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Not having that, it’s more and more a young man’s game now, there’s plenty of players starting regularly for PL clubs at 19-20 nowHave to keep remembering how young he is, especially for the position he plays.
At 20 he should just now be getting mins here or there. This is the first we should be seeing of him really.
Not having that, it’s more and more a young man’s game now, there’s plenty of players starting regularly for PL clubs at 19-20 now
The thing is Cleverley was good at was having a bit of urgency and crispness in his passing, playing quick 1-2's and making himself available for a pass. All attributes that we lack in midfield.As someone who loved him playing for the academy, I'm so disappointed in him this season. The only thing he seems to do well now is navigating tight inside left spaces.
His passing is Tom cleverly level at the moment.
Well he’s been playing more as a ten.Think a move away from Manchester and this two man midfield would be best for his development.
Was a much better player under Ten Hag and Southgate.
The issue is not his age, it’s how ineffective he is in CM most of the time. He has ability in moments, but he has no athleticism to play as an 8, and I don’t see him with the progressive passing to dictate play as a 6.Not in CM there isn't.
And definitely not at big clubs where the pressure is on.
How are you not having it. Young players need time. We can't just pretend that isn't a thing anymore.
The issue is not his age, it’s how ineffective he is in CM most of the time. He has ability in moments, but he has no athleticism to play as an 8, and I don’t see him with the progressive passing to dictate play as a 6.
Shhhh last season when he was playing CM for England did not happenWhat position was he last season when he was praised by pretty much everyone?
Cleverly had better passing no doubt.The thing is Cleverley was good at was having a bit of urgency and crispness in his passing, playing quick 1-2's and making himself available for a pass. All attributes that we lack in midfield.
Because Mainoo would be the first overhyped English player. Such a rarity.Shhhh last season when he was playing CM for England did not happen
I’ve more concerns on his pace and ability to cover ground. I’d bet he’s in the top 3 slowest players at the club.He needs a serious pre season to get fitter, because he would be an outrageous talent with some more physical ability. I so want him to make it here, but his physicality is such a lingering question for me.
Its not about being overhyped or not. Its about saying he can’t do something we clearly saw him doing when he is only 20Because Mainoo would be the first overhyped English player. Such a rarity.
Because Mainoo would be the first overhyped English player. Such a rarity.
Depends what you mean by we saw him do. England played crap at the Euros, winning one game in the group stage (very easy group), beating Slovakia (in extra time after barely drawing), drawing with Switzerland, beating Netherlands (only good result), losing to Spain.Its not about being overhyped or not. Its about saying he can’t do something we clearly saw him doing when he is only 20
Depends what you mean by we saw him do. England played crap at the Euros, winning one game in the group stage (very easy group), beating Slovakia (in extra time after barely drawing), drawing with Switzerland, beating Netherlands (only good result), losing to Spain.
I am not confident he will play a big role for United or England again.
Agreed, but I feel like under Erik he did cover the ground better than I've seen him do recently. I know with England he had Rice covering the ground for him, but Id like to think its a fitness thing this season.I’ve more concerns on his pace and ability to cover ground. I’d bet he’s in the top 3 slowest players at the club.
Hopefully but if it is his natural athletic state to be like this then he can’t play in a midfield two and needs to develop more into a 10 where his quick feet would be more useful around the penalty box.Agreed, but I feel like under Erik he did cover the ground better than I've seen him do recently. I know with England he had Rice covering the ground for him, but Id like to think its a fitness thing this season.
His lack if pace was obvious even under ETH to be honest. Still it really depends on the makeup and setup of the side. If Amorim wants athletic midfielders and not to compensate for having a player that doesn’t fit that then he can’t play CM probably for Amorim.Agreed, but I feel like under Erik he did cover the ground better than I've seen him do recently. I know with England he had Rice covering the ground for him, but Id like to think its a fitness thing this season.
Yep, he nearly did a carbon copy of his goal against Lyon today, that does appear to be his strength.Hopefully but if it is his natural athletic state to be like this then he can’t play in a midfield two and needs to develop more into a 10 where his quick feet would be more useful around the penalty box.
Yeah, but he managed to be box to box under Erik. It just left Casemiro or anyone completely exposed. Amorim isn't alone in that regard though, look at all the top teams in the prem's midfields.His lack if pace was obvious even under ETH to be honest. Still it really depends on the makeup and setup of the side. If Amorim wants athletic midfielders and not to compensate for having a player that doesn’t fit that then he can’t play CM probably.
It wouldnt be that bad if the rest of the side was physically up to it. The was the squad is now its highlighted e.g even under ETH being partnered with CasemiroYeah, but he managed to be box to box under Erik. It just left Casemiro or anyone completely exposed. Amorim isn't alone in that regard though, look at all the top teams in the prem's midfields.
Which he will never be in the Premier League. He's a good dribbler for a midfielder but not for an offensive player. His shooting and creative passing are also quite average.Well he’s been playing more as a ten.
He’s a great dribbler in tight spaces. Has shown himself to be a very good finisher and his short passing is very good, but yes he lacks maybe that finesse for that final slip ball through. If he plays in a midfield three he pretty much has to be the one who positions himself mostly in the final third because his recovery pace and industry in midfield isn’t good enough. He can’t be a 6, as an 8 he probably can’t get up and down the pitch enough so he either has to be a midfielder in a team of one pivot behind two 8s (with one being the more offensive) or a 10.Which he will never be in the Premier League. He's a good dribbler for a midfielder but not for an offensive player. His shooting and creative passing are also quite average.
He's a great dribbler for a midfielder, not for one of the 3 offensive players in the team. No team will worry about Mainoo's dribbling, even if you compare him to players like Eze, Adingra, Kluivert in this league. He can dribble well to keep the ball, but not beat defenders.He’s a great dribbler in tight spaces. Has shown himself to be a very good finisher and his short passing is very good, but yes he lacks maybe that finesse for that final slip ball through. If he plays in a midfield three he pretty much has to be the one who positions himself mostly in the final third because his recovery pace and industry in midfield isn’t good enough. He can’t be a 6, as an 8 he probably can’t get up and down the pitch enough so he either has to be a midfielder in a team of one pivot behind two 8s (with one being the more offensive) or a 10.
He’s also still only 20.
I mean him and most of this squad, I know that we're going to commit to Amorim's system this summer and next season, but I do think it's worrying that no one has actually improved since he's been with the club. Mainoo definitely needs to work in his range of passing, right now he's slowly becoming this weird version of not really being an 8 or a 10.I can't work him out. I know he's coming back from injury but he's just slow, rigid in his movements, and he's always had problems with his stamina. He's not a central midfielder. I'm not sure he's aggressive or tenacious enough to be one of those number 10's. I can't work out how he fits into this side.
Mainoo played very well at the Euros as a regular starter at 19 years old. What do you get out of spinning everything negatively regarding a player at a club you support? He was excellent last season for United and England at the Euros. Nothing you say can change that.Depends what you mean by we saw him do. England played crap at the Euros, winning one game in the group stage (very easy group), beating Slovakia (in extra time after barely drawing), drawing with Switzerland, beating Netherlands (only good result), losing to Spain.
I am not confident he will play a big role for United or England again.
I think to get the best out of Mainoo he needs to play in a midfield three, and not one that includes Bruno Fernandes, who is more of a traditional 10 then he is a midfielder. If he played with, as an example, a midfield three of Toni Kroos, Kante and himself I think we would see the best out of him, all different styles of players that would compliment each other and each bring something different to the midfield. Not sure where he will fit in with Amorim's system, but I certainly don't want to see him leave, he's young enough he can adapt to Amorim's tactics.
