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[Achilles McCool]

Hopefully there isn't too much in the way of civil unrest. Do you think Kenosha, WI or any other jurisdictions might try to restrict the use or carrying of AR-15s in urban areas? The concern being all those Proud Boy and Boogallo chaps marching into tense situations and making things worse.

Yeah, I think a “public display” restriction might happen.

With “concealed carry” the firearm is by definition concealed/hidden. I agree with most posters in here that believe brazenly carrying a rifle in the ready position is “aggressive” and “provocative” and when the individual is walking through a hostile or volatile environment, then nothing good can come of it (if you’re not law enforcement)-**I say that only because sometimes L.E.O. might need to brandish their weapon as a show of force to discourage criminals from acting. But that should only be worst-case scenarios.

BTW, I completely understand most posters here from other parts of the world (other than US & Canada) thinking carrying a weapon is bonkers.

 

[fishfingers15]

Many people in the US carrying a gun is bonkers. I've lived half my life in US and the other half in india

 

[Achilles McCool]

Has this been discussed?

Headline: Binger withheld the original drone video from Kyle's defense team

Apparently the video given to the defense was low quality and the prosecution had an alternate HD video showing that Rittenhouse did not aim his AR-15 at the Ziminskis.

@Drainy has a good point; these prosecutors are sketchy!

 

[Drainy]

Has this been discussed?

Headline: Binger withheld the original drone video from Kyle's defense team

Apparently the video given to the defense was low quality and the prosecution had an alternate HD video showing that Rittenhouse did not aim his AR-15 at the Ziminskis.

@Drainy has a good point; these prosecutors are sketchy!

I don't think so, I hadn't heard that but wouldn't be surprised.

 

[fishfingers15]

Has this been discussed?

Headline: Binger withheld the original drone video from Kyle's defense team

Apparently the video given to the defense was low quality and the prosecution had an alternate HD video showing that Rittenhouse did not aim his AR-15 at the Ziminskis.

@Drainy has a good point; these prosecutors are sketchy!

Where are you getting this from?

 

[Drainy]

No reasonable person would ever be in Rittenhouse's shoes because Rittenhouse's situation was the direct result of unreasonable actions he himself made.

Which isn't the legal standard, that's a Twitch argument.

The only legal justification for Ziminski and Rosenbaum would be the alleged assault by pointing a gun that is the centre of the controversy. If that didn't happen, Rittenhouse was a person with as much right to be there as anyone else and was smart to be armed because of the risk of a Rosenbaum, who wasn't really a protester, turning up

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Which isn't the legal standard, that's a Twitch argument.

The only legal justification for Ziminski and Rosenbaum would be the alleged assault by pointing a gun that is the centre of the controversy. If that didn't happen, Rittenhouse was a person with as much right to be there as anyone else and was smart to be armed because of the risk of a Rosenbaum, who wasn't really a protester, turning up

Remove the AR-15 from the equation and the likelihood that Rosenbaum and the others would identify Rittenhouse as a threat drops to near zero.

 

[KirkDuyt]

On the contrary if Kyle's thrown the book it also meant that anyone can feel threatened by anything, and bash them with skateboard. And if they fought back it's homicide.

If you're dressed as KkK, nazi, etc it's not for the masses to do street justice. You call the cop and let them deal with it. Taking law into your own hand is never right in my eyes.

And that doesnt mean I'm a nazi sympathizer. It's just what i believe. And equally for armaud, even if he's buglar or indeed have ulterior motives he is not to be harmed by civilian.

Isnt that what started all this mess? A civilian playing vigilante?

I'm looking beyond Kyle's case, that provocation no matter how is not a justification for physical assault. That's all. And for this principle i find his self defence is just.

He's a white supremacist cnut? Yes. But even if he is, a gun totting lib nutcase you just dont do street justice on him and expecting to be vindicated by law.

Being a cnut is not a reason to get smashed in the head by a skateboard.

Wasn't the skateboard thing after he had already murdered someone else?
The point is the assault rifle IMHO. If he went there and provoked people with a skateboard and got hit with 1, by all means, hit him back, but why would you bring a rifle other than to shoot people.

The gun-toting lib should be in jail too mind.

This case is just the ultimate showcase for the reason you should ban guns. Guns kill people

 

[Drainy]

Remove the AR-15 from the equation and the likelihood that Rosenbaum and the others would identify Rittenhouse as a threat drops to near zero.

They didn't see him as a threat, they saw him as a target, from my perspective.

Edit: to clarify - referring to the Ziminskis and Rosenbaum.

 

[Raven]

Random or not, it means shooting a group of people unprovoked, which is not the case here. KR can actually claim self defense.

Wrong again.

 

[harms]

They didn't see him as a threat, they saw him as a target, from my perspective.

Imagine seeing a guy that just shot someone and who’s carrying an assault rifle and thinking let’s target and chase him for fun (or whatever is the supposed reason for “targeting” him).

 

[Drainy]

Imagine seeing a guy that just shot two people and who’s carrying an assault rifle and thinking let’s target and chase him for fun (or whatever is the supposed reason for “targeting” him).

Take it you missed my edit, or any of my previous posts regarding Huber, Jump Kick Man or Grosskreutz.

Also he'd only shot Rosenbaum by the time the mob chase him.

 

[Drainy]

Where are you getting this from?

It's on the motion for mistrial with prejudice.

The allegation is that the prosecution provided a heavily compressed copy with lower resolution to the defence and then submitted the HD version as evidence.

They are asking the court to consider this as bad faith given they were essentially undermining the ability of the defence to argue against it, and that is the only way a provocation instruction got to the jury so has prejudiced the defendant.

This is after the constitutional violation and the other acts evidence shit show.

The judge is also experienced enough to know why Ziminski's and Black 's trials are after Rittenhouse's.

One witness testified that they were asked to change testimony after the prosecution showed a video and identitied a suspect in a related case and that's why they lawyered up.

The police also failed to search Grosskreutz's phone when they had it and had a search warrant approved by a judge at the request of the prosecution. They cite a law to protect victims but its never been used in this way and looks like they were turning a blind eye in order to get testimony.

Edit:deleted rumour

 

[Gehrman]

Imagine seeing a guy that just shot two people and who’s carrying an assault rifle and thinking let’s target and chase him for fun (or whatever is the supposed reason for “targeting” him).

Wrong timeline.

 

[Gehrman]

Anyway the mob chasing Kyle werent necessarily aware that rosenbaum had been shot in plausible self-defense. In their eyes they were chasing and trying to apprehend or possibly kill a murderer. So whatever past they may have you can presume they were acting in good faith but also reckless to attack a guy with an assault rifle running towards the police.

 

[Sky1981]

Wasn't the skateboard thing after he had already murdered someone else?
The point is the assault rifle IMHO. If he went there and provoked people with a skateboard and got hit with 1, by all means, hit him back, but why would you bring a rifle other than to shoot people.

The gun-toting lib should be in jail too mind.

This case is just the ultimate showcase for the reason you should ban guns. Guns kill people

Understand this. It happens in the US.

Stop seeing things with non US perspective. By all means if this happens in the UK then you wont need rosenbaum. He will be sniper death by the police long before.

Again i dont agree with their gun laws. But it is what it is.

You cant use he's "open carry" as a reason for feeling provoked and justification to disarm or attack.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Understand this. It happens in the US.

Stop seeing things with non US perspective. By all means if this happens in the UK then you wont need rosenbaum. He will be sniper death by the police long before.

Again i dont agree with their gun laws. But it is what it is.

You cant use he's "open carry" as a reason for feeling provoked and justification to disarm or attack.

Yeah I accept that it's the law over there and the mentality is different. Law's just wrong if you ask me

I mean, the fact an 18 year old can walk around with a gun... I've been 18 years old myself and I was a fecking moron at 18, giving me a gun back then would've been a terrible idea.

 

[Sky1981]

Yeah I accept that it's the law over there and the mentality is different. Law's just wrong if you ask me

I mean, the fact an 18 year old can walk around with a gun... I've been 18 years old myself and I was a fecking moron at 18, giving me a gun back then would've been a terrible idea.

Sad.. i know. I'm not sure and 18 yo me in US wont get shot or drawn into shooting someone.

18 ffs.

 

[pierrethesnack]

I've been 18 years old myself and I was a fecking moron at 18, giving me a gun back then would've been a terrible idea.

That's just because you didn't have a gun

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

They didn't see him as a threat, they saw him as a target, from my perspective.

Edit: to clarify - referring to the Ziminskis and Rosenbaum.

You can swap target and threat in my statement with no problem. The rifle is the reason Rittenhouse was singled out.

 

[ChaddyP]

Yeah I accept that it's the law over there and the mentality is different. Law's just wrong if you ask me

I mean, the fact an 18 year old can walk around with a gun... I've been 18 years old myself and I was a fecking moron at 18, giving me a gun back then would've been a terrible idea.

Where I'm from you can apply for your child to have a user permit for a shot gun to be used on hunting or sport. The gun is registered under a licensed firearm holder but the child can have a permit to use the firearm for competition or hunting. You would be surprised how responsible a 13 year old can be given the opportunity.

However would never give that child/teen complete open carry where they have to make decisions about when to use it in life or death matters.

 

[Drainy]

You can swap target and threat in my statement with no problem. The rifle is the reason Rittenhouse was singled out.

No, the fact that he was seen as a counter protester who was putting out fires was.

He was running with a fire extinguisher and an arsonist, his wife, and a mentally unstable homeless man decided to 'get him'.

The arsonist pulled his gun on him, while the mental guy hid behind a car. When Rittenhouse saw the gun, he stops running and tried backing up, then saw the mentally ill guy and shouted 'friendly' three times. This didn't stop them so he fled.

They continued to chase him, the arsonist shot his gun, Rittenhouse turned around and the mental guy was still coming at him, he points his gun, the mental guy puts his hands up, no shot, Rittenhouse continues to run and mental guy continues chasing until Rittenhouse is cornered and the mental guy who was chasing at full pace started lunging to grab the gun, he shoots 4 times while the guy is lunging, all shots within 3/4 of a second. From shouting friendly to the final shot was around 10 seconds.

Clear cut self defence. Being there was stupid, but anyone who didn't bring a gun was putting their lives at risk while people like Rosenbaum were there with the likes of the Ziminskis to rile them up. There is a reason Joshua Ziminski wasn't called to testify, even if the prosecution cleverly pushed his trial to after to ensure he cannot testify due to the 5th amendment.

 

[choiboyx012]

You can swap target and threat in my statement with no problem. The rifle is the reason Rittenhouse was singled out.

From the videos and photos I’ve seen most of KR’s right wing group also had long guns and were similarly dressed. So I’m not sure it’s his rifle that singled him out. I think he was targeted because for whatever reason he ended up alone.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

He was running with a fire extinguisher and an AR-15 and an arsonist, his wife, and a mentally unstable homeless man decided to 'get him'.

Fixed that for you. Your arguments will carry more weight if you include all the relevant details.

Being there was stupid, but anyone who didn't bring a gun was putting their lives at risk while people like Rosenbaum were there with the likes of the Ziminskis to rile them up.

This argument is prejudiced by knowledge gained after the fact.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

From the videos and photos I’ve seen most of KR’s right wing group also had long guns and were similarly dressed. So I’m not sure it’s his rifle that singled him out. I think he was targeted because for whatever reason he ended up alone.

Well, these rifles are a favourite of right wing militia cosplay groups like the Pride Boys and Boogaloo chaps. I'd say it's fairly easy (and accurate) to profile someone walking around with one as being closer to these groups than BLM or Antifa.

 

[Drainy]

Fixed that for you. Your arguments will carry more weight if you include all the relevant details.



This argument is prejudiced by knowledge gained after the fact.

Disingenuous. Everyone already knows for a fact he had a gun so my exclusion wouldn't mean anyone is misinformed from it.
He also had a medic pack and I left that out because the fire extinguisher was relevant to fact he was being confronted by arsonists.

There is a reason a lot of people who went there carried firearms.

A lot of people in Kenosha bought guns due to the riots for personal protection and a few people were excluded from the jury during selection by the prosecution because they admitted they had done so.

He was not allowed to legally carry a handgun, so it was a rifle or a shotgun. He testified that it was the reason why he didn't buy a handgun, and the prosecutor performatively showed disgust that he thought he was legally allowed to possess an AR-15, and it turned out he knew the law better than Binger.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Which isn't the legal standard, that's a Twitch argument.

The only legal justification for Ziminski and Rosenbaum would be the alleged assault by pointing a gun that is the centre of the controversy. If that didn't happen, Rittenhouse was a person with as much right to be there as anyone else and was smart to be armed because of the risk of a Rosenbaum, who wasn't really a protester, turning up

It's still true and it plays into the entire provocation factor. Just because someone "has a right to be there" doesn't automatically negate the standard for reasonable behavior or preclude provocation. You've made it clear you don't subjectively believe that Rittenhouse's appearance and behavior was provocation but others do believe that and would consider Rittenhouse's behavior to be threatening and provocative.

And many of your posts in this thread are "Twitch arguments" or, I suppose in your case, Parler arguments.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Disingenuous. Everyone already knows for a fact he had a gun so my exclusion wouldn't mean anyone is misinformed from it.
He also had a medic pack and I left that out because the fire extinguisher was relevant to fact he was being confronted by arsonists.

There is a reason a lot of people who went there carried firearms.

A lot of people in Kenosha bought guns due to the riots for personal protection and a few people were excluded from the jury during selection by the prosecution because they admitted they had done so.

He was not allowed to legally carry a handgun, so it was a rifle or a shotgun. He testified that it was the reason why he didn't buy a handgun, and the prosecutor performatively showed disgust that he thought he was legally allowed to possess an AR-15, and it turned out he knew the law better than Binger.

You argued that he was singled out for having a fire extinguisher. I'm arguing that that the rifle singled him out more than anything else on his person. It also made any potential confrontation much more dangerous and, in the end, deadly.

 

[Drainy]

It's still true and it plays into the entire provocation factor. Just because someone "has a right to be there" doesn't automatically negate the standard for reasonable behavior or preclude provocation. You've made it clear you don't subjectively believe that Rittenhouse's appearance and behavior was provocation but others do believe that and would consider Rittenhouse's behavior to be threatening and provocative.

And many of your posts in this thread are "Twitch arguments" or, I suppose in your case, Parler arguments.

Have you accepted that Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse and not the other way around yet?

I view you like one of those Japanese soldiers in a jungle on a pacific island refusing the believe the war is over.

 

[The Corinthian]

You argued that he was singled out for having a fire extinguisher. I'm arguing that that the rifle singled him out more than anything else on his person. It also made any potential confrontation much more dangerous and, in the end, deadly.

It’s mind boggling that @Drainy doesn’t understand this simple fact.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Understand this. It happens in the US.

Stop seeing things with non US perspective. By all means if this happens in the UK then you wont need rosenbaum. He will be sniper death by the police long before.

Again i dont agree with their gun laws. But it is what it is.

You cant use he's "open carry" as a reason for feeling provoked and justification to disarm or attack.

I don't think you have the right perspective either to just say "it happens" as if this was some normal, usual occurrence.

I was actually in a real riot at 17-year-old - The LA Riots of 1992 - as well as been around a number of protests and street demonstrations of the last 20 years, including a heated one outside an apartment I lived in at the time, and I can say from first-hand experience in America, that someone in Rittenhouse's position, walking around with an AR-15 at the ready and following groups that clearly won't feel safe around him ("protect your property not the streets") then running after them is absolutely outside the norm and very much on one end of the spectrum. It's definitely not something that happens on some regular basis.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Have you accepted that Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse and not the other way around yet?

I view you like one of those Japanese soldiers in a jungle on a pacific island refusing the believe the war is over.

Have you accepted Rittenhouse chased the Rosembaum group before Rosembaum ever charged Rittenhouse?

I already agree with this description days ago so you're just trying to be an asshole at this point:

Here is how NPR described the FBI video "The video appears to show that, at first, Rittenhouse was pursuing Rosenbaum into the used car lot. Rosenbaum appears to pause between two cars as Rittenhouse runs around them. Then, Rosenbaum appears to chase Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse stops and shoots him."

I feel like you are obsessed with acting like Tucker Carlson and your other Parler pals every time someone makes a point you don't agree with. You instantly go to passive-aggressive insults instead of arguing in good faith. In fact, I've given you the benefit of the doubt until now but it's clear you have no interest in arguing in good faith but just want to act like a Fox News troll.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

It’s mind boggling that @Drainy doesn’t understand this simple fact.

He probably understands it but he can't accept that reasonable people have opinions other than his own heavily biased right-wing interpretation.

 

[fishfingers15]

Can't believe this thread is 34 pages long and after DJ Jeff quipped with the 'here comes the cavalry", we have a few posters trying to ascertain that in fact Rittenhouse is the victim here, and was singled out because he was putting out fires. I mean, it's mind boggling but nearly 30 percent of US believes that the election results was a fraud, so I'm off to beat my own head with a skateboard.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Can't believe this thread is 34 pages long and after DJ Jeff quipped with the 'here comes the cavalry", we have a few posters trying to ascertain that in fact Rittenhouse is the victim here, and was singled out because he was putting out fires. I mean, it's mind boggling but nearly 30 percent of US believes that the election results was a fraud, so I'm off to beat my own head with a skateboard.

It's a pretty absurd suggestion but you're right, the entire right-wing mediasphere has been focusing on these points because it fits their BLM/Antifa are the real problem push after 1/6.

 

[Drainy]

Be right back, checking Parler for how to respond

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Disingenuous. Everyone already knows for a fact he had a gun so my exclusion wouldn't mean anyone is misinformed from it.
He also had a medic pack and I left that out because the fire extinguisher was relevant to fact he was being confronted by arsonists.

There is a reason a lot of people who went there carried firearms.

A lot of people in Kenosha bought guns due to the riots for personal protection and a few people were excluded from the jury during selection by the prosecution because they admitted they had done so.

He was not allowed to legally carry a handgun, so it was a rifle or a shotgun. He testified that it was the reason why he didn't buy a handgun, and the prosecutor performatively showed disgust that he thought he was legally allowed to possess an AR-15, and it turned out he knew the law better than Binger.

Let's simplify this for you. If you confront someone with your dick in your hands they'll think you want to feck them.

 

[Beans]

Can't believe this thread is 34 pages long and after DJ Jeff quipped with the 'here comes the cavalry", we have a few posters trying to ascertain that in fact Rittenhouse is the victim here, and was singled out because he was putting out fires. I mean, it's mind boggling but nearly 30 percent of US believes that the election results was a fraud, so I'm off to beat my own head with a skateboard.

Did you hear about the Republican strategy shift? They're "leaning into" being trolls and focusing on memes. It's full on 100% propaganda and no actual discussion of policies from now on.

As I'm sure you know, the stats say the US is getting less "white" and they're scared this is their last chance to hold power. Which is kinda weird since most Democrats are now right of Ronald Reagan but whatever.

 

[Achilles McCool]

Be right back, checking Parler for how to respond

 

[Achilles McCool]

Which is kinda weird since most Democrats are now right of Ronald Reagan but whatever.

Talk about trolling! “Most” democrats aren’t anywhere near Reagan, but “whatever”