In fairness Elv, he's far better than Smith. His productivity isn't half bad for a winger...
He's unfairly maligned imo.
Kuyt to Inter
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In fairness Elv, he's far better than Smith. His productivity isn't half bad for a winger...
He's unfairly maligned imo.
Don't think Gerrard is underrated here as such. He does a great job for Liverpool because he's grown up in the club and loves it, but a lot of his great performances are acheived solely through his love for the club; I don't know how many times he's dragged them out of the fire, with MOM performances.
The thing is that he has never done it for England on a consistant basis, and I don't think he'd be half the player he is now, playing for another club.
I agree with you there Pogue about him being underated. At first i thought he was just a workhorse but he's a very good crosser of the ball and can finish. He turns up in the big games as well, you can see that by the amount of times he scores in the champions league and against Everton.
He's not gonna win player of the year any time soon, but he's the kind of player you'd want more of in your team hard working and doesn't complain but with flashes of quality.
He's not gonna win player of the year any time soon, but he's the kind of player you'd want more of in your team hard working and doesn't complain but with flashes of quality.
Exactly. He's basically Ji-Sung Park with better end product.
A decent addition to any squad.
Exactly, and he's very important (or was under benitez) to the liverpool playing system. If they lose Mascherano and Kuyt i dont see them being all that much better than wigan in all honesty, the injury prone gerrard and torres aside.
dont forget Lionel Cole
works very hard, he might just be the hardest worker in football
I hear he trains without the ball
I hear he trains without the ball
Yeah, that's the way I see it.
Which is why I'm always slightly bemused that so many United fans take the mick out of him...
I could understand the Gooners having a laugh at his expense, but not us.
Kuyt is the sort of player that would fit quite nicely into our squad. Hard working, very adaptable and a dead cert for 10 goals and 10 assists. Good injury record too.
Yep, I have never understood the whole "Dirk Kuyt is shite" thing. He puts in a consitent shift on the right. He is no world beater, but then again, you cant have 11 All Stars out there. You need a few who does the dirty work. I understand saying 15M is a bit high, considering he is 30 years old. I'd have thought 10-12M is adequate.
It's the same hatred towards Lucas, yet the same people will rate Anderson. Dont get me wrong, I dont rate Lucas, but I dont think Anderson has proven to be any better yet - & i hope he does soon because Anderson has alot of talent/potential.
Kuyt may not be the most gifted of players, but he does a damn good job for his team. He is effective and consistant.
His level of performance is far higher than many more gifted players.
His level of performance is far higher than many more gifted players.
Didn't know he was 30. That does make the fee seem a bit on the steep side.
I'd agree with that.
He's an important senior player for Liverpool IMO.
The other aspect to look at is with all these players jumping ship how long will Torres hang round? He really is wasting his time at Liverpool.
Until someone coughs up, I guess.
Poor lad got Fabregas'd, I reckon. Fancied a move but nobody could afford him.
It's much easier for the likes of Mashcerano/Kuyt to engineer a move for 15-20m quid but when someone like Fabregas, Torres or Ronaldo has their heart set on moving on it can take a season or two for their next club to rustle up the necessary funds.
The season before last actually. What's your point?
You don't think he was one of Liverpool's better players last season too?
he was gash with the rest of them
or have I missed something here? Surely Pool fans would say the same
Kuyt is one of their more important senior player, if you cant see that you haven't seen them play simple as that.
he was gash with the rest of them
or have I missed something here? Surely Pool fans would say the same
Yup. The concept that a player can still put in decent performances, despite playing for a shit team.
Or are you saying that every team that finished 7th and below consisted of eleven donkeys turning out every week?
Wasn't Liverpool fans angry at Rafa because he kept playing him despite consistently playing like piss!?
I've no idea what Liverpool fans thought. If you're talking about Liverpool fans on the internet, they're generally idiots who can be ignored anyway.
From what I saw, Kuyt was one of the few players that regularly stood up to be counted. Had a good WC too. One of only a handful of PL players you can say that about.
The only game I was impressed with Dirk...was actually against us...
along with Lucas too...hmm..makes you think
along with Lucas too...hmm..makes you think
A bad deal for both parties.
For one, does Inter really need a player like Kuyt? And secondly, Roy will have little time to spend the funds.
For one, does Inter really need a player like Kuyt? And secondly, Roy will have little time to spend the funds.
This is also where the comparisons with Park are very apt. How often do you hear people moaning when Park starts for United, yet the ones with any real knowledge know why it's nessesacary. It's the same for Liverpool, you get the odd numpties thinking they should be playing Aquaman instead of him because he is "attacking" yet don't appreciate how much Kuyt works so the other "attackers" can concentrate on just attacking.
it's not about 'real knowledge' Kuyt was consistently poor last season, a shadow of the player he was in the previous season
Agreed. And partly because he had to play up front a fair bit and he's nowhere near the striker he looked at Feyenoord.
Also since its been mention, he's unlike Park but with better product. He's not the passer or dribbler Park is. And I wouldnt expect a team to cough up £15 million for Park either.
Yeah, nor did I until I read it earlier in the thread. Was he still 28 years old or so, 15M would have been more then adequate, especially considering today's market prices.
10 goals and 3 assists last season, playing for a team in (relative) free-fall.
How often do wide players at United manage that kind of return?
How often do wide players at United manage that kind of return?
Thats nonsense
11 goals and 6 assists in 48 matches for Kuyt.
Rooney had 34 goals and 6 assists in 44
Berbatov had 12 and 7? in 43
Valencia had 7 and 13 in 49
Nani had 5 and 13 in 34
Giggs 7 and 13 in 32
So basically all of our attacking players.
So you just proved that Kuyt is up there with our own wingers, hence I am pretty sure you also won't disagree saying he is as valuable then?
See my edit. He played out wide, comparing him with strikers is unfair.
So basically, he was more prolific than any of our wide players. Playing for a team that finished 7th in the league.
Before you say anything, yes he did play through the centre a few times last season but he mainly played out wide. The season before he played almost exclusively out wide for a team that finished second in the league (i.e. a team that performed as well as United in 09/10) and racked up 14 goals and 10 assists.
Put those stats in your pipe and smoke 'em...
Kuyt is not an average nor shit players.You need hardworking players like him in every football team no matter their positioning.Yes it's amazingly awful (or great from a United's POV) to see such a prolific striker change his game so much but it would be hypocritical to say he's a bad player when we have similar players like him.
You asked who at United had that kind of return and they all did, all had a better return. Sure he scored more goals than Valencia, Nani and Giggs but Kuyt played plenty of games last season up front with Torres injured. Not just on the wing. When compared to either our wingers or strikers, he wasnt as productive.
He did have a very good season in 08/09 yes. I remember, being that I had to tell everyone that while they were saying he was shite on here. But oddly enough an average season later and they rate him higher than they did when he played very well.
Typical Ekeke nonsense rather than admit you're wrong. I'm not even going there anymore.
Cheerio.
He's not though. He played more and produced less. And productivity isnt everything even though its important for a "winger" or a striker as he plays both. His general play for a winger isnt very good and while it worked and he was important for Liverpool in 08/09 with Torres and Gerrard flying and the rest of the team following suit, I felt Kuyt was actually hindering them last season when these players werent in the form of their lives. A real wide player with good general play (and some productivity) would have served them better imo.
You're the one who invited the use of stats and now they are nonsense when they prove you wrong. Typical Pogue Mahone.
Didn't Benitez sign an agreement when he left Liverpool stating he would not attempt to sign any Liverpool players?
Lol you 2, play nice.
IMO Ekeke, the stats you produced, proved "our" point a bit more then your own. Hes "productivity" for assists might have been a bit lower, but then he scored almost double the amount of goals then any of our wingers. Considering he played (as pointed out) for a struggling team, a more defensive team and a team who had their star striker (Torres) out for most of the season, those stats are pretty "on par" - if not better than our wingers.
I agree with you that a "more attack minded" player might have suited Pool better, but that is irrelevant to the main point we were discussing i.e. Kuyt being worth 15M or not.
In today's inflated market I think Kuyt is well worth £15M. He isn't too flashy but sure as hell effective. Plus has a knack of getting an important goal or two.
Granted, it's a good if expensive way of boosting the squad. And Kuyt gets his fair share of goals, isn't half as agricultural as is often portrayed, and his industry is a necessary complement for more gifted team-mates with less defensive interest. Yet for that sort of price you'd normally be looking to improve the quality of the first team. And with Eto'o, Milito, Pandev and Sneijder filling the attacking positions, that won't be the case.