If we get Tuchel and McKenna goes to Chelsea that might make sense. If it goes tits up with Tuchel, i'm sure we can nick McKenna off Chels next summer. And he'd have EPL experience with a marginally large club by then.
Kieran McKenna | Close to signing long term deal to stay at Ipswich
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And pay millions to Chelsea to pay out his contract. Wont happen.
We have already bailed them out once when buying Mount.
Good interview with McKenna...
if he succeeds at Chelsea it would be extremely difficult to get him
if he fails and they no longer want him, we probably won't either
who knows what he wants but if he wants to manage United he's probably gonna jump at this chance now, you never know when a chance like that will come around again
in an ideal world he'd stay at Ipswich, get more experience, and step up in 2/3 years time, but stuff rarely works the way you want it
I like mckenna
But not long ago you had dressing room leaks criticising the same guy and hinting that the players didn't like him. Possible some of the same players as now. He was assistant to a man half of this forum called a pe teacher.
He was literally coaching us under solskjaer. Who some people say had no style whatsoever.
Once again, fix the culture and squad or just set up the next manager to fail. For all their talk, ineos haven't taken a single step towards creating a better structure for a manager and we're expected to think their new hire is set up for anything but a fall?
But not long ago you had dressing room leaks criticising the same guy and hinting that the players didn't like him. Possible some of the same players as now. He was assistant to a man half of this forum called a pe teacher.
He was literally coaching us under solskjaer. Who some people say had no style whatsoever.
Once again, fix the culture and squad or just set up the next manager to fail. For all their talk, ineos haven't taken a single step towards creating a better structure for a manager and we're expected to think their new hire is set up for anything but a fall?
What do you even mean by this? What exactly are you expecting to see them change about the structure that they aren't already in the process of changing?
Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox but not a single step? Ok.
They've actually made some huge moves. Some things take time and additional effort, not INEOS's fault.
Sounds like he did a great job at Ipswich getting them to play greater than the sum of their parts. But, does he have the presence/ charisma to be a Utd manager?
Perhaps unfair, but I can't help but associate him with the failure that was the Ole regime. I wonder if some of our players from then would too.
Perhaps unfair, but I can't help but associate him with the failure that was the Ole regime. I wonder if some of our players from then would too.
Why bring Ronaldo up when we've had an absolute mess of a season and finished 8th?!
"All good fellas", well I'd hate to see where we'd finish with "bad" fellas
they've hired a new CEO and director of football already, possibly the two most important jobs within the structure of the club other than the manager
what are you expecting to happen structure-wise in a few months, beyond that?
I remember similar things being said but the hierarchy has completely changed. That being said there are still a lot of the playing staff that need gotten rid of regardless of who the manager is.
He’s fav to join either Brighton or us. He’s quite big odds to go to Chelsea. For us I think it’s between him and Poch.
Ye he wouldn’t be the most exciting appointment. Who would his coaching staff even be? I mean we can’t be bringing a league 1 back room team here. I also read t before that said the players didn’t like his training methods and thought they was academy standard.
I don't think it is fair to judge his philosophy especially when you have most league 2 players. Even with the limited squad his team has an impressive 53%, and scored so many goals with in the process. I agree with you Mckenna may choose to play a quick transitional football. But, he hasn't the luxury to apply his own philosophy at Ipswich.
Brighton would be a logical next step in normal circumstances, but he'd be absolutely mad to chose Brighton over Chelsea.
He’d be mad to chose Chelsea over anyone. They go through managers very quickly. He wouldn’t be safe there.
I get your point but with Chelsea's current owners maybe not that mad
Yes, these were criticisms at the time, which have already been disproven because he decided to leave and all he has done since then is take a team rotting in League 1 and immediately bring them back to the Premier League. Whatever ends up happening with McKenna, you cannot blame an assistant coach for a manager's lack of tactical "style". It is a completely different position.
Because we're any better
.True, but they are actually a super young squad that he could grow with. Guaranteed payout mind you!
I don't think Chelsea are looking at him as the top option. My gut feeling is Maresca or De Zerbi will be Chelsea's next manager. McKenna will either stay put or move to United.
If anything we give too much time to managers.Because we're any better
True, but they are actually a super young squad that he could grow with. Guaranteed payout mind you!
Sure, but no way would McKenna be "safe" at us. Ten Hag was deemed out of his depth, I dread to think how quickly that would be levelled at someone who's never managed higher than the championship.
Totally agree, ETH lost 19 games soon to be 20 if McKenna loses 4 out of his first 10 he’ll be under serious pressure too, it’s too soon we should go for Tuchel or Pochetino for the next 2-3 years and McKenna should prove himself with Brighton.
And Mourinho was a translator at Barcelona before winning the Champion's League
Yeah he's a life long fan.
Anyone that wants Tuchel is an idiot.
He's explosive, toxic and confrontational.
We're trying to build a new foundation - something to build on.
All this talk of Tuchel 'steadying the ship' ... he's more likely to smash it into an iceberg and hop on the first lifeboat home
This is a mad enough post. They’ve hired top people above the squad and the manager to evaluate and plan. The window isn’t even open yet so I don’t see how we could have done anything more at this point. It’s going to take ages to fix the team now whoever the owner or manager is
He will surely have strong opinions on where we’ve gone wrong over the years. I also think the fact he was at the club before means he will know a lot about the playing staff and who is working hard and who is coasting. Rashford was playing some of his best stuff under Ole, did he even work a bit harder off the ball?
I'm afraid this may be too soon, the pressure that the fans and the media would pile on him at the first hint of trouble would surpass anything he's faced up to this point and he doesn't really have much to rely on in the face of such adversity compared to a more established manager.
He's possibly one of bigger managerial prospects around considering the miracle he pulled of with ipswich so to waste him prematurely would be sad.
He's possibly one of bigger managerial prospects around considering the miracle he pulled of with ipswich so to waste him prematurely would be sad.
This isn’t Game of Thrones or FM, things don’t work out this neatly in the real world plus no way United would hire KMC if he’s sacked after 1 year at Chelsea
They literally have taken those steps and are still doing so in the positions you are talking about.
This is such an incredibly strange viewpoint. It's like saying someone isn't building a house whilst stood watching them lay bricks.
Would it be fair to say that the Ole regime wasn’t terrible until Ronaldo came or is that still an unpopular opinion? Didn’t win trophies but got close multiple times, went further in the CL with less than ETH.
This looks very much like a Panic appointment, if they have Tuchel and Poch available then put one in for two years and then appoint McKenna when he’s had a bit more experience.
Ok financially sack ETH and coaches, that cost £10m, you then have to pay £5m to Ipswich to get McKenna, so that’s £15m which will have to be reported in end of year accounts, some might go into next years accounts and McKenna will probably cost £6m per year not £10m as an annual salary.
McKenna if he gets the job, will need to hit the ground running and he will need a very good start next season or he’ll be under serious pressure otherwise. One things for sure he plays 4231 so we will be far less open in midfield.
Ok financially sack ETH and coaches, that cost £10m, you then have to pay £5m to Ipswich to get McKenna, so that’s £15m which will have to be reported in end of year accounts, some might go into next years accounts and McKenna will probably cost £6m per year not £10m as an annual salary.
McKenna if he gets the job, will need to hit the ground running and he will need a very good start next season or he’ll be under serious pressure otherwise. One things for sure he plays 4231 so we will be far less open in midfield.
They’ve clearly been forced to do it. Different from a panic. You can’t just put him in in 2 years if he is established elsewhere.
I think that's pretty fair, many won't agree though
IMO it's not about results. If we had the same points tally we did this season but we were playing modern, sustainable football and we just needed the players to mature or we needed a few more pieces of the puzzle I would not mind. That should be the biggest factor, is the football going in the right direction?
It's usually fairly obvious. I never expected us to win a league under Ole/Jose the football wasn't top level. Ole said himself in his 3rd season he felt an obligation to take that next step as a team and control games higher up the pitch and this was part of his undoing. He wasn't capable of doing that. I think we should just aim to do that from the start and get the teething pains out the way FIRST.
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If McKenna comes in with a style of play, he's better than 100% of the managers we've hired Post-Ferguson.
Quite frankly his main transfer targets were pie in the sky and very unimaginative, he has to take some blame for that imo, my ideal woman is Scarlett Johanson at some point I have to recognise fairly quickly thats not gonna happen, negotiations or not he has to take some blame