Some people want to be contrarian or didn't watch the match. Even the commentators mentioned how calm and composed he was under pressure. That goal-saving block alone is worth a 7/10
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Some people want to be contrarian or didn't watch the match. Even the commentators mentioned how calm and composed he was under pressure. That goal-saving block alone is worth a 7/10
Even though his passing was excellent, was the best pass completion rate in our team, and not at all worthy of any criticism - "8 times" can be seen as "a lot" in a certain context to be fair.
For example, if I told you I'd cheated on my missus 8 times, you'd say, "that's quite a lot".
Bizarre view. He was a really talented young player.
We need another compose young midfield and we will be set for the next 10 years. If Mainoo can avoid injury, he will be United mainstay for a long long time. That goal line clearance and couple of last ditch tackle and block shows he knows where is the danger spots. You can also see Everton decided not to press him as he always manage to get himself out of trouble. I think they rather Mainoo release the ball to McTominay or Bruno so they can win the ball back easily. Mainoo is here to stay and if we can develop the young core, we will be good in 3-4 years down the road. Garnacho, Mainoo, Hoijund, Amad, Pellestri and more. Exciting time will come when it happen.
Has anyone seen any highlight packages of his touches and involvements yesterday? If so, please link.
That is a fair assessment but the problem with Hannibal is when we don't have the ball. He just seems to move around and chase the ball (a bit like Bruno) and that is just easy to play through. He doesn't seem like a midfielder to me, just another AM in the squad.
All the posters on here who called the idea of players being press resistant "hipster" and "useless", this performance was the definition of why it matters.
Who has actually said that?
So bizarre that is was correct? He never had the dynamism/out and out pace for how he wanted to play. I remember people assumed he would develop physically but he never did.
Does he start Wednesday evening?
You've got him all wrong. He wasn't a player who needed pace. We were using him as if he was a new Ronaldo. That isn't what he was. He was more David Silva. Kid was a playmaker and had the attributes. I don't deny that he was arguably partly to blame for how his career has panned out, however, we did him no favours after he broke into the side.
BEFORE his 18th bday, Bellingham had 2 full seasons under his belt. One in the championship and the other in Germany playing champs league football. He was ready.
I swear to all things wholy, if Mainoo finishes the seasons with 6 starts and we’re instead watching McT, Amrabat and Eriksen struggle through matches I’m gonna lose my s hi t
Mainoo, like Bellingham was, is ready
I swear to all things wholy, if Mainoo finishes the seasons with 6 starts and we’re instead watching McT, Amrabat and Eriksen struggle through matches I’m gonna lose my s hi t
Mainoo, like Bellingham was, is ready
Who takes his place?
To even mention him alongside someone like Silva is bonkers, he was technically very good but really what else was so standout? Nothing against him, he's had a very solid career in various top flight leagues but just because a player is technically good and shows some nice passes/touches (in a good team remember) doesn't mean they are destined to be a great player. You can argue we didn't really play with a position that would perfectly suit him but then that goes for so many other players who have come here.
He's first team. People are just assuming he's been sitting on the bench this whole time when he was injured. You can tell that the manager trusts him with his pre season comments and his start with the first teamers against Arsenal.
As long as he stays fit he'll get plenty of game time this season.
I really hope he gets more starts (yes I'm biased). I am a firm believer in "if they're good enough, they're old enough". We only have to look at Garnacho or Rashford in recent history.
Only player I can think of is perhaps a young Wilshere.
Quite a few people on this forum to be fair. Same people used to say the same thing about patterns of play.
Not bonkers at all because I'm speaking stylistically. After all, David Silva was a very different type of player to Cristiano Ronaldo. Also, Januzaj wasn't in a good team. He broke through under Moyes and was the only ray of light at the time. Januzaj, despite not being lightening quick, had decent acceleration for a player of his type. He was technically very good, shown signs of excellent vision and was a very capable dribbler while being a decent passer to boot.
Mad to say that he, out of anyone in the team at 18, is the one player who should be starting away at Gala. It's one of the most hostile grounds in Europe and his calmness on the ball is exactly what is required.
Dare I say it, he could be the player that takes us from rudimentary counter-attacking football, to a possession based system...if we make the right moves in the next few windows. Ingoings and outgoings that is.
That's because they're stupid/annoying phrases, which never needed to be invented. You could watch that exact same performance 30 years ago and not be stuck for words to describe what he did well. He was comfortable in possession and good on the ball. That's all that matters. Not this stupid notion that footballers can be divided into binary categories of "press resistant" and "not press resistant"
I'm generally a pretty crap judge of players, but his technique on the ball really stood out as being unusually good. For our team at least anyway, I don't watch much other football.
Very promising debut
Very promising debut
Yes but the spectrum of players isn't simply David Silva to Ronaldo...it's like saying Garner has been good with Everton, he's a good passer who can sit deep therefore, he's like Carrick or Amad looked good on loan so he's like Robben... Januzaj had those skills you mentioned but then so do many professional players and was in a team that had just won the league - yes we had older heads but it was a lot more stable that these days.
I don't see the issue in using widely known stars as a point of reference from a stylistic point of view. The 13/14 season was far from stable.
Brilliant debut in that position. His mature game was so beautifle to see. Calm and easy on the ball, great positioning and controlled the game.
It is early but there is something special in that kid. You can see that.
It is early but there is something special in that kid. You can see that.
I just think the level is so far apart it's just pointless, bar playing a similar position there aren't that many similarities. Yeah fair, it wasn't stable but I guess we were missing the track record of volatility we have now.
Bloody boomer. Shouldn't bother you that much.
How much does it bother me, exactly?I think Onana missing for Everton actually made a big difference to Everton's showing. Still fantastic debut for our boy. Let's hope he'll carry that into the Gala match.I think what’s really important to note is that it’s us fans and pundits cooing whilst for Mainoo, it looked like a stroll in the park; completely unphased and playing like it was his 200th game rather than his full pro debut. I don’t know what registers in his own head as a great performance, but for him, this looked like nothing he wentwhen he got off the pitch.
he’s got some much better midfields coming than what Everton served up, and it’s going to be really interesting to see if that flusters him in any way, shape or form.
Just my personal view I guess. A bit like how some are using De Jong as a stylistic reference for Mainoo. True, we are well versed in all that nonsense by now.
The confidence in Hannibal is based largely on his youth team showings I believe, certainly in my case anyway. He’s not a player who just runs and kicks people at all. Maybe he will never show the qualities he possesses on the ball at this level, but I suspect if given enough time, he will. He’s technically very strong and used to run games in the reserves. He has grace to go with his grit for sure - but as someone who rates him, I agree that I haven’t been as impressed as some others with his first team showings this season. That is because I believe he is capable of a lot more.
My feeling is he will take a little more time to bring his full game to this level. Whether he gets that time or not is of course another matter.
Being press resistant is a bigger requirement now than it was over 10 years ago in the EPL. And the reason for that is quite simply due to how teams have evolved tactically in England where they've adopted a method which provokes opposition into making mistakes In their defensive third. Building play from the back by circumnavigating the oppositions coordinated pressing structures is an absolute requirement in the game today if the aim is to dominate the ball in possession and out of possession by pressing intelligently to force the opposition into making errors and thus forcing them to turn over possession.
There was a time when the likes of Michels, Cruyff and Sacchi etc were referred to as being ideologues due to their defined method of play. But right now that very same idea has become mainstream and many fans are struggling to understand the change in concept. Hence it seems the managers post Fergie have been building teams from a bygone era whilst the likes of Guardiola and Klopp have adopted the methods of the aforementioned 'ideologues' and developed their teams with the same strategies for the present day.
Not just the midfielders but also the CBs being press resistant along with the GK is also a requirement. The bar has been raised significantly.
Having players who are press resistant is a real requirement or else you will struggle to over come a well coordinated press. The clip below is a good example of what we should be aiming for under a coach like EtH.
Thiago has had a very successful career but I don't think he came all that close to fulfilling his potential. That's how special he was. Just a brilliant talent and a player who I was desperate for us to sign many years ago.
Liverpool in the cup - I think it was his full debut? maybe not?
Anyway in no way on a downer with Mainoo, it was a great to see and I like all the positivity - just some of the definitives in the talk around him is pretty nuts
As a newbie you should learn to respect your elders otherwise that's what you'll always be
Agreed. He was technically even better than Fabregas and when Fabregas went to Barca and played with the likes of Xavi it was obvious that Fabregas wasn't on the same technical level when it came to progressing play in confined spaces to the great Xavi. Thiago was the closest player in that regard but having Xavi and Iniesta meant he had to settle for a side role hence he joined Bayern in his early 20s. I think injuries have stopped him fulfilling his potential but even then he had a great career and won the lot.
Very slick passing, very press resistant, knows when to go forward, keeps it simple. Great performance and looks very cultured for his age.
I'm asking who on the forum has said that being press resistant is "hipster" or useless.
It’s not as simple as that.
Playing for United is a whole different level of pressure compare to Dortmund, let alone Birmingham. His appearances will need to be managed, as well as the public expectation, because make no mistake, the moment he has a really bad game, and it’s very likely to happen sooner or later, the knives will be out.
After what he did last season, EtH was called to be sack by maybe a third of this forum after a rough start to the season. Imagine a 18 year old facing the same kind of treatment.
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