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Kim Min-jae | signed for Bayern
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Done dealio. First Kim to play for United
Kim Min-Jae now, then Kim Mich-Josh next.
Depend on next owner, possibly Kim Bappe also.
I'm not really clued up on the player but you guys seem convinced of his quality so I guess I'm going to go with your better judgement.
Really excited by this if it happens. Hopefully Park is ringing him up and telling him how great United is.
Some assumption that they have each others numbers.
Whose place is he taking - Varane? Whilst we def need upgrades on lindelof, Maguire, bailly, jones et al, Kim, varane or licha aren’t going to be second fiddle.
Varane ain't playing 50 games a season anymore. We will probably get 25-30 games out of him max. We need a replacement
Stop thinking in terms of "taking someone's place". This is how you build a squad to rival City. They have Ake, Stones, Dias, and Akanji. Madrid have Militao, Alaba, and Rudiger. You need more than just one top class player for each spot in a squad.
Who are the players we activated release clause and bought previously? I can only remember Herrera.
Bebe.
Said in jest.
Lot of smoke with this. Didn’t expect CB to be high on our list to be fair.
I've noticed EtH has been extremely complementary about Varane this season and I think he more than any other player really led by example after those two early defeats in the season, but the reality is he's managed just 44 league games in nearly two seasons at the club. It's not Phil Jones level of injuries but it's not ideal to have your centre back so often out.
Also, I feel Varane has been well looked after this season regarding his appearances and that will probably continue next season. What a brilliant player to come in and do well for the club here and there when needed.
We'll be sold by July when the clause kicks in, plus for all we know, whoever enters the exclusivity period might insist on providing some form of funds for transfers.
How much younger than 26 do you want to get? Min-jae will have Varanes starting place by the end of the season and will enter his prime the season after, Varane is a liability.
Todibo has also had two very big injuries very young in his career, we shouldn't be going near him for that reason, especially if we're after replacing Varane with him.
I forgot that transfer. Thanks
The last time Todibo missed games through injury was a few years ago. Unless I'm mistaken, which is a possibility.
But from what I've seen of Todibo (mentioned him on here 4 years ago) he's developed very well in the last few years where he's been on loan and been utilised as a RB and hence has developed the ability to invert infield. And his ability to resist/evade the press along with his ability to carry and dribble under pressure is very impressive for a young player. I'd say from what I've seen of Todibo, he's absolutely rapid, technically gifted, tactically versatile and someone who I feel would be a good rotation option for Varane before potentially taking over from his French compatriot.
The thread below goes into more details.
Todibo looks like a good back up option to Kim for sure. I remember he had a lot of hype as a teenager, always nice to see a youngster get themselves back on track.
Definitely has all the attributes needed, only worry I had was injuries as I know that was part of his issues developing, but looks like he’s sorted that out over the past couple years.
As I said, he’d be a very good back-up option if Lim doesn’t work out.
Of course, they have each other's numbers. If Park calls, Kim should receive the call within two seconds, while Son might have up to three seconds. They all belong to "the Park generation" here in Korea, which means they used to watch most of Manchester United games at 2 AM. I'm certain that Kim was angered by Sir Alex Ferguson's decision to drop Park during the Champions League final.
Our club never unearth gems, it's always about a player who's already performed elsewhere
I get it Todibo is a good player too but what is wrong with KMJ? He has singlehandedly elevated Napoli's defense and won the first scudetto since 33 years (he contributed as much as Kvara and Osimhen imo), had outstanding stats from all the CBs in Serie A, has almost no weaknesses, is much more experienced and less injury prone despite only 3 years age gap. Serie A is better than Ligue Un too. I would understand if KMJ was near his 30s or if he was really bad at those attributes but he is not. He is a very complete CB who combines all the skills needed for ETHs style. And he is available for 40m! If you sell Maguire you get at least half the money spent on KMJ.
What about Ole, Vidic, Ronnie Johnson, and a few more
Recently man, you're talking about ancient history
Players from Ligue 1 adapt much much better to the PL than players from the Serie A because the physicality is at a good level in France
Garnacho , Amad.....recent enough?
Very young players who still have everything to prove.
There's no doubting Todibo is talented, I'm just wary of his previous injury record and Barcelona letting him go.
I think given Kim Min-jae has helped Napoli win the league and soon approaching his prime, the transition from Varane to Min-jae would be smoother.
Social media means talented youngsters have instant exposure, unearthing gems is a thing of the past.
Players that have done nothing in the PL are the ones that have everything to prove IMO.
Garnacho is doing very nicely at the moment.
That's fair enough.
What is wrong is not KMJ, it's our budget, we have other areas to cover, and we might need 100m to sign striker. I think we should be looking for someone around 25m like how much Arsenal spent on Gabriel. Kim is around 40m with probably asking higher wages might not be ideal for our budget (it's great value for CB these days though). Todibo is from Nice and if ratcliffe wins the take over then we might be able to get Todibo for cheap or on loan.
would love this guy here.
I think the club know and have a better handle on what the actual budget is. Our budget was 20m last summer apparently.
If these are players the club are targeting its because they have a plan. (You can already see we are targeting a ST, GK, RB and CM too.
So what do you want? Hidden gems that are performing and already proven a lot? Is there such a thing
That's incredible. Never knew that. Thanks.
Yeah right, let's tell that to some of the other clubs who do that on a regular basis (Look no further than Brighton)
Let's say the confusion comes from semantics. I'd like the club to target and get players on the cusp of stardom without them being too young as the pressure could be tough on them. Signing Kim from Napoli after his season is too obvious and that's we could get fleeced once again, I want the club to get the Kims before they explode on the biggest stages
You're right but it's a matter of status and therefore the fee they'd command. We often target players that ensure we get fleeced as much as possible by the selling club
I think this would be a good signing. Seems odd at face value to be chasing another CB but I personally don't really trust Varane. He's 30+, he's injury prone, he won't play through the pain barrier and I'm not even convinced that he's THAT incredibly good that we can forgive those weaknesses.
If we got this lad from Napoli, i'd personally be expecting him to start and for Varane to be used as backup - whilst still likely making plenty of appearances.
That also clears the way for Maguire and Lindelof to leave and for us to use Shaw as cover at CB
If we got this lad from Napoli, i'd personally be expecting him to start and for Varane to be used as backup - whilst still likely making plenty of appearances.
That also clears the way for Maguire and Lindelof to leave and for us to use Shaw as cover at CB
It's not that I disagree with you but there is also some logic in letting other clubs take the risks involving in unearthing players. For every Kim and Osimhen, there are 49 flops or mediocre players who never get big moves.
There's also no guarantee they would develop at United. Brighton have that young lad in his teens playing at CF for them...we'd never do that, he'd be getting the odd League Cup/Europa League game and probably be sent on loan.
IF we do decide to try to unearth a few more gems, we need a better plan for how we integrate them. When we bought Diallo and Pellistri, for example, we clearly had no plan. Too good for u23s, not ready to start, so caught in limbo. We might have got lucky with Diallo and Sunderland but certainly needs to be thought about more in the future
There are no guarantees for sure. There are have been way too many players deemed as "obvious" signings , bought for huge fees and who haven't delivered.
I hate that we keep getting consistently fleeced every season.
I don't think we'd be selling Lindelof if we're planning on selling Maguire, Jones, Tuanzabe and Bailey. Going into a season with only three specialist centre-backs and an adaptable left-back would be pretty dangerous. Varane is a good player, but injury prone and Martinez is coming back from a decent spell out. While Shaw has been excellent covering for Martinez, we need him at left-back too. We absolutely need a new centre-back, but I'd not let Lindelof go unless a good offer came in, he's decent and seems happy enough in a back-up role. As far as I'm aware, there aren't any youth players knocking on the door either.
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