anyone who doesn't think we need a RB is accepting Young will play a good amount of games next season. perhaps you need rethink your priorities.
Koulibaly, Sancho, Wan Bissaka and Rabiot
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Just because someone is picked doesnt mean someone else isnt better. Dalot improves us each time he plays, whether starting or coming off the bench.
I think I must be the only person on this board who isn’t overly sold on Koulibaily. Ever since we’ve been linked with him I’ve tried to watch a bit more of Napoli to see what all the fuss is about, and I really don’t see one of the best CB’s in the world in him.
He’s a good player, yes, but he’s about as good now as he’s going to be, and I don’t think he’s that good. I wouldn’t rate him as playing at a higher level than Lindelof and Smalling are currently playing at, for example. He’s certainly no Van Dijk, as much as our fans want him to be.
For the world record fee he would cost, surely we would be better served looking into a player like Di Ligt or Skriniar.
He’s a good player, yes, but he’s about as good now as he’s going to be, and I don’t think he’s that good. I wouldn’t rate him as playing at a higher level than Lindelof and Smalling are currently playing at, for example. He’s certainly no Van Dijk, as much as our fans want him to be.
For the world record fee he would cost, surely we would be better served looking into a player like Di Ligt or Skriniar.
Dalot has improved us when coming on as a winger, not as a full back. He's been horrendous at times defensively. He will improve for sure but based on this season he's nowhere close to ready for the starting right back position.
Could not agree more. He's pretty susceptible to a brain fart as well.
To be fair he would probably compliment Lindelof stylistically more so than Skriniar but I agree the fees being mooted are just not worth entertaining.
Rabiot: Yes, if Glazernomics are in play we need to sign quality in positions while focusing funds in other positions. Herrera is 30, Matic is 30 and Ole has spoken about how he wants us to outrun all our opposition. Rabiot can play as a 6 and an 8.
Wan Bissaka: No, we have a young RB already. No point in signing another RB. What we lack is competition and cover for Luke Shaw. One injury to him and Young will be starting again and the balance of play is also disrupted. Would prefer Mendy or Alex Telles.
Koulibaly: Yes, best CB in the world.
Sancho: Yes, we have no right winger apart from Lingard. Sancho is already a better player at a Younger age.
Add in Rafael as a free signing. It will be unacceptable if Young plays more than 10 games for us next season. Would rather see Rafael back as cover with Young 5th choice fullback.
Solid 5 signings with the removal of Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Mata and Sanchez. Add in the development of some of the younger players and we could win the league.
Wan Bissaka: No, we have a young RB already. No point in signing another RB. What we lack is competition and cover for Luke Shaw. One injury to him and Young will be starting again and the balance of play is also disrupted. Would prefer Mendy or Alex Telles.
Koulibaly: Yes, best CB in the world.
Sancho: Yes, we have no right winger apart from Lingard. Sancho is already a better player at a Younger age.
Add in Rafael as a free signing. It will be unacceptable if Young plays more than 10 games for us next season. Would rather see Rafael back as cover with Young 5th choice fullback.
Solid 5 signings with the removal of Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Mata and Sanchez. Add in the development of some of the younger players and we could win the league.
I'd echo the general sentiment of the thread - Rabiot looks like bad news to me. I'd steer clear there and look to young talents such as Neves / Pellegrini to fill that role. Pellegrini in particular looks a steal at his buyout.
Again, Bissaka is not the right age profile as Dalot looks superb. Let's go for someone like Meunier / Lala / Sidibie to tide us over the 3/4 years it could take him to really cement his place. As mentioned on another thread I'd even be open to the return of everybody's favourite Rafael as a temporary measure (and let's be honest, who doesn't want to see this guy in a UTD shirt again?).
Sancho & De-Ligt are generational talents who would fit us like a glove in my opinion. Let's ride this wave of positivity and finally land a young core of top players to take us forward.
Alternatives to these two for me would be Militao / Pepe, perhaps Upamecano although I've not seen any of him this season ?
Again, Bissaka is not the right age profile as Dalot looks superb. Let's go for someone like Meunier / Lala / Sidibie to tide us over the 3/4 years it could take him to really cement his place. As mentioned on another thread I'd even be open to the return of everybody's favourite Rafael as a temporary measure (and let's be honest, who doesn't want to see this guy in a UTD shirt again?).
Sancho & De-Ligt are generational talents who would fit us like a glove in my opinion. Let's ride this wave of positivity and finally land a young core of top players to take us forward.
Alternatives to these two for me would be Militao / Pepe, perhaps Upamecano although I've not seen any of him this season ?
I don't think any other club would pay the reported fee for Koulibaly. And we shouldn't either. Spend big on 18-25 year olds. Build for the future.
If we’re looking for a dominant, mature partner to play alongside the iceman, then we would be better served going after Alderweireld, who’s meant to be available for 25 mill this summer. I rate him as on par with Koulibaily.
Obviously my first choice would be for the club to go after a player like Di Ligt, who’s already excellent but still has a lot of scope for development, but if we’re going the mature route Toby makes more sense.
It would be nice to buy a LCB so that we can utilize Lindelöf’s foot on the right.
I'd be very happy with that, except from Rabiot, who thinks he's a lot better than he is.
CB there's room for experience. Koulibaly isn't that old btw. 27. add in the bonus that he's left footed and 4 of our current centre back prefer RCB there's a good case to be made. I'd be very happy with de ligt but koulibaly is my number 1 choice.
wtf
he's predominantly left footed and plays LCB no?
Anytime I watch him, when he tries to play any precise and more complicated pass its with his right foot. So I'd definitely say predominantly right footed anytime I've seen him. However he can obviously use either foot to play normal passes and I think he can use either foot to tackle with
There is talk Ole wants a long term view with his signings, so with that my vote will be :
CB: De Ligt or Milenkovic
CM: Rice
RW: Sancho
Out: Sanchez, Darmian, Valencia, Rojo
CB: De Ligt or Milenkovic
CM: Rice
RW: Sancho
Out: Sanchez, Darmian, Valencia, Rojo
What's wrong with this thread?
Bissakka is useless going forward. I want an attacking FB.
You have identified the 4 positions that need an upgrade. Howeva it seems very unlikely that United will be able to get all this done in one window. CB, RB and RW are the most urgent ones. Another midfielder should be a lower priority than those 3.
Koulibaly is legit.
Think it is more likely that we will sign a RW,CB and CM. Doesn't seem much talk on a RB
Agree with this. Rice should be a main target in the next 2 summers.
Playing devils advocate against the general consensus on Rabiot.
Given he's only young and has looked excellent on occasion, is it worth taking a punt if we can get him given his contract situation?. I imagine he would be quite easy to move on if he started upsetting the current harmony in the squad.
If we were thinking of making a bid I would take some comfort in the fact we have Pogba and Martial who I'm sure could help settle him, and I'm guessing they would be consulted about his real personality before we made a bid, although thinking about it Pogba maybe isn't best placed to comment on anyone's potential for rebellion.
I guess the main risk would be another potential Sanchez situation, if he asked for crazy wages to offset the lack of a transfer fee as seems to be the trend, we may struggle to move him on.
Another thought, weren't Barca nailed on for him?.
Given he's only young and has looked excellent on occasion, is it worth taking a punt if we can get him given his contract situation?. I imagine he would be quite easy to move on if he started upsetting the current harmony in the squad.
If we were thinking of making a bid I would take some comfort in the fact we have Pogba and Martial who I'm sure could help settle him, and I'm guessing they would be consulted about his real personality before we made a bid, although thinking about it Pogba maybe isn't best placed to comment on anyone's potential for rebellion.
I guess the main risk would be another potential Sanchez situation, if he asked for crazy wages to offset the lack of a transfer fee as seems to be the trend, we may struggle to move him on.
Another thought, weren't Barca nailed on for him?.
I mentioned it in the other thread but people should watch Kenny Lala this season. Having a great season - quick, great passing skills and has provided 6 assists this season. 3-4 goals too maybe. Good on set pieces too
Considering he is 27, a perfect age until Dalot settles in
It's his one good season though, and as you say at 27 could easily just be a flash in the pan type player.
I think the 'his a bad apple' shtick is over played with Rabiot. People forget a Cantona for instance was literally a pariah in France before moving to England. Yet look how that turned out. He instead proved an example to others rather than a bad influence.....We seriously should not pass the opportunity of looking at a player of that talent who is available for nothing.
Exactly. Suarez was also trouble but look what he did for Liverpool and Barcelona. Part of being a great manager is to be able to manage big or troublesome personalities, and who is to say that Ole won't be able to manage Rabiot properly as Fergie once did with Eric Cantona. Plus he is free!
My transfer wishlist is pretty much the same with this. Only difference is Meunier replaces Wan Bissaka
I could see Rabiot doing well on the left with Herrera as his partner on the right and Pogba at their front. We would be winning back balls easily which would help us out a lot on the counter
With this set of transfers we could end up spending a maximum of 230m which seems reasonable for these set of players
Thinking about it there are very limited set of good DMs that can pick out a pass that will be available in the summer. I see a lot of Ruben Neves but I can't see him in a United shirt.
I could see Rabiot doing well on the left with Herrera as his partner on the right and Pogba at their front. We would be winning back balls easily which would help us out a lot on the counter
With this set of transfers we could end up spending a maximum of 230m which seems reasonable for these set of players
Thinking about it there are very limited set of good DMs that can pick out a pass that will be available in the summer. I see a lot of Ruben Neves but I can't see him in a United shirt.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Wan-Bissaka?
I'd take a punt on Felix. Him, Sancho and De Ligt. Add JWP for good measure.
DDG (Romero)
DALOT (Young)
LINDELÖF (Jones)
DE LIGT (Smalling)
SHAW (Academy player)
MATIC (Scott)
HERRERA (JWP)
POGBA (Fred)
SANCHO (Lingard)
RASHFORD (Lukaku)
MARTIAL (Felix)
Reserves: Grant, Perreira, Tuanzebe, Greenwood etc
DALOT (Young)
LINDELÖF (Jones)
DE LIGT (Smalling)
SHAW (Academy player)
MATIC (Scott)
HERRERA (JWP)
POGBA (Fred)
SANCHO (Lingard)
RASHFORD (Lukaku)
MARTIAL (Felix)
Reserves: Grant, Perreira, Tuanzebe, Greenwood etc
JWP?
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I wonder if Wan Bissaka could have put in the sort of performance as Dalot did against PSG
Reading this thread and I’m noticing a lot don’t rate rabiot due to his “bad attitude”. Due we really have a choice given he is Better than all our midfielders except pogba? He also has the ideal contract situation which would cost a lot less money.
We are currently a counter attacking team given our midfield setup but adding a player like rabiot with his great ball retention and passing abilities adds a different dimension against quality sides. Can play as a 6 or 8 depending on ole and the opposition. It’s a good risk given the circumstances guys. Let’s not let a terrible organization like PSG damage the reputation of a player that wants to play football.
I’d be devastated if we let a player of his quality go to Tottenham or Arsenal. Especially when it’s clear we do need upgrades in midfield at some point. Look at the Ramsey situation, teams like Juventus remain dominant over the years because they get the value in the market.
We are currently a counter attacking team given our midfield setup but adding a player like rabiot with his great ball retention and passing abilities adds a different dimension against quality sides. Can play as a 6 or 8 depending on ole and the opposition. It’s a good risk given the circumstances guys. Let’s not let a terrible organization like PSG damage the reputation of a player that wants to play football.
I’d be devastated if we let a player of his quality go to Tottenham or Arsenal. Especially when it’s clear we do need upgrades in midfield at some point. Look at the Ramsey situation, teams like Juventus remain dominant over the years because they get the value in the market.
yes he looks a decent prospect
I'd say you are talking 40/50m minimum unless Saints went down
might be better shopping for someone in the Dalot category as I'd like to think we are all in for Sancho, De Ligt and a right back who are higher priority - deffo 200m plus for those players
It's more that he looks like he could consistently put in the defensive performance Young did once Dalot came on at RW.
This is tasty
Agreed with the exits as well
Agreed
Lots of noise around Sancho, I really can’t see Dortmund selling him at this point, feels a year too early unless we offer crazy money for him.