when you argued that Mbappé hadn't done it at the domestic level? It was just proof your point was silly and rather than address it, you promptly decided to sweet it under the carpet and type up 10 posts about Ronaldo.
Imagine he wanted to come here but Mount being 7 was the deal breaker.
Exactly. Which is why the need for the Ronaldo cultists to constantly bring him up in every post and then - when quizzed about why they do so - say that's its merely a response about a Ronaldo conversation, just plain daft
How can he refuse to go if they sell him? That’s completely out of order if players can do that just to get a great contract from the new club.
My guy?
Sorry mate I’m not an American who follows players I support Manchester United and genuinely couldn’t give a rats arse about Ronaldo other than to appreciate the level that him and Messi reached between 09-16 or so, which was far superior to anything in the game today. Check how many posts I’ve put in the Ronaldo or Ronaldo v Messi threads if you think I’m one of his “cultists” (it’ll be zero). That said, if you’re insistent, both players have the exact same number of major international trophies, I’m shocked Mbappe doesn’t have more considering how “dominant” he is.And despite you continually mentioning it, I haven’t said he hasn’t done it domestically. I’ve said the domestic league he’s done it in is a level below the two top leagues in Europe, which it is. I haven’t said he wouldn’t go to England or Spain and score a hatful, he may well do and I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later.
They can't sell him without his agreement to join an other club. The same way a player can't sign a contract with an other club when he is already tied with a club. And why would it be out of order for someone to respect and fulfill the terms of his contract? If anything it is the club that is out of order, they are the ones not happy to fulfill an agreement that they signed.
Balogun is one of the top scorers and he struggled in the Championship. Lacaeztte is second top scorer at 32 years old... i'd say its pretty easy.
We get it, Messi is the GOAT, but this is mental.
On a side note, @Oly Francis how do PSG fans feel about all this?
I think (hope) he wasn't serious
My guy?
And despite you continually mentioning it, I haven’t said he hasn’t done it domestically. I’ve said the domestic league he’s done it in is a level below the two top leagues in Europe, which it is. I haven’t said he wouldn’t go to England or Spain and score a hatful, he may well do and I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later.
Not a clue what impelled you to type out all this meaningless blocks of texts that hasn't addressed anything I've said
I said that he has done it domestically and you disputed that. So if you admit it now, then I have no idea what you were even arguing earlier.
Regarding the last sentence, I disagree but we'll see. I heard plenty say the same about Haaland. And he has scored more in England than he did in any season in Germany. I think great players would do it everywhere. But we'll see.
I think (hope) he wasn't serious
Honestly I don't know, many posters have genuinely shared these kind of ideas whether it is for United players or others.
Where?Not a clue what impelled you to type out all this meaningless blocks of texts that hasn't addressed anything I've said
You actually have said that he hasn't "dominated" domestically (you seemd fixated on that word. ) When given stats that proved you wrong, you promptly ignore them.
Regarding the last sentence, I disagree but we'll see. I heard plenty say the same about Haaland. And he has scored more in England than he did in any season in Germany. I think great players would do it everywhere. But we'll see.
People can nit pick every little detail of his game all they want…no player is perfect.
But it’s absolutely mental to not add one of the top two or three players in world at a position we desperately need quality, if he were willing and available.
So nit pick away but I would seriously doubt any sane football fan would ever say no to him at any price…
But it’s absolutely mental to not add one of the top two or three players in world at a position we desperately need quality, if he were willing and available.
So nit pick away but I would seriously doubt any sane football fan would ever say no to him at any price…
Literally in the posts you made. Something about needing to win things to be considered "dominant". Something that a bunch of posters immediately ridiculed you for saying.
But glad you admitted he has excelled domestically. That was my point and you - for some reason - seemed intent on arguing against it.
If you’re going to tell me I’ve said something I clearly haven’t said, at least have the decency to attempt to find the “quote”.
Doesn't take "decency". It takes time that I'm not going to waste when you've spammed this thread with 20 posts of block paragraphs. I already mentioned the post. Now stop wasting my time.
It’ll take a lot of time because you’re telling me I said something that I quite literally haven’t said.
I'd say most PSG fans are on the fence, acknowledging that the club put itself in the situation but really bored of Mbappé antics pretty much every seasons. I'd say the majority of hardcore fans are done with him (might not be the case for more casual) and understand the club's decision. It's pretty much the same story every year since 2019.
What people sometimes don't understand though is that he polished his image since he's 15 to look like the champion type of player, driven only by performance, but he now refuses to go to Real Madrid so he can get a bigger paycheck for a season. I mean everybody knows most players love money but his PR was supposed to make him look a bit different. The fact that he's showing his true colors is really disappointing for a lot of people.
PSG is at the begining of a new cycle with Enrique and you pretty much waste an entire season of rebuilding with Mbappé in the team since he's 100% leaving in 2024 and transforms a team by his absence (because of his level of course, but also because of his wage).
So he is going to sit a season on the bench? Maybe he shouldn't have signed for a bloody joke of a club after all. But it's better he learnt it the hard way than never, I guess.
No one is forcing you to read it or reply, you're both wasting your own time IMO!
Tell me where that post says he hasn’t dominated domestically? You do understand what the word “domestic” means, right?
To be fair he didn't question whether he was dominant domestically, he questioned Mbappé's dominance outside of his domestic league. Which is actually worse because we are talking about a record setting player in the CL and Worl Cup.
The reality of Mbappé is fairly simple, he is on pace to break or match all the continental or domestic records. Currently only Haaland is likely to beat him for one record which is the all time CL goals but both are on unreal paces. Haaland current pace is 1 g+a every 59 minutes (35g and 4) while Mbappé averages 1 G+A every 77 minutes(40g and 22a), those figures are not normal.
PS: Haaland assists are from transfermarkt so they may include penalties won but it doesn't change the point.
No, you're right mate. The leagues and domestic cup trophies you listed have nothing to do with domestic football, at all.
In any case, semantics. This really is a pointless. I'll carry on believing that Mbappé has been dominant and you'll carry on believing he isn't. And that's fine.
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