If he's a great player in the making then it won't make a difference as it didn't with all the other great young players that were hyped when they were young.
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That logic assumes that there are no great young players who didn’t become great players because of the pressure heaped on their shoulders at any early age. That no careers were adversely affected by overwhelming expectations or being overplayed. It’s right in that it didn’t affect some great young players who went on to become great players irrespective of the amount of pressure out on them, but to say it doesn’t matter ignores an entire data subset of great young players who amounted to nothing, or much less than the hype anticipated, and makes no commentary on how much that pressure and expectation was to blame for their failure to make it. Your post basically says, if he’s great, then he’s going to be great regardless. And if that’s the case, then why not ignore all aspects of his environment? Or indeed all aspects of player development.
In short, your post is worthless.
Palmer is from Wythenshawe (same place as Rashford), which is mainly full of reds. Stockport is more blue than red but still there's a decent percentage of people living who are United fans.
Haaland is probably 200m in today's market if no buyout clause.
Rice and Mainoo are different players. Like comparing Busquets and Yaya Toure.
This.
Mainoo has all the tools. If his name was Mainoovinga, half the Caf will be pleading United to get him.
Why is he worth so much? Look around the world and find a midfielder who is hard to press, strong on the ball, technically strong, efficient in passing, good in the air, intelligent, humble and… doing it all at 18 in the Premier League, against the best of the best, in an extremely fluctuating form team.
Gold. They are very very rare.
The bolded part is just nonsense, sorry.
It's a pointless comparison anyways. Mainoo will never be able to do the job Rice does at #6, and Rice will never be able to do what Mainoo does at #8. Both can play in each other's positions, but then they are both somewhat wasted. Funnily enough, they're basically the perfect midfield partners for each other.
I think it's really close and I'd probably take Rodri, because relative to his position he's better. The gap between Rodri and say the 10th best DM in the world is bigger than the gap between De Bruyne and the 10th best #10.
Like if you control for ages/future value on Transfrmarket, the 10th best DM right now would be like Ruben Neves, Calhanoglu or Kamara at Villa. The 10 best AM would be like Paqueta or Olmo, and I'd probably slightly prefer:
Olmo/Paqueta-#8
------------Rodri-------
than:
#8----------De Bruyne
---Neves/Kamara---
From what I saw last night was the England players looked a bit hesitant to pass to Mainoo at first - he was in the middle and Stones and Maguire could have given him the ball a few times but they looked like they didn't trust him / didn't want to push it with him just yet. That will come with time. But Mainoo settled in there extremely quickly against Brazil who are, at the end of the day, still a great side, and he had a LOT of touches in that last 15 minutes, and didn't misplace many if any. Couldn't have asked for more, really.
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This is pretty mad after mainoo has played a few games. Now if you were to compare him to hendo...
So happy for Kobbie.
Give him time as he needs to develop more aspects of his football knowledge but the boy is doing good.
Give him time as he needs to develop more aspects of his football knowledge but the boy is doing good.
It's Foden that comes from there isn't it. I got it wrong.
If the option is him or Gallagher, then there’s really no option at all. The only players who should be potentially starting in midfield for England potentially over him is a change of system to incorporate foden of Maddison, or a player like Trent. Other than that he should be slotted in between Rice and Bellingham. Players like Gallagher for England are exactly why we never win anything.
I didn't say ignore all aspects of a players development or player development did I now really? Also you chucked in being overplayed while young which wasn't what I was saying either, you're just trying to bulk up your side to win. Which is in my opinion a worthless endeavour.
My point simply is when people say look let's not get carried away. I'm like hey why not these are exiting times for these young lads and us fans as well.
Rashford and Palmer from Wythenshawe, Mainoo and Foden from Stockport (Cheadle, Edgeley)
I can’t refute your point but isn’t it possible that the sample size from Mainoo just isn’t large enough yet to come to this conclusion? To each our own but the way I would put it is that Mainoo at his age vastly superior to Rice at 18, and “vastly superior” is is no way an exaggeration.
Mainoo seems to have that fluidity of movement when under pressure that you just can’t coach. My only worry is if he gets his head turned by Madrid at some point in the next couple of seasons.
Ffs
so many of you have Madrid PTSD.They can’t sign everyone! He is a local lad, if we’re back to winning ways he won’t go anywhere.
Ffs
They can’t sign everyone! He is a local lad, if we’re back to winning ways he won’t go anywhere.
that’s a big “if” but I hope you’re right!
Do you reckon Gareth actually has plans for him in the short term? Or was the turnaround just to get him locked down in an england shirt and avoid any chancd of him beinv poached by the other country in the frame (forget which)
If we have a player who Madrid will spend close to nine figures on then we're finally doing something right. Who was the last player Madrid would have dropped a £100m+ on that played for us?
Rooney maybe, but not in his later years.
More than a decade ago
I'd say he's recognised what every other coach has recognised, Mainoo is a prodigy with a cool head on his shoulders. He plays the game like he's well into his prime, never takes unnecessary risks but absolutely backs his own talent, which is massive. Even Southgate isn't blind enough to miss what this lad is about.
Hel probably still start Henderson or Gallagher ahead of him
Maybe, he's easily better than both of them though.
Rewatched his cameo. Hold my hands up, was harsh on the lad. Apologies for any offence caused.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/PbW1VKrXQq
It's Martin Samuel, and I haven't read the article, and don't intend to.
But I agree that England need to start Mainoo. More so if the alternatives are Gallagher and Henderson.
It's Martin Samuel, and I haven't read the article, and don't intend to.
But I agree that England need to start Mainoo. More so if the alternatives are Gallagher and Henderson.
Mainoo Rice Bellingham is perhaps the best midfield in international football. So Southgate will play Henderson.
A lot of our fans tend to overlook (or just don’t understand) how much Mainoo needs to work on his off the ball game to really compete at the highest level. That being said Henderson and Gallagher are really limited and Mainoo should still start ahead of them.
I’d be excited if he gets to start at the EC, or if he at least makes the squad. It’d be a great experience for him, he could learn a lot from Rice and he’d be even more awesome for us next year.
I know he's only 18 but his class is obvious. I'm usually very cautious about United players and err on the side of caution, but with Mainoo I would have him in midfield alongside Bellingham and it doesn't really matter that much who else is in there out of the other midfielders, that is a top class midfield.
That could have been the Manutd midfield had some people not fecked up!
Yeah I agree that is the area where you would target him to improve on. It should develop more as he gets more experience both at united and for England. I think we have seen signs of that side of his game coming along as the seasom has gone on so I'd expect it to get better. I think he has the talent to potentially dominate games, just needs to work on those off the ball skills/movements.
Bellingham is too smart to ever go anywhere but City or Madrid. Glazers would never have paid for Rice - he's a title winner not a scrape top four player.
Nothing screams title winner like Declan fecking Rice
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