This feels like the time to pounce now with the city situation coming to a head and Klopp leaving Liverpool. Hopefully this summer we recognise that and deliver
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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So you don’t believe Sir Alex was world class either?
I'm sleeping very well at the moment knowing that Klopp is off, Pep will probably be off during the time SJR is rebuilding the club and a sleeping giant may be finally awakening.
Also warms my heart that Liverpool fans will cry and cry that their greatest era in 30 years came at the same time Pep was at City and while we were at our lowest.
Splendid stuff.
Also warms my heart that Liverpool fans will cry and cry that their greatest era in 30 years came at the same time Pep was at City and while we were at our lowest.
Splendid stuff.
I may be wrong but I think only Chelsea and City have spent more since the early 90s...I think that Chelsea, City and United are quite clear of everyone else when it comes to net spend. Would you not agree? My original point was that I would have thought SAF would have had more success in the CL - wasn't a dig, just a realistic expectation, based on the playing staff and money spent.
When Fergie retired his transfer net spend worked out to sth like 5 millions a year over 26 years. Our wage bill was consistently top 3 in the league, and that’s probably a better measure for league position, but when it comes to transfer spending and the ability to muscle out league rivals for domestic talents between 87-13, there was nothing to suggest that United enjoyed an edge compared to the traditional English top teams
United have indeed spent a boatload since, but that wasn’t the case under him. Our record transfer under Fergie was Berbatov at 29 millions, for instance. The edge in our finances under him only really materialised for a few years in the early 2000s, between a prior decade of unprecedented success and Chelsea’s Abramovich takeover, that’s when you saw a marquee signing every year (which some still had to be paid off by the time of the Glazer takeover). For the rest of the time, we operated under a pretty similar transfer budget to the rest of the top 4 clubs, and certainly nowhere near 90s Serie A, the Spanish duo and Bayern, or Chelsea/Newcastle (before they went bust)/Jack Walker’s Blackburn.
He is milking that squad for all their worth and they are too good once again. Reminds of SAF's last season. Feels like he might just get one last hurrah. If he is actually leaving, that is.
Doubtful. City are still a much better side.
We need him gone, as fast as possible.
When can we get a manger who goes on such run in the required frequency.
When can we get a manger who goes on such run in the required frequency.
Now that we are seem to give, who ever the manager will be here from the next season, for the first time in a long - real tools both on and off the pitch to be able to make those kinds of runs (its always easy to blame the manager or give to much credit when there is 100+ people behind the scene and 11 on in at least equally as important as him).
I think, and I have held this belief since last season;
That the only way ETH can win the title is if Pep or Klopp are not around.
ETH can not win 30 games in a 38 game season. He has not he doesn't understand the required control and structure to achieve that.
So ETH can stay, hopefully Pep leaves on 2025, then the playground will be abit even. But if Pep stays for another 3 years then, nothing big we can achieve because the difference in quality will still be huge.
In the last 24 games for City, they have 1 loss and 4 draws. With the last 11 winning games streak ongoing as of today.
That's what we are competing against, us when we win 6 games we act as if we have turned a corner.
Sir Alex broke the british transfer record multiple times before chelsea got a hold of their oil money,most seasons he spent more than any other manager,the seasons where he didnot he still came a close 2nd in spending.Lets not pretend he was like wenger and was not splashing the cash constantly.
It’s funny how he spent more than any other manager yet United were consistently never even top 2 in transfer spending pre-04.
Fergie got the advantage of a great team that he built using homegrown talents that allowed him to bring in one or two top player every season instead of constantly spreading his budget to cover multiple positions. If he grabbed a player for £25m and made the British transfer record while another manager bought two for £12m each, that doesn’t mean he had more money to spend.
This is complete nonsence, it was very rare that Man Utd were the top spenders in the league under Sir Alex with Blackburn, Arsenal, Everton, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, and City amonst the clubs outspending them in seasons while he was in charge.
Liverpool thrived on Moores family pools money for YEARS in their pomp.
Liverpool were stuck in the 2nd tier until their sugar daddy came along
Was it something like 30 years they were part of Liverpool?
The media, league, FA, referees and VAR are helping to make it a glorious end for their idol Klopp as they bum him along to victory
He broke the transfer records for RVN, Ferdinand,Veron,Rooney before chelsea won a title,google it.
You are comparing a few million pounds to billions of pounds ......
And why do you get fixated on that instead of the actual amount spent? If one person buys a £1000 pair of shoes and another buys 11 £100 pairs of shoes, who’s spent more?
Newbie system has failed if we’ve got genius posters like this coming through
I think people need to look at where the PL is now. Back in the day there were many big leagues, the German, The Spanish and the Italian.Big players were spread evenly with La Liga and Serie A being destinations for the very best players. La Liga at the time spending mega cash. Nowadays apart from Barca and Real, and possibly PSG and Bayern. All the money is spent in the PL. It is therefore more likely we’ll have more Champions League success.
I know he broke the transfer record s few times but those were all signed in different windows and we were still outspent by other clubs in most of those windows.
No, but other teams weren’t spending the same amount. Come on nobody else at the time was in a position to buy Rio for that price, or a Veron.
the reason he kept his averages down over his tenure was because of his greatest strength, being able to pick from homegrown talent and knowing who would make it.
but generally when he needed money, it was there to make those record deals
Surely being able to splash the money due to good squad planning instead of continually filling holes is to be commended? He took risks to be in that position, it’s not like he was afforded a budget above and beyond fellow competitors, and the point that he enjoyed a financial edge to be winning more in Europe during the 90s is even more laughable when Madrid and Juve were buying players for twice our record long before we made those purchases.
Yes but in the context of England, he could buy players beyond the means of other clubs if he felt the need. Thats my point
It’s the obviously different gravy now with 100m substitutes
Which came about because he had a decade of unrivalled domestic success behind him to justify those purchases to the board, and a squad he built relying on youths to the mockery of many that delivered against general expectations to afford those signings.
I really don’t get this fixation with the transfer record as proof of us enjoying a financial edge, nobody prevented Liverpool or Newcastle or Chelsea or Arsenal during those years to make the same purchases, they chose to spend differently, they chose not to rely on their academy. If we had an edge, it was because of Fergie, not given to him.
To be honest I don’t get why people are so wound up with transfers as some kind of point scoring between teams or managers.
our manager has access to resources that others didn’t (for reasons you mention but also because this club led the way in marketing and sponsorship deals) if he wanted. So what? It doesn’t matter
It does matter precisely because it’s being peddled in these discussion as a mark against his record, when it’s empirically not true.
I think Fergie could’ve done better in Europe, some of our exits like Dortmund, Leverkusen, Madrid 2000 were painful and against the odds, but it’s part of the game, it took Guardiola 13 years to win his 3rd CL and he had/has the actual financial edge over the competitors.
Look we all know Fergie would have found a way to win without spending, without a doubt.
but this thread is turning into RAWK style “net spend”. That’s why I am acknowledging that yes, Fergie could have if he had wanted but he didn’t always need to. It’s as simple as that. I don’t know why we need to argue that point. I’m not downplaying Fergie because at the end of the day he was the most successful United manager in my lifetime and that’s all that matters to me, don’t care how he did or didn’t get there
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/0222/1433718-this-is-their-barcelona-klopp-on-luton-win/
'Kin hell
You were only a goal down at home at HT FFS
'Kin hell
You were only a goal down at home at HT FFS
They've won the league, it's over.
If he wants to get straight back into management then there’s the Bayern job or Barca job available.
This is their 2013 Man Utd squad. Not overly amazing on paper but the manager will squeeze one final league title out of them before leaving. Hopefully the following decade is as miserable.
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Pep deserves the sack if he lets this lot win the league. It's on a plate and he still fecks it up!
Hasn't he said he's never going to manage bayern?
I haven't looked at them man-to-man but my memory of that team is you had very few outfield players under 25 who were regular contributors whereas, due to the midfield revamp this summer and the emergence of players like Bradley, we have plenty of key players under 25 across the first 11 and squad.
If this was last season's squad that Klopp had performing like this you'd have a point, but that last Ferguson squad (where your biggest young players were Tom Cleverly and Johnny Evans) aren't really a patch on Konate, Alexander-Arnold, Bradley, MacAlister, Szobozslai, Nunez. Your biggest young talents then were more on the level of our second-tier "hopefuls but wouldn't be shocked if they never fully kicked on" players like Jones, Elliot, and Quansah.
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Yeah, i dont get their line of thinking. Like you say, if this was last seasons squad i could understand that thinking, would be a squad containing Allison, Van Dijk, Matip, Fabinho, Henderson, Milner, Thiago, Salah, Frimino all starting to push into their 30's and players like Ox & Keita injury prone, so a big rebuild was needed.
But you've undertook a big part of that rebuild, and improved greatly on last season, and more importantly showed that you can still cope with lots of injuries.
Now there might be a step back from Klopp, but i dont think the squads are comparable really.