Firstly, I have never said Ole should be in charge.
Rockets just shows what I mean, Jose left a good team but given up, thats exactly what happened under Ole.
A chancer who gets 2 top 3 finishes in the PL?
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Firstly, I have never said Ole should be in charge.
Rockets just shows what I mean, Jose left a good team but given up, thats exactly what happened under Ole.
A chancer who gets 2 top 3 finishes in the PL?
What?! I was at the final - we weren't dominated. We had a 2-0 lead by half time and were able to, pretty effectively, shut down the tie and keep them at arm's length. To be honest, if we weren't so scabby with our final pass, we could have won by a few more with some fantastic counter opportunities late 2nd half.
Right, so me saying this is insulting but its fine for all you fans to say Ole was a chancer when he finished 2nd and 3rd? Yes the football was not great but its not great now either.
Like I have always said, I think Ten Hag is the man for the job, I back him but when we play the way we are, there will be question marks too.
Its funny because even Ten Hag agreed with it, he came out saying those games we were rubbish, he knew we played badly.
The thing about Ten Hag, he knows when his team plays bad compare to previous managers.
I agree that we have played alot of games, it is difficult to train but some of the 1st half performances I have seen are similar to what we had under Ole. You and others are in your right to disagree, its about opinions.
We have better mentality but I am no way deluded in thinking we are playing some exciting brilliant football.
Back on subject ….. a friend of mine who is a season ticket holder at Ipswich says they all love him there.
I disagree with the term chancer but again - Jose won’t trophies. Ole won nothing. A period of us becoming perennial losers. Two top 4 finishes were a positive but that’s where it ends with him.
ETH has done better in 8 months than Ole did in 4 years.
Bookmarked this so I can quote this next season.
Imagine being so wrapped up in an agenda that it consumes your entire enjoyment of a sport, seeing things completely different to how they happened in reality. It’s either that or just being clueless.
I've never said that myself. I love Ole but I don't think he was good enough tactically and the football wasn't sustainable.
Also I don't think anyone is saying we're blowing opponents away but we're showing grit, and good mentally (Liverpool aside) to get through this horrible period with a game every 3 days whilst having our first team midfield missing for the majority of it.
I have done the same. There should be some repercussions for posts like that.
We played better on the counter with Ole Ball.
We played better on the counter with Ole Ball.
Martial was fit slightly more often, which helped massively. He’s got his uses when he’s actual able to play.
I’m going to try a nuanced position:
Ole did a lot of stuff well, and other stuff not well enough, like Mourinho and Van Gaal before him. McKenna and Carrick likewise.
McKenna and Carrick was a part of collapsing under Mourinho, they were a part of honeymoon and hell, and slow improvement under Ole. They was also learning under Mourinho and Solskjær. What good they do know, reflects both their talents and what they have learnt under Mourinho and Ole - learning from the competence and learning from the mistakes both. After this, they ate good enough to do very good work in League One and Championship. Ole did very well in Norway and Europa League with Molde, Mourinho has done OKish with Roma in Serie A and well in Conference League. These are competent people, while obviously the difference between fighting for 2nd and 3rd spot in the PLand the top, is a very high mark. Strictly, there are no managers guranteed to achieve that.
Ten Hag for me was the best bet around available, and he has exceeded my expectations. And still it is not incorrect to remind that in results, he has not supassed or outdistanced Mourinho or Ole yet. I think he will, and I much enjoy the playstyle already, but it would be wrong to say he has achieved much better results than them. It is not easy to be adamant about potential.
You could think that the potential of Ten Hag with Carrick and McKenna as assists would be better than what we acheived Under Mourinho and Solskjær, but it’s not that simple.
At any rate, I enjoyed football under Solskjær more than under Mourinho, and under Ten Hag more than under Solskjær, and I enjoy seeing Carrick and McKenna do well, so this is the best time for me for a while watching the coaching associated with Man Utd. (Ownership is a whole other and darker matter).
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Plus, I dont think we commit as many players forward when we break nowadays.
Oh I didnt realise we cant talk about whats happening this season...
As if there's no such things as a middle ground.
The amount of matches we've played this season is astronomical.
Some of the players we have are bang average.
A lot of them are mentally weak/traumatized in footballing sense/however you want to call it.
ETH is a very very good coach (yes, much better than Ole) but will too get things wrong on occasion.
Take all this into account, and you still wonder how come we don't dominate every team for 90 minutes?
I agree, he wasn't good tactically and it wasn't sustainable.
The current football we are playing isn't sustainable as well though it is? It is clear because we are dropping points right?
What I said, is the 1st half of games is very similar to what we endured with ole, soak up and try hit teams on the break. Obviously with better quality in Lisandro and Casemiro, it helps us dig in and we will create a chance or 2.
People on here are acting as if I am saying Ten Hag is rubbish and we need Ole back, which is not what I have said...
There is a middle ground. I think Ten Hag is doing a good job. I have never once compared Ole and Ten Hag as coaches, I have compared the football in recent weeks to the football we played under Ole.
I'm positively surprised that both McKenna & Carrick are doing so well in their first stints as managers. There were some rumours going around that the sessions and drills under the trio (Ole-Carrick-McKenna) were too basic and sometimes felt like youth coaching sessions. Which would be understandable considering the lack of experience and especially Ole's and McKenna's background. So I definitely had some reservations regarding both of them as managers/head coaches, felt they might lack the charisma too. Very positive first signs, hope they go on to get promoted.
The 19/20 front three would hypothetically be an enormous upgrade on what we have right now - Rashford, a fit Martial and the cnut.
Its funny, its almost as if you cant judge things on the current situation. You have to wait a year to come back to a post about what is happening right now
This is such a crap post. We have not played Ole ball in last 6 weeks for starters. We went to Barca and played brilliant, we played brilliant in the return leg especially in the second half.The only game we got outdone was the Liverpool game. We are playing with zero cf, his most important player in Eriksen is injured, Casemiro is suspended again. Yet, in Feb we knocked Barca out and also won the league cup.
Yeah we could finish outside top 4 but we could also finish in top 4 and win one more trophy. Ten hag has already outperformed Ole in that department and if he finishes in top 4 and wins another trophy, will out perform Jose's whole tenure here as well.
This season has been good unless if you stopped supporting the club when Sir Alex retired. But next season will be the one where you look stupid.
Why will I look stupid If I am posting on current? Its like saying the weather is bad today... you will wait a year when its sunny to tell me hahahaha look at you a year ago you said weather was bad..
Things change... I think Ten Hag will get us playing better after another pre season.
Calling my post a joke when this is the joke statement.
I think most people will disagree. Casemiro is our most important player.
We are playing with zero cf, unless you think Weghorst is doing an outstanding job. Eriksen role is very much underestimated. He brings control to the game. There is a reason you mentioned "in the last 6 weeks" because we lost Eriksen almost 6 weeks ago.
Tell me this we play better with Eriksen or without Eriksen?
Getting this back on track to Mckenna and the job he is doing, Ipswich had a little slump in form with a lot of draws in January and into Feb but thats 5 games on the spin won with 0 goals conceded and 14 scored fantastic form.
The shit he and Carrick got from Goldbridge and his acolytes and some of the posters on here was totally uncalled for and i am glad they are both doing really well now for their respective teams
The shit he and Carrick got from Goldbridge and his acolytes and some of the posters on here was totally uncalled for and i am glad they are both doing really well now for their respective teams
In that sense every player is just as crucial right? If we lost Casemiro, Lisandro, Shaw, Rashford for that length of time?
So was I wrong in saying that in the last 6 weeks our football has not been great? I thought it was a joke of a statement? Looks like you somewhat concur.
No but we won’t always have such a chaotic schedule. The queen dying, the World Cup and the Europa league play off tie have combined to create one of the tightest schedules we’ll ever have. No club in Europe has played more games than us.
I really hope they do well and get promotion. McKenna was highly rated at United but alot of United fans wanted to look past it with the "jobs for boys"
With what McKenna and Carrick are doing, it clearly showed they were good coaches right? They are also playing very similar football at their respective clubs.
Yes, those incidents were not the best but we have had these issues in the past, Europa league was round of 32 in previous years, we have been getting to the latter parts in the last 2/3 years.
In respects to chaotic schedule, if we want to compete in all competitions, this will happen.
The only way this does not happen over the coming years is if we get knocked out early in cup competitions. Obviously, in the coming seasons, we will have more quality in depth to cope with it.
It has neither been bad. At times we have looked leggy which is natural keeping the schedule in mind and the injuries and suspension to key players. You are making it sound through your post like our football is just about playing in counter when it is not true. We did well against Barca, played like pro against Newcastle, handled Leicester and leeds away without two key players very well. Thrashed Betis and should have won by 6 or 7 goals. Played with 10 men against Southampton and mostly kept the ball well. I bet we would have lost under Ole with 10 men.
So yes, your post hardly made sense and then icing on cake you said we may finish outside top 4. Well if you want to he negative why stop there we can also finish out top 10 from here. But chances are we will finish in top 4 so your Ole comparison made zero sesnse.
And trust me I have defended Ole more than many and I still fell his tenure wasn't that bad.
We would be giving arsenal and city a run for their money with that forward line this season plus first season cavani coming off the bench.
See this is where people are getting confused.
Ole was a terrible coach, I agree and I never felt comfortable that we can challenge under Ole. Under Ten Hag, I feel the way his standards are, his coaching we can be consistent in challenging.
The comparison was the style of play in the last 6 weeks. I do take the point on board about being tired etc... Fatigue has a major problem but our passing has always been an issue, I cant blame that on fatigue. Our playing out the back has always been an issue, regardless of manager.
Look at this Leicester and Leeds team, they are not good.
The reason playing out from the back or lack of control is an issue is we still have players from Ole and Jose time. It takes time. Pep wasn't playing pep football in his first season, Klopp was playing chaotic football in his first half season and even next full season.
Thing is we cannot be reactive after some poor performance here and there. Our manager was hard done in the winter window. Had we signed a proper cf we may very well have challenged Arsenal.
Anyways I think this thread belongs to McKenna so we should take this topic to ETH thread.
Cheers.
Town have just beaten their best ever period without conceding a goal; 686 minutes, or 7 and a half matches. We’ve scored 18 goals since our last one against.
Yet the form of Plymouth and (especially) Sheff Weds, means we are still in 3rd, albeit one good result away from an automatic spot.
If we miss automatic promotion and make the play-offs I can see anyone fancying themselves against us on current form.
Yet the form of Plymouth and (especially) Sheff Weds, means we are still in 3rd, albeit one good result away from an automatic spot.
If we miss automatic promotion and make the play-offs I can see anyone fancying themselves against us on current form.
That’s impressive. McKenna was not known at United for his capabilities to organise a defense. Perhaps Lee Grant has been able to have an effect?
As to the bolded part, I agree - but in a one off final who knows. Hope you get promoted, by top 2 or otherwise.
Yeah, you’re right about that. I was careful to say that I think teams would prefer to avoid us, rather than that we’d beat anyone. So many factors, and often the disappointment of missing out on 2nd place makes a team perform badly, especially compared to a smaller team who have a good last 10 games and scrape 6th place for whom everything else is just a bonus.
Apparently the score line over the last 9 games: 24-0.
He’s doing an amazing job there.
He’s doing an amazing job there.
Aye, they were just gushing about him on sky.