Kyle Rittenhouse | Now crowdfunding LOLsuits against Whoopi Goldberg, LeBron James, and The Young Turks

[Stacks]

I've watched enough drama LOLsuits on the internet to know how US defamation works now

He doesn't have a case for the reasons I have previously stated and depending on which state he sues in could end up paying fees and costs due to anti-SLAPP legislation.

People think he has a lot of money that was raised, but $2m belongs to the MAGA lawyers, or will be returned to donors, and the $600k will all be going to Richards and Chirafisi.

He's going to be broke for a long time unless he does a lot of media shit and then will probably have additional fees to pay with the expectation that he's going to have civil cases brought at least by Huber's family.

ok fine. He'll probably end up working at Fox News or the Daily Wire

 

[Stacks]

Build Back Bitter.

Man I just hate American politics and how they deal with social issues in such a partisan way. Everyone has to stay "on code" and stick to the script. Its pretty much dishonest reporting and lots of lies, deceit, disingenuousness and more lies. they will literally go on TV and state bold face debunkable lies as if they think the people are stupid

 

[Drainy]

ok fine. He'll probably end up working at Fox News or the Daily Wire

if you want a laugh look into the Romeo Lacoste v Keemstar defamation lawsuit.

 

[fishfingers15]

ok fine. He'll probably end up working at Fox News or the Daily Wire

Thought you were only looking at the "legal aspect". Here you are hoping for a better career and earning opportunity for "kyle" instead of him going broke?

 

[Stacks]

Thought you were only looking at the "legal aspect". Here you are hoping for a better career and earning opportunity for "kyle" instead of him going broke?

To be honest I couldn't give a monkeys where he ends up and no one can predict but Tucker Carlson (Fox News) has been seen on twitter videos saying he will employ him so its pretty obvious that's where he is heading. But then there's "Rittenhouse's" public BLM support

 

[TheRedHearted]

It was Grosskreump who raised a gun and the others just charged/attacked

Yeah dude, you can’t charge someone without giving them the reason to defend themselves.

 

[Cloud7]

He's not gonna be able to respond.

He should have been banned ever since the thread where he said that the texans whipping the Haitians on horseback wasn't an issue

 

[Carolina Red]

He should have been banned ever since the thread where he said that the texans whipping the Haitians on horseback wasn't an issue

I don’t disagree

 

[Suedesi]

What can I say? This little episode caused one person to lose his temper and start throwing out insults, God knows we don't need to set off part II but personally as I've said I think it appears to be on the face of it a derogative term, 'Nut-Job' in a similar vein to 'Spazzo' or 'Retard' which aren't usually considered satisfactory to use here. Certainly I think he had mental problems which I can well imagine leading him to do what he did, maybe he was so affected by what he saw during the protest, maybe having recently attempted suicide he did not care what happened to him, and maybe we'll never know. It certainly kicked off a tragedy for another and their family and friends and injury for one more. I'm just of the opinion that the loss of life was a tragedy and they had people who cared for them.

Me adding 'He was abused as a child' was merely me adding to the history you were posting about as a by the by, something quite typical in his background but none of it relevant to his death, however my comment was seen as something else, best let sleeping dogs lie.


There's not much that I really understand about American Gun Culture,, as a British person we can have our opinions but getting our heads round it isn't simple. I think if we tried to relate the protest and attendance of the Militia's, their callout for individuals to come and bolster their numbers then I would think of the protests and riot in Croydon, Surrey (South London) a few years ago now and as a place that I worked in during the 80s and 90s an area I knew and was familiar with, a family owned business of decades burned down just around the corner from where I worked, and I can't imagine any authoritative body apart from the Police, or the Fire Brigade and Paramedics having legitimacy to respond, the vast percentage of the police wouldn't bear firearms, we certainly don't have militias in the UK and if we did it might mostly be farmers with shotguns and pitchforks they could maybe call upon, it might take several days for them to arrive driving tractors.

I'm afraid all that comes to mind having groups with their own agendas calling armed individuals to join them under what authority's tactics and control (?) is just insanity.

The US and GBR are two countries separated by a common language. Nut Job is not considered offensive here, in fact was a PG-13 Nut Job movie just a few years ago. Might have even had a sequel. Language is obviously constantly evolving but calling someone a "nut job" stateside is not dehumanizing in not even in the ballpark as calling them a "retard" for example.

Any hoo

 

[Suedesi]

Thanks for your service Frank.

 

[Fridge chutney]

BLM is nothing more than regurgitated Marxist garbage, but that should be for another thread, no?

Easy there Ben Shapiro.

In a thread full of dreadful takes, i shouldn't be surprised at reading shite like this, but here we are.

 

[Gehrman]

Yeah dude, you can’t charge someone without giving them the reason to defend themselves.

It's not just charging someone, it's trying to take their rifle as well. In a situation like that you don't know if they would use it to kill your or just get killed by other means.

 

[Gehrman]

not regularly, occasionally when the click bait gets me

Is he considered right wing now? I saw some people are calling him, Matt Tiabbi and Glenn Greenwald right wing recently

Whether someone is right-wing or left-wing the most important thing should really be whether they get the facts right whatever they are commenting on.

 

[UweBein]

The problem with this trial is also that in other instances it was pretty hard to prove self-defense.




There are quite a lot people, especially women, jailed behind bars because they acted in self defense.

 

[Stacks]

The problem with this trial is also that in other instances it was pretty hard to prove self-defense.




There are quite a lot people, especially women, jailed behind bars because they acted in self defense.

this lady is currently free

 

[Gehrman]

The problem with this trial is also that in other instances it was pretty hard to prove self-defense.




There are quite a lot people, especially women, jailed behind bars because they acted in self defense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/03/chrystul-kizer-sex-trafficking-appeal/

 

[oates]

Whether someone is right-wing or left-wing the most important thing should really be whether they get the facts right whatever they are commenting on.

If that was a prerequisite for politics there'd be no politics. We all know that it is the slant based on interpretation of a fact that proves the tricky part.

 

[UweBein]

this lady is currently free

Currently, which means she did spend time and her case is still being evaluated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/03/chrystul-kizer-sex-trafficking-appeal/

Context?

 

[Gehrman]

Currently, which means she did spend time and her case is still being evaluated.


Context?

That she has good chance to win the trial. I imagine though that the law in this particular case is difficult. She's 100% morally right to do what she did, but I don't know how the laws works in these circumstances.

 

[Drainy]

Whether someone is right-wing or left-wing the most important thing should really be whether they get the facts right whatever they are commenting on.

I agree, more a comment on the inference

Part of my agitation in this matter has been how some people are so disconnected from the facts and still have a strong opinion. Then rather than debating on the corrected facts they question your motivation or outright insult.

It's like debating Brexit.

 

[fishfingers15]

I agree, more a comment on the inference

Part of my agitation in this matter has been how some people are so disconnected from the facts and still have a strong opinion. Then rather than debating on the corrected facts they question your motivation or outright insult.

It's like debating Brexit.

Omg, you virtually posted through the entire thread taking law on one side and opinion on the other. Stop posting as if you are some of paragon of unvarnished truth here bro.

 

[Gehrman]

If that was a prerequisite for politics there'd be no politics. We all know that it is the slant based on interpretation of a fact that proves the tricky part.

I've just grown up having no problem reading right wing and left wing magazines because I feel it gives me a better picture of things. The same with tv/youtube/twitter etc. And no I don't watch fox news, I'm not an american.

 

[Raoul]

I agree, more a comment on the inference

Part of my agitation in this matter has been how some people are so disconnected from the facts and still have a strong opinion. Then rather than debating on the corrected facts they question your motivation or outright insult.

It's like debating Brexit.

This is the case in most threads.

 

[oates]

I've just grown up having no problem reading right wing and left wing magazines because I feel it gives me a better picture of things. The same with tv/youtube/twitter etc. And no I don't watch fox news, I'm not an american.

I just don't see how reading both Right and Left Wing media would give you the impression that you are gaining a balanced insight, surely you are just gaining one extreme versus another.

Don't watch or read news for their opinions or their slant on the facts. Pick the bones out of either then decide for yourself what they might mean for the society you want to live in.

 

[Gehrman]

I just don't see how reading both Right and Left Wing media would give you the impression that you are gaining a balanced insight, surely you are just gaining one extreme versus another.

Don't watch or read news for their opinions or their slant on the facts. Pick the bones out of either then decide for yourself what they might mean for the society you want to live in.

It doesnt have to be extremes providing the content is reasonable.

 

[oates]

It doesnt have to be extremes providing the content is reasonable.

Oh well, you didn't say that mate. I must be on the look out for reasonable Right and Left Wing content.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Second degree doesn't even apply because according to everyone on the left Kyle went to the protest with the intent to kill someone. If you're of the mind that he's lying that he went to be helpful and. And lying that only brought gun for personal safety then your only avenue in Wisconsin is first Degree homicide. If you're convinced that Kyle went there with the soul purpose to murder protesters and his whole story of self defense is him lying out of his teeth then I don't understand how you go about changing anything other than first Degree when you go through the list of statues available to you in Wisconsin.

Yes. My point is that Wisconsin lacks the logical and common laws of other states. I still would have voted for the reckless charges myself but Wisconsin still lacks some laws he would have been charged with in other states.

About self defense, no it doesnt. One of those would have to charge or raise a gun or do something like Rosenbaum did. That’s a very poor argument

It does because it speaks towards the question of provocation which is relevant. Some will only consider the 5 seconds before the shooting to determine self-defense while others will look at a longer time frame and consider the provocation factor. For Grosskreutz, he would also have a legit self-defense claim because Rittenhouse appeared to be pointing the AR-015 at him and reracking it.

It's problematic in a broader sense because some states lack other laws to help limit such negligent and dangerous behavior. California for instance has a law against brandishing firearms in public while New York has a general law against public endangerment. Wisconsin lacks laws like this. These circumstances increase the likelihood of avoidable deaths.

Some like mace, pepper spray or even blunt weapons like a cane, anyone can defend themselves and incapacitate a person without using lethal force. With guns and lacking other laws like California and NY that disincentivize reckless and provocative behavior the stakes of any encounter automatically goes to the extremes. When people, especially untrained, unexperienced ones walk around with AR-15s the stakes become so much higher it makes any encounter potentially life or death which is very problematic. It's why many states and cities don't allow 17-year-olds to walk around with AR-15s in the first place (and Wisconsin didn't intend to allow that either from their law).

 

[Drainy]

Interesting allegations coming out.

The MAGA lawyers accused of using Rittenhouse to create a cause in order to raise money for themselves. They supposedly faught the extradition because they were avoiding paying bond and wanted to keep Rittenhouse in prison until after the presidential election.

Wisconsin extradited Rittenhouse and set the bond and they were forced to post the bond and according to Mark Richards they started whoring Rittenhouse out to people donating to the campaign. Rittenhouse spent 90 days in prison but could have been out sooner supposedly.

At this point they got sacked by the family. Richards has said that he has advised Rittenhouse to start taking responsibility for the events and press he does and to learn to say no. They disagreed on Tucker Carlson getting the first interview and filming the trial.

 

[Adisa]

This is peak culture war. Let's be honest, race is the instigator of everything that is wrong with America.
Rittenhouse is a hero to nearly half of the country.

 

[Gehrman]

This is peak culture war. Let's be honest, race is the instigator of everything that is wrong with America.
Rittenhouse is a hero to nearly half of the country.

Well going with the media narratives and social media narratives he's either a hero or a terrorist while imo he is neither of those things. Him flashing white power signs on a picture with the proud boys is enough for me beyond all the other stuff to distrust stuff like saying he support BLM and all that.

 

[nimic]

Well going with the media narratives and social media narratives he's either a hero or a terrorist while imo he is neither of those things. Him flashing white power signs on a picture with the proud boys is enough for me beyond all the other stuff to distrust stuff like saying he support BLM and all that.

There may well be something to his claims that his (later fired) lawyers set that photo-op up, and that he didn't know who the Proud Boys were or that the OK sign has been appropriated by the alt-right, though the latter two seem less likely for someone who is engaged enough to grab his rifle to "protect businesses". But either way, the right is going to make him a hero. The BLM comment is easily dismissed by the alt-right as a "nudge nudge wink wink" comment, like how Q-anon supporters read everything Trump did as supporting Q.

 

[Drainy]

His advisors should have been smarter than to trust high profile lawyers who take on these types of cases to get exposure.

Mark Richards wasn't a good trial lawyer but at least he isn't involved in the January 6th or 'stolen election' cases or like Lin Wood, John Pierce or Robert Barnes. At least they were wise enough to cut those guys eventually.

 

[Sky1981]

His advisors should have been smarter than to trust high profile lawyers who take on these types of cases to get exposure.

Mark Richards wasn't a good trial lawyer but at least he isn't involved in the January 6th or 'stolen election' cases or like Lin Wood, John Pierce or Robert Barnes. At least they were wise enough to cut those guys eventually.

Whichever lawyer they pick would have no option other than to drag themselves in the mud with the image flinging contest.

As much as they want to play fair this is and will be an optic war

 

[Drainy]

Whichever lawyer they pick would have no option other than to drag themselves in the mud with the image flinging contest.

As much as they want to play fair this is and will be an optic war

At least Richards and Chirafici are moderate Democrats and were smart enough to move away from the culture war aspect that was actually damaging their client's case and chances of a normal life once cleared.

A more ethical lawyer at the start would have de-escalated the culture war aspect immediately, even if it meant less money in the pot. At least in my opinion, but maybe I'm being naive.

 

[Sky1981]

At least Richards and Chirafici are moderate Democrats and were smart enough to move away from the culture war aspect that was actually damaging their client's case and chances of a normal life once cleared.

A more ethical lawyer at the start would have de-escalated the culture war aspect immediately, even if it meant less money in the pot. At least in my opinion, but maybe I'm being naive.

You're being naive, nothing in US court is not about optics, with 12 jurors up for grabs.

 

[Stacks]

Well going with the media narratives and social media narratives he's either a hero or a terrorist while imo he is neither of those things. Him flashing white power signs on a picture with the proud boys is enough for me beyond all the other stuff to distrust stuff like saying he support BLM and all that.

the white power thing is a reach though. I have seen pictures of AOC and Obama doing the same thing. its a pretty standard hand gesture which I do sometimes. His own Lawyer has said during an interview with Cuomo, that conservative politicians trying to profit off his result should be ashamed as this case was not about a victory for them or white supremacists and that no one should be celebrating. The media narratives have been pathetic in this case for both sides and you shouldn't get sucked in.

https://www.google.com/search?q=AOC...tB8sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1536&bih=722&dpr=1.25

https://www.google.com/search?q=oba...gBw&bih=722&biw=1536&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB846GB846

 

[calodo2003]

This is peak culture war. Let's be honest, race is the instigator of everything that is wrong with America.
Rittenhouse is a hero to nearly half of the country.

fecker was at Mar-a-Lago last night. Can’t wait til we start seeing the media from that circus.

 

[Gehrman]

the white power thing is a reach though. I have seen pictures of AOC and Obama doing the same thing. its a pretty standard hand gesture which I do sometimes. His own Lawyer has said during an interview with Cuomo, that conservative politicians trying to profit off his result should be ashamed as this case was not about a victory for them or white supremacists and that no one should be celebrating. The media narratives have been pathetic in this case for both sides and you shouldn't get sucked in.

https://www.google.com/search?q=AOC...tB8sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1536&bih=722&dpr=1.25

https://www.google.com/search?q=oba...gBw&bih=722&biw=1536&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB846GB846

Its him doing it with proud boys that does it for. Context means everything. It's also mudra in Buddhism that stands for "excellent". Im open to the idea that Rittenhouse is a complex person, but he should have known what that signal he was sending.

 

[Stacks]

Its him doing it with proud boys that does it for. Context means everything. It's also mudra in Buddhism that stands for "excellent". Im open to the idea that Rittenhouse is a complex person, but he should have known what that signal he was sending.

Yeah. He does appear a bit of a helmet. I was watching his Lawyer have a discussion and he gives the impression his family are manipulating things a bit, and the lawyer had a "chat" with him kinda implying he was advising him to be careful. He is 17 years old

 

[nimic]

the white power thing is a reach though. I have seen pictures of AOC and Obama doing the same thing. its a pretty standard hand gesture which I do sometimes. His own Lawyer has said during an interview with Cuomo, that conservative politicians trying to profit off his result should be ashamed as this case was not about a victory for them or white supremacists and that no one should be celebrating. The media narratives have been pathetic in this case for both sides and you shouldn't get sucked in.

https://www.google.com/search?q=AOC...tB8sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1536&bih=722&dpr=1.25

https://www.google.com/search?q=oba...gBw&bih=722&biw=1536&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB846GB846

As @Gehrman pointed out, it's when he's doing it in the context of taking a photo with alt-right thugs like Proud Boys. Whether or not he knew what he was doing or was just being misled by his lawyers, it's clearly not comparable to AOC or Obama doing it.