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Tottenham are in the running apparently. Had a fantastic game against Dortmund recently. I don’t know a whole lot about him though to comment
He wouldn’t really solve our lack of creativity from the deep midfield position though. We’d be buying another Fred.
Bit of a lazy conclusion. I'd rather get a player fitting a system well than get someone who is creative for the fun of it. Pogba hasn't exactly been a shining light since he joined us.He wouldn’t really solve our lack of creativity from the deep midfield position though. We’d be buying another Fred.
Creativity is not our problem, it seems it because our midfield and balance is dysfunctional. We have nothing on our right so all our creative play is down the left. Secondly, whenever we are defending, the opposition always look like they have an extra player, this is because our midfield is not compact and solid.
He wouldn’t really solve our lack of creativity from the deep midfield position though. We’d be buying another Fred.
Bit of a lazy conclusion. I'd rather get a player fitting a system well than get someone who is creative for the fun of it. Pogba hasn't exactly been a shining light since he joined us.
That’s because they often do, and I don’t think Laimer solves it, because he isn’t a DM and will not replace Bruno. So effectively, he will likely just take Fred’s place and do the same thing. I think a lot of other teams use defenders to help occupy the midfield on transition, or more likely, they play with 3 proper midfielders in the first place. Unless we do either of those, I think we will still get outnumbered centrally.
100%. Just from FBRef alone, this guy is in the 99th percentile for pressing across all midfielders in Europe's top 5 leagues. That's great. But the number of passes he attempts per 90 minutes puts him in the 48th percentile (exact same as McTominay), and in terms of actual pass accuracy he's in the 24th percentile, which is really crap for a midfielder.There is also an argument that we should be building a midfield firstly for what they can do with the ball than what they do without it.
Doesn't look like he is, see above.If he is better than Fred on the ball, then its an upgrade in my eyes.
It's just about energy, he will need to be taught how to press in a disciplined way. That has been our problem, too few players with the energy to press for the majority of the game, but they do it in a half arsed way. I might be nice to half one player in there who doesn't need teaching.I know what you mean, Fred gives us the energy. I won't claim to know alot about this guy, so I am not going to say he will change things. If he is better than Fred on the ball, then its an upgrade in my eyes. We are toothless without the ball, we make it so easy for teams to play, I dont know how its so bad. When we attack, it seems every player has 1/2 players marking them.
You can't really be a pressing machine and be on the ball 24/7, it just doesn't correlate like that. I'd certainly say he's a similar player to Fred though. As long as he is tidy on the ball that's the main thing.100%. Just from FBRef alone, this guy is in the 99th percentile for pressing across all midfielders in Europe's top 5 leagues. That's great. But the number of passes he attempts per 90 minutes puts him in the 48th percentile (exact same as McTominay), and in terms of actual pass accuracy he's in the 24th percentile, which is really crap for a midfielder.
Doesn't look like he is, see above.
You're correct, but then that's the question; do we want a rather reactive midfield who excel off the ball, or do we want one who can play around on it? Are we looking more for a Laimer style of player, or a Ruben Neves?You can't really be a pressing machine and be on the ball 24/7, it just doesn't correlate like that. I'd certainly say he's a similar player to Fred though. As long as he is tidy on the ball that's the main thing.
I imagine we're going to need both.You're correct, but then that's the question; do we want a rather reactive midfield who excel off the ball, or do we want one who can play around on it? Are we looking more for a Laimer style of player, or a Ruben Neves?
I imagine we're going to need both.
Most modern 4-3-3 systems use 2 pressers at the front and a CDM/DLP to dictate play from deeper positions.
I suspect Laimer would be rotation with Fred, and we'd use the likes of Garner/Rice/Kamara whoever you like as the CDM.
Either way he's another body we really need that fits the mould of what we want from a midfielder. He'd also be great for the budget and wages won't be very high at all.
We surely can't force our new manager to do this though, the manager will want to play how they want to playThis is another issue though. We don’t use a ‘modern 433’, we have, now more than ever, committed to a 4231 with a 10. I’ve said for a while, but the issue with our midfield is as much the shape of it as it is personnel.
If they aren't working off the ball, it doesn't matter what they can do with it. Wjinaldum, Henderson, Keita, etc. aren't creative midfielders. They're flat 3 workhorses who are able to do the simple things extremely well.There is also an argument that we should be building a midfield firstly for what they can do with the ball than what they do without it.
Laimer is a good player if the aim is to implement a counter pressing strategy in a compact high block to force quick counters. He'd fit into Pochettino and Rangnick's way of thinking, because neither coach looks to control the game in possession and instead the aforementioned two place a heavy emphasis on winning the ball back high up the pitch by utilising high energy midfielders, which Laimer is stylistically a fit for.@Adnan is a fan, if I remember correctly
Agreed. Hopefully his follow up to DAMN this year will be just as impressive.Good kid MAAD city was a classic
We surely can't force our new manager to do this though, the manager will want to play how they want to play
If they aren't working off the ball, it doesn't matter what they can do with it. Wjinaldum, Henderson, Keita, etc. aren't creative midfielders. They're flat 3 workhorses who are able to do the simple things extremely well.
ETH for example, if he joins, will undoubtedly leverage the full backs more and that's where our technical upgrades will be most visible. A pressing player of Laimer's ilk is long overdue in the middle of the park.
Both Pochetinno's and Ten Hag go to formation seem to be 4231 so We won't be forcing anything on them in that regard but whether Bruno is good enough to play for them as No 10 is different thing all together .Well this is where the whole Paul Merson argument comes into it. I think we have already forced our next manager into a situation where he will need to line up with a 10, at least for a long time before we accept we should probably play differently, which is a problem that we will not want and try to delay for ever and ever and keep trying to make a 4231 work.
It's just about energy, he will need to be taught how to press in a disciplined way. That has been our problem, too few players with the energy to press for the majority of the game, but they do it in a half arsed way. I might be nice to half one player in there who doesn't need teaching.
One is not sufficient. I'd also argue we are yet to see the best of Fred. In a pressing system he can be an huge huge gem in the side but it's not yet been seen. Fred's better performances are under Rangnick as he's one of the few who appears to listen to the instructions.We have one in Fred. And absolutely, we need our midfielders to work off the ball. That should also be a given.
And we are very unlikely to get what Liverpool get from Trent and Henderson from whoever we play.
We always just seem to back off players as well, we don't even do it by driving them into less dangerous areas. We just let them run straight towards our goal. We aren't good at tactical fouls either, we let them get too near and then give stupid freekicks on the edge of the box which put us in danger.I think this is a major problem from the Jose days where our players do not know how to press or occupy spaces where they can intercept. More often than not, a good midfielder passes through our midfield and we chasing back.
Fred, McT, Pogba, Bruno, are all attacking minded, none of them know the role of a defensive minded midfielder who can smell danger.
Agreed. Hopefully his follow up to DAMN this year will be just as impressive.