Kieran Tierney

Sat with the fans away at hearts yesterday and got the chants going.



Short of a 30m+ offer I can’t see him going anywhere, particularly with the added spotlight on the Scottish league thanks to Mr Gerrard.
 
I think Tierney might stay and go for the 10 in a row. He'll still only be 23 by then so plenty of time to move on if he's so inclined. The 10 in a row might not seem like to much to fans outside the spl, but it is huge for Celtic fans and Tierney is a massive fan. I'd still love him here but I don't think now its going to happen.
 
poleglass red said:
I think Tierney might stay and go for the 10 in a row. He'll still only be 23 by then so plenty of time to move on if he's so inclined. The 10 in a row might not seem like to much to fans outside the spl, but it is huge for Celtic fans and Tierney is a massive fan. I'd still love him here but I don't think now its going to happen.
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It’s a risk from his point of view if he does that. No guarantee any of the top English sides will be looking for a left back in 3 years time.

Arbitrium said:
Sat with the fans away at hearts yesterday and got the chants going.



Short of a 30m+ offer I can’t see him going anywhere, particularly with the added spotlight on the Scottish league thanks to Mr Gerrard.
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No chance Celtic would turn down 25. Would be surprised if they turned down 20.

The spotlight isn’t on Celtic, no-one cares about them bar their fans. The spotlight is on Gerrard and interest on how he gets on.
 
Bwuk said:
It’s a risk from his point of view if he does that. No guarantee any of the top English sides will be looking for a left back in 3 years time.



No chance Celtic would turn down 25. Would be surprised if they turned down 20.

The spotlight isn’t on Celtic, no-one cares about them bar their fans. The spotlight is on Gerrard and interest on how he gets on.
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It's not really a risk if he's happy to stay at Celtic.
 
SS said:
It's not really a risk if he's happy to stay at Celtic.
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Maybe not, but if he wants to compete at the highest level and earn 4/5 times his current wage then yes it is.
 
Bwuk said:
Maybe not, but if he wants to compete at the highest level and earn 4/5 times his current wage then yes it is.
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he's doing okay financially there, sure he could make more money elsewhere but don't underestimate the attraction of playing for the team you supported your whole life. He could stay at Celtic another 5 yrs and still get a big move if he wanted. There will always be top clubs looking players. I's day right now Tierney is eyeing the club captaincy more so than any ideas of moving south, Brown wouldn't have too many more seasons left in him.
 
Apparently representatives from Everton were in touch recently and told to feck off :lol:
 
A Fergie signing, obviously has the right mentality and understands the importance of loyalty. On top of that he's a quality player, and British!
 
Garethw said:
Would love us to sign this lad.
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luke511 said:
A Fergie signing, obviously has the right mentality and understands the importance of loyalty. On top of that he's a quality player, and British!
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Indeed, United’s success under Ferguson was as much about identity as tactics and systems; the best British talent signed early and elevated to elite levels.

Sandro is decent, but looks underwhelming at times and there’s no guarantee he’d settle here; Tierney ticks all the boxes - competent both defensively and moving forward, tenacious, intelligent and a good head on his shoulders.

Robertson has been the best leftback in the league this season, and by all accounts Tierney is at least as good - it’s a common sense signing, but Sandro is certainly more Woodward-friendly; I can’t see Ed being aroused by the prospect of him playing bagpipes in a video to mark his signing.
 
Has been told he’s not for sale at any price (which is a lie).

Also been told that he’ll be captaining the Celtic side in 19/20 and that his contract will be considerably upgraded.
 
I think Alex Sandro will renew with Juventus. Do you guys think this kid is really good enough to play for United?
 
AP88 said:
Indeed, United’s success under Ferguson was as much about identity as tactics and systems; the best British talent signed early and elevated to elite levels.
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You only have to look at the difference in quality between the England team then and now to see why that approach wouldn't be as fruitful now.

Maybe the likes of Gomes, Sancho and the rest will change that but it wont help us much in the short term.
 
Charles Miller said:
I think Alex Sandro will renew with Juventus. Do you guys think this kid is really good enough to play for United?
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Why do you think that?
Sure Juve would like him to renew but he has been wanting out for some time, since that Chelsea bid.
I don't really think he wants to stay but now we may have to pay a bit more to convince Juve to sell.
Don't really see Mourinho going for a young project considering he hasn't been very successful with other youngsters at the club and also looking at the ages of players he has been targeting.
 
An Irish Red said:
You only have to look at the difference in quality between the England team then and now to see why that approach wouldn't be as fruitful now.

Maybe the likes of Gomes, Sancho and the rest will change that but it wont help us much in the short term.
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England have one of the best if not the best teams at the different youth levels at the moment. I’d say banking in decent English talent isn’t exactly a daft move at the moment.
 
If he's the best Scottish player, there's only two clubs he can play for: United or Liverpool. That's how it works.
 
Harry190 said:
If he's the best Scottish player, there's only two clubs he can play for: United or Liverpool. That's how it works.
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That's patent nonsense. Spurs and Arsenal would be good destinations for good young players,Dortmund if you're looking abroad.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
That's patent nonsense. Spurs and Arsenal would be good destinations for good young players,Dortmund if you're looking abroad.
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Traditionally, if you're the best Scottish player, and good enough, you play either for Liverpool or United at some point.
 
An Irish Red said:
You only have to look at the difference in quality between the England team then and now to see why that approach wouldn't be as fruitful now.

Maybe the likes of Gomes, Sancho and the rest will change that but it wont help us much in the short term.
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Liverpool got to a Champions League final with Henderson, Milner and Oxlaide-Chamberlain in midfield, players similar to peak Fletcher when he was playing a key role in United reaching 3 CL finals in 4 years circa a decade ago. They’ve also had young British rightbacks and a Scottish leftback in that time - identity is huge in football; it transcends and in some cases eclipses tactics and talent.

The last English team to win the Champions League, Chelsea, had 4 English starters plus an absent John Terry. Once again, identity took that team further than talent alone should have. Nicky Butt and Wes Brown started final victories for United - the British players can be functional, not spectacular , but their impact is essential to success.
 
AP88 said:
Liverpool got to a Champions League final with Henderson, Milner and Oxlaide-Chamberlain in midfield, players similar to peak Fletcher when he was playing a key role in United reaching 3 CL finals in 4 years circa a decade ago. They’ve also had young British rightbacks and a Scottish leftback in that time - identity is huge in football; it transcends and in some cases eclipses tactics and talent.

The last English team to win the Champions League, Chelsea, had 4 English starters plus an absent John Terry. Once again, identity took that team further than talent alone should have. Nicky Butt and Wes Brown started final victories for United - the British players can be functional, not spectacular , but their impact is essential to success.
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I'm not saying that identity isn't important though, I'm saying that there aren't many British players on the market who are good enough for us in the here and now.

If British players of the quality of Terry, Carrick or Fletcher were on the market now then we'd rightly be in for them but they aren't. The quality isn't there.
 
Judas said:
England have one of the best if not the best teams at the different youth levels at the moment. I’d say banking in decent English talent isn’t exactly a daft move at the moment.
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That's why I mentioned the Gomes et al generation. It's the 'here and now' generation of British players that isn't good enough for us that I was referring to.
 
An Irish Red said:
That's why I mentioned the Gomes et al generation. It's the 'here and now' generation of British players that isn't good enough for us that I was referring to.
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And it’s actually great that the here and now generation are a bit rubbish. Because as the younger generations come through, their route to the England team isn’t blocked off by players who will get in because of their names.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'm not saying that identity isn't important though, I'm saying that there aren't many British players on the market who are good enough for us in the here and now.

If British players of the quality of Terry, Carrick or Fletcher were on the market now then we'd rightly be in for them but they aren't. The quality isn't there.
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United spent twice as much on Lindelof as Leicester did Maguire, while Robertson cost Liverpool £8m; both would have been assets to Mourinho this season.

There are an abundance of players in the lower leagues now who have the talent to step up into the Premier League; James Maddison, for example, is a Coutinho clone and would add lacking flare to the midfield, but the club will rather spend on Milinkovic-Savic. Lewis Cook has been putting in Premier League performances comparable to the ones Fred has in the Ukrainian pub league, but the club will go for the Brazilian because it’s deemed sexier; that epitomises why the club has failed to win the league in the past 5 years, despite spending huge amounts to acquire exotic named mercenaries.

The club under Mourinho and Woodward is at odds with its own identity, hence the relative failure - those two will prioritise Sandro, but Sirs Matt and Alex would have taken great pride in acquiring and developing Tierney.

Buying fullbacks from Serie A is moronic - Darmian was seen as bordering world class at Torino, while Kolarov was just named left back of the season there, as he was before his dubious spell at City. Sandro is another risk, like Maicon was when he flopped at City after being seen as the best rightback in Europe during his time in Italy, barring being rinsed by a Premier League winger in Bale.

Tierney is the best, most compatible fullback United could acquire this summer.
 
AP88 said:
United spent twice as much on Lindelof as Leicester did Maguire, while Robertson cost Liverpool £8m; both would have been assets to Mourinho this season.

There are an abundance of players in the lower leagues now who have the talent to step up into the Premier League; James Maddison, for example, is a Coutinho clone and would add lacking flare to the midfield, but the club will rather spend on Milinkovic-Savic. Lewis Cook has been putting in Premier League performances comparable to the ones Fred has in the Ukrainian pub league, but the club will go for the Brazilian because it’s deemed sexier; that epitomises why the club has failed to win the league in the past 5 years, despite spending huge amounts to acquire exotic named mercenaries.

The club under Mourinho and Woodward is at odds with its own identity, hence the relative failure - those two will prioritise Sandro, but Sirs Matt and Alex would have taken great pride in acquiring and developing Tierney.

Buying fullbacks from Serie A is moronic - Darmian was seen as bordering world class at Torino, while Kolarov was just named left back of the season there, as he was before his dubious spell at City. Sandro is another risk, like Maicon was when he flopped at City after being seen as the best rightback in Europe during his time in Italy, barring being rinsed by a Premier League winger in Bale.

Tierney is the best, most compatible fullback United could acquire this summer.
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I watched some videos and this kid look good. You can see those players that are excellent no matter in which league they are playing. Think Mourinho should sign him.

In the other hand i find the permanent reference to the nationality of players a little disturbing.
 
AP88 said:
United spent twice as much on Lindelof as Leicester did Maguire, while Robertson cost Liverpool £8m; both would have been assets to Mourinho this season.

There are an abundance of players in the lower leagues now who have the talent to step up into the Premier League; James Maddison, for example, is a Coutinho clone and would add lacking flare to the midfield, but the club will rather spend on Milinkovic-Savic. Lewis Cook has been putting in Premier League performances comparable to the ones Fred has in the Ukrainian pub league, but the club will go for the Brazilian because it’s deemed sexier; that epitomises why the club has failed to win the league in the past 5 years, despite spending huge amounts to acquire exotic named mercenaries.

The club under Mourinho and Woodward is at odds with its own identity, hence the relative failure - those two will prioritise Sandro, but Sirs Matt and Alex would have taken great pride in acquiring and developing Tierney.

Buying fullbacks from Serie A is moronic - Darmian was seen as bordering world class at Torino, while Kolarov was just named left back of the season there, as he was before his dubious spell at City. Sandro is another risk, like Maicon was when he flopped at City after being seen as the best rightback in Europe during his time in Italy, barring being rinsed by a Premier League winger in Bale.

Tierney is the best, most compatible fullback United could acquire this summer.
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Safer to buy known/great/world class players in their eyes, since Mourinho is not good at or cares about developing players. And then the supporters can't complain about them not buying players of quality. As opposed to signing an "unproven/unknown" player like Tierney from a weaker league, and if he fails to deliver then Woody/mourinho gets all the blame. And people say they are cheap/clueless/can't attrack big players and so on.

Furthermore Mourinho and Woody seems to think there is a direct correlation between playing good for a big club/big league automatically makes you better than playing exceptionally for a weaker team in a smaller league. Thus making the players you propose not good enough, despite their apparent quality. People do not seem to understand that playing in a weaker team would make it easier for good players to stand out, but would also affect the better players negatively. Bad passes, technique, movement etc. While playing in a good team, would make the bad players seem better than they are. Good passes, system, and general help from their players.
Lets take a CB pairing as an example: CB1 is a world class CB, playing in a pairing with CB2 who is a complete cretin. CB1 would not only focus on his own tasks in defence, he would also have to make up for all the stupid mistakes made by CB2, taking away some of his focus on his own tasks. And the overall impression of CB1 would decrease. CB2 would, on the other hand, get help from the superior CB2. And the general impression of him as a player would be better than he actually is.

On Tierney as a player: Same impression as i had with Van Dijk(Could see that despite playing in a weaker team/league he had the individual abilities and was pure class. And for other people to realise this he had to prove himself in Southampton). Tierney is almost as superior to his teammates as Van Dijk was at Celtic. Tierney is more than good enough to play as a starting LB for us next season, but i fear that we will not buy him because he plays in a "weaker team/league" thus he can't be as good as he seems to be.
 
May aswell close this until next season. He’s going nowhere this summer.
 
AP88 said:
The club under Mourinho and Woodward is at odds with its own identity, hence the relative failure - those two will prioritise Sandro, but Sirs Matt and Alex would have taken great pride in acquiring and developing Tierney.

Buying fullbacks from Serie A is moronic - Darmian was seen as bordering world class at Torino, while Kolarov was just named left back of the season there, as he was before his dubious spell at City. Sandro is another risk, like Maicon was when he flopped at City after being seen as the best rightback in Europe during his time in Italy, barring being rinsed by a Premier League winger in Bale.

Tierney is the best, most compatible fullback United could acquire this summer.
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It's not a lack of British players that has been costing us. It's placing too much hope on players who aren't good enough. And British players like Rashford and Lingard are in that group.

I fail to see how signing an experienced international from Serie A would be more risky than signing a young player from Scotland. Sandro is clearly the better/safer option.
 
An Irish Red said:
It's not a lack of British players that has been costing us. It's placing too much hope on players who aren't good enough. And British players like Rashford and Lingard are in that group.

I fail to see how signing an experienced international from Serie A would be more risky than signing a young player from Scotland. Sandro is clearly the better/safer option.
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We have a much better track record with Scottish/British players than we do with Brazilian/South American players. History says Tierney is the most logical option.
 
luke511 said:
We have a much better track record with Scottish/British players than we do with Brazilian/South American players. History says Tierney is the most logical option.
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As for the international bit, Sandro is 7 years older but has just 1 more cap than Tierney. Sandro has played many more games at the top level of club football though.
 
luke511 said:
We have a much better track record with Scottish/British players than we do with Brazilian/South American players. History says Tierney is the most logical option.
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Odd comparison. The sample size for British/Scottish players is far bigger. Can anyone safely say Mourinho would start Tierney ahead of Young next season?
 
Damien said:
As for the international bit, Sandro is 7 years older but has just 1 more cap than Tierney. Sandro has played many more games at the top level of club football though.
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It's a lot more difficult to get in the Brazil team than it is for the Scottish team. Especially when you're up against the best fullback in the world.

@luke511 There's no way that Tierney is the more logical option. Sandro is a much better player.
 
Adisa said:
Odd comparison. The sample size for British/Scottish players is far bigger. Can anyone safely say Mourinho would start Tierney ahead of Young next season?
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I can safely say he won’t because he won’t be signing.
 
Arbitrium said:
I can safely say he won’t because he won’t be signing.
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You seem very confident about your source. But even if your above post is correct and the player's been told he's won't be sold 'at any price', clubs have been known to change their minds when a sufficiently big cheque is dangled before their eyes. A lot depends on the attitude of the player as well.
 
poleglass red said:
I think Tierney might stay and go for the 10 in a row. He'll still only be 23 by then so plenty of time to move on if he's so inclined. The 10 in a row might not seem like to much to fans outside the spl, but it is huge for Celtic fans and Tierney is a massive fan. I'd still love him here but I don't think now its going to happen.
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Celtic winning the league ten times in a row is like applauding me for managing to find my way to work on time ten days in a row. They literally have no competition whatsoever.

If Tierney makes career decisions because he is a fan or if he wants to win that semi-professional league one more time, that’s a huge red flag for me.
 
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