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Reading a bit about this trial and defendant said he took the rifle just in case needed. Has the prosecution asked him why he didn't just stay at home?

(May have been posted but I'm away and only dipping in and out of the Caf)
He was asked why did you go when a curfew was enforced, why did you think there were barricades in the area and what was its purpose, was it to stop people from entering, etc etc.
 
I just tuned in to hear him try to question the credibility of the current witness because the witness dealt with the defence and prosecution via an attorney.

Basically suggesting it brings into question the character of someone if they hire a lawyer. The prosecutor is a crackpot.
I think the question is how independent is the witness? It would be like a Big Tobacco case where an expert witness is brought in to settle an issue and it turns out he's been on Big Tobacco's payroll the whole time. It would be reasonable to assume in that case that the testimony would be slanted.
 
On the McMichaels trial, watching at the moment and its like looking back in time (apart from the face masks)

Home owner of the property that Arbery visited testifying.
 
The home owner could have been a character in Paris, Texas.

from listening to a summary from Nate the Lawyer, sounds like straight forward guilty verdict. They have to prove probable cause for their belief that Arbery committed a felony in order to justify a citizen's arrest.

1) they misunderstood the law, even if he had committed a burglary its a misdemeanour
2) they didn't witness anything, just had someone point at him after he left the house
 
Honestly, the main lawyer for Rittenhouse is so horrible to listen to and he just goes on and on with no point.

Its been a bad few days for the defence.
 
Honestly, the main lawyer for Rittenhouse is so horrible to listen to and he just goes on and on with no point.

Its been a bad few days for the defence.
Good.

There are a lot of caricatures in the Arbery trial, you are correct.
 
For all the people saying the Judge is biased. He's allowed in drone footage that is enhanced that the expert cannot give foundation to the accuracy and is about to claim Rittenhouse points a gun at Ziminski that starts the confrontation.

This expert is about to get his arsehole expanded by the defence.
 


Some more context:

“It shows that the defendant eagerly made assumptions about the intentions of others even though he knew absolutely nothing about what was going on. The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him.

“Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified,” the motion states.

Along with the new other acts motion, the state earlier filed a motion seeking to admit a video taken from Kenosha’s lakefront weeks before the August shooting that shows Rittenhouse punching a girl who had been in a dispute with his sister. In that video, Rittenhouse punches a young woman from behind, running away when passersby intervene telling him not to “put his hands on a female.”

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/lo...cle_cddeb29f-5a86-5151-ab20-a3834456304e.html

The judge is definitely biased.
 
Some more context:

“It shows that the defendant eagerly made assumptions about the intentions of others even though he knew absolutely nothing about what was going on. The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him.

“Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified,” the motion states.

Along with the new other acts motion, the state earlier filed a motion seeking to admit a video taken from Kenosha’s lakefront weeks before the August shooting that shows Rittenhouse punching a girl who had been in a dispute with his sister. In that video, Rittenhouse punches a young woman from behind, running away when passersby intervene telling him not to “put his hands on a female.”

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/lo...cle_cddeb29f-5a86-5151-ab20-a3834456304e.html

The judge is definitely biased.

I’d really need to know more context about him beating a woman in the back of the before I decide whether he’s a woman beater.
 
Some more context:

“It shows that the defendant eagerly made assumptions about the intentions of others even though he knew absolutely nothing about what was going on. The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him.

“Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified,” the motion states.

Along with the new other acts motion, the state earlier filed a motion seeking to admit a video taken from Kenosha’s lakefront weeks before the August shooting that shows Rittenhouse punching a girl who had been in a dispute with his sister. In that video, Rittenhouse punches a young woman from behind, running away when passersby intervene telling him not to “put his hands on a female.”

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/lo...cle_cddeb29f-5a86-5151-ab20-a3834456304e.html

The judge is definitely biased.
So he said I wish I could shoot people with my AR 15 and proceeded to do just that later on.

Or am I missing something?
 
Reading a bit about this trial and defendant said he took the rifle just in case needed. Has the prosecution asked him why he didn't just stay at home?

(May have been posted but I'm away and only dipping in and out of the Caf)
Or he could have just looked at the example of all the people out there helping the protestors, you know, the ones with medical supplies, water,
That was the part about who was employing him and whether that indicated a political bias, still a bit of a ropey thing for the prosecutor to bring up. Even going into whether antifa were rioting or not, not in his remit and it certainly didn't play well for him.

The attorney part doesnt have anything to do with bias. It was him trying to suggest that a witness who communicates via an attorney is less credible than one who doesn't. And when you're in a country with a constitution where "everyone has the right to an attorney" that's not a great avenue to go down.
Oh, we don't care about that Constitution shit anymore, haven't you been keeping up? ;)
 
I’d really need to know more context about him beating a woman in the back of the before I decide whether he’s a woman beater.

There might be video footage but if it's been enlarged in any way it's automatically false.

So he said I wish I could shoot people with my AR 15 and proceeded to do just that later on.

Or am I missing something?

A right-wing bias?
 
When he gets let off scott free he'll be quite the empowered lil white supremacist.

Prosecution are adding charges and have confirmed they will be attempting to defeat self defence by provocation.

My guess is the jury will split the baby and convict on some lesser charges now. The last few days have been poor lawyering from the defence - losing the momentum of destroying key states witnesses.
 
Prosecution are adding charges and have confirmed they will be attempting to defeat self defence by provocation.

My guess is the jury will split the baby and convict on some lesser charges now. The last few days have been poor lawyering from the defence - losing the momentum of destroying key states witnesses.
Thought the prosecution rested, didn’t they?
 
Thought the prosecution rested, didn’t they?

Rested earlier this week. Defence hasn't been great on their case in chief.
Each side has been doing a great job for the other side. Think the assistant lawyer for the defence has been good on cross examination though.

The lead lawyer for the defence is terrible. Sounds awful, comes across incompetent, babbling and incoherent.
The lead lawyer for the prosecution is just a deceptive slimy weasel - I don't know how any of you trust him and he was a key person for setting out the narrative that got widely adopted in the media
The assistant lawyer for the prosecution is a surly bastard. Genuinely horrible individual who gets mad all the time. Not sure which of the prosecutors is the most arrogant.
 
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That was the part about who was employing him and whether that indicated a political bias, still a bit of a ropey thing for the prosecutor to bring up. Even going into whether antifa were rioting or not, not in his remit and it certainly didn't play well for him.

The attorney part doesnt have anything to do with bias. It was him trying to suggest that a witness who communicates via an attorney is less credible than one who doesn't. And when you're in a country with a constitution where "everyone has the right to an attorney" that's not a great avenue to go down.

Isn't he an expert witness? Bringing an attorney is weird.
 
I dont know a lot about this case. What I found quite interesting though is that I was reading reddit today about it and there was quite a balanced debate, with the majority consensus seeming to be that there was a strong case for self defense, that the prosecutor was doing a pathetic job and potentially deliberately trying for a mistrial just to try to avoid even more embarassment.

Reading a couple of pages of this thread, I have seen an overwhelming view from the majority that he is guilty, and the frequent shutting down of those (mostly @Drainy) who attempt to argue otherwise.

Regardless of the verdict, what I am sure we can all agree on is that the Caf' is an echo chamber, and not representative of a balanced - or accurate - viewpoint.

With all that said, based on what I know, I hope he gets convicted. But based on what I have read, I dont think that will be the case, and I dont think that simply means "corruption!".

Are people here saying that he will be found guilty, or are they saying that he's a murderer? Quite a big difference.
 

Yeah that is the evidence that Binger tried to get in before the jury without the permission of the court in contempt of the rules.

The judge ruled in pre trial, and again 2 days ago that it is propensity evidence that should be excluded because the only exception would be when it would be so similar as to show a plan or common tactic.

As the judge pointed out, the shootings in this case all take place with seconds to decide while someone is aggressing upon him, which does not have similarity to the comments.

He also mentioned that comments made when someone isn't in a situation with a gun doesn't necessarily mean that is what they would do if they had a gun.

It was a correct ruling under the law. People can judge the comments for themselves in the court of public opinion.
 
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Yeah that is the evidence that Binger tried to get in before the jury without the permission of the court in contempt of the rules.

The judge ruled in pre trial, and again 2 days ago that it is propensity evidence that should be excluded because the only exception would be when it would be so similar as to show a plan or common tactic.

As the judge pointed out, the shootings in this case all take place with seconds to decide while someone is aggressing upon him, which does not have similarity to the comments.

He also mentioned that comments made when someone doesn't necessarily mean that is what they would do if they had a gun.

It was a correct ruling under the law. People can judge the comments for themselves in the court of public opinion.

Sorry, misstatement. He didn't rule but he excluded provisionally at pretrial with a view to seeing if it became relevant with more evidence (or context even).

The defence also got denied bringing in the fact Rosenbaum had just got out of a mental institution that day, and was unable to stay at his girlfriends house because of a protective order that he breached to see her that day, in spite of the prosecution opening the door.

The prosecution even at one point said Rosenbaum didn't own a gun which could have opened the door to questions about why - which would have been a way into discussing his felony convictions, which also would be prejudicial to be heard before a jury if not 100% relevant.
 
Yeah that is the evidence that Binger tried to get in before the jury without the permission of the court in contempt of the rules.

The judge ruled in pre trial, and again 2 days ago that it is propensity evidence that should be excluded because the only exception would be when it would be so similar as to show a plan or common tactic.

As the judge pointed out, the shootings in this case all take place with seconds to decide while someone is aggressing upon him, which does not have similarity to the comments.

He also mentioned that comments made when someone isn't in a situation with a gun doesn't necessarily mean that is what they would do if they had a gun.

It was a correct ruling under the law. People can judge the comments for themselves in the court of public opinion.

“If I had my AR I’d shoot them”

A while later he takes an AR and travels to a place himself in a hostile situation, then actually does shoot someone.

“Nothing alike”