Kieran McKenna | Close to signing long term deal to stay at Ipswich

Great achievement! If he stays, i think he will keep them in PL next season.
If we want to change manager, we should seriously consider him and move quickly. It’s nonsense to wait and see he spends a few more years elsewhere to prove “something”. He has shown he is not just good but extremely good.
 
Gavinb33 said:
He'd do well to, 8 of the starters today were starters in league 1 that's a hell of a jump to make for them and alternatively it's a hell of a lot players to replace next season to
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The big mistake a lot make is just letting those player continue in the PL. I don't mean get rid of them, I mean they need to bring in experienced PL players for certain positions. It will help them enormously. Also don't get silly in the process like Nottingham Forest. He will be backed as I think they do have some money behind them.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The big mistake a lot make is just letting those player continue in the PL. I don't mean get rid of them, I mean they need to bring in experienced PL players for certain positions. It will help them enormously. Also don't get silly in the process like Nottingham Forest. He will be backed as I think they do have some money behind them.
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Do they though? They spent a total of £4m last summer and this January combined.
 
we should help him out with some loanees and bargain buys. Donny to Ipswich.

Keep him sweet in case he becomes top level. Im delighted for him, the way he was spoken about on here by plenty was embarrassing for the forum. The thing about talking shit online though, is that when you're proven absurdly wrong, you can just say nothing and pretend you never contributed to an at times toxic conversation about who was clearly a hugely regarded coach.
 
top1whoisman said:
Do they though? They spent a total of £4m last summer and this January combined.
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Hearing interviews from their DOF I think it was they seem very sensibly run. I'm sure they'll spend some money but with an eye on possibly having to bounce back next year. I can't see them fecking him over Sheffield Utd style but no way they go full Forest.
 
What are the rules with regards to loan players between Prem clubs? Can we loan them more than one player (assuming he doesn't go elsewhere)?
 
SER19 said:
we should help him out with some loanees and bargain buys. Donny to Ipswich.

Keep him sweet in case he becomes top level. Im delighted for him, the way he was spoken about on here by plenty was embarrassing for the forum. The thing about talking shit online though, is that when you're proven absurdly wrong, you can just say nothing and pretend you never contributed to an at times toxic conversation about who was clearly a hugely regarded coach.
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You’re certainly not wrong about that. Then again, most people maybe have a simplified idea about the factors affecting club performance, where a) they overestimate the manager influence vastly, and b) they think that when a team underachieve by 10 pts compared to previous seasons or another team, it means everybody from owners to key players to squad players to managers to coaching assistants to technical director to ground keepers are below the required level by the essences in their souls.
 
Grande said:
You’re certainly not wrong about that. Then again, most people maybe have a simplified idea about the factors affecting club performance, where a) they overestimate the manager influence vastly, and b) they think that when a team underachieve by 10 pts compared to previous seasons or another team, it means everybody from owners to key players to squad players to managers to coaching assistants to technical director to ground keepers are below the required level by the essences in their souls.
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I dont doubt this. weve been in the same cycle for years
 
SER19 said:
we should help him out with some loanees and bargain buys. Donny to Ipswich.

Keep him sweet in case he becomes top level. Im delighted for him, the way he was spoken about on here by plenty was embarrassing for the forum. The thing about talking shit online though, is that when you're proven absurdly wrong, you can just say nothing and pretend you never contributed to an at times toxic conversation about who was clearly a hugely regarded coach.
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Donny, almost forgotten he existed. Given McKenna has worked with him before I'd doubt he'd want him sticking up the squad. A few others he could possibly take though I am sure.
 
If Tuchel decides to stay at Bayern and we decide to sack ten Hag, should we go for McKenna? Give him time like Arsenal did to Arteta and slowly improve the squad over next 2-3 seasons. I know it's a risk as managing in Premier League and at United is different obviously but seems like he's talented and knows the club after working for us for 5 years or so.
 
Really good achievement, looking forward to how he adapts to the league.
 
Done a brilliant job at Ipswich. He's nowhere near ready to manage a club like United though, enough of the reactionary nonsense.
 
Ipswich may have a better chance staying up if Leicester start the season with a points penalty. Whoever goes up in the play offs, I'd still fancy Ipswich ahead of them. A lot will hinge on who he brings in over the summer and if they can squeeze another monumental season out of Morsey. I'd hope Chelsea would loan Omari Hutchinson back to them too.
 
Blood Mage said:
Done a brilliant job at Ipswich. He's nowhere near ready to manage a club like United though, enough of the reactionary nonsense.
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How do you know he's not ready for United? He was highly rated before he joined us, we have no idea of how he performed as a coach under Ole, but we do know that he managed/ coached a mid table team, into promotion to the Premier league within two seasons.
Don't get me wrong, you may well be correct in that he is not ready, but I, for one, have absolutely no idea whether he is ready to step up or not.
How you can make an assumption like that I've no idea.
 
rimaldo said:
if he’s that good, he’ll have them challenging for europe. if not, then he’s not the right man for united.
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Ipswich have a team littered with League 1 talent still. If he has them at 12-14th spot next season that’s an incredible achievement and half the league should try to bring him in.
 
Oranges038 said:
Lets see how he does in the PL first. Lots of coaches have taken teams up and not been able to step up as well.
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I think over time there’s been a few coaches who are so good but their squads provide them a very low ceiling.

I hope he is backed by the club and is able to have a real crack at improving the squad.
 
arthurka said:
So are you still wondering what he did at Utd?

Great achievement by him.
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Some of the posts from past is a goldmine, even better when Ole was sacked. Lot of posts saying why isn't McKenna and Carrick sacked, how can RR improve the team with these 2 coaches still at ManUtd.

So clueless but so confident on their takes.
 
A lot of people shown up as clueless morons with the constant bashing McKenna and Carrick received while here.
 
rimaldo said:
if he’s that good, he’ll have them challenging for europe. if not, then he’s not the right man for united.
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So Roman never left British soil after all! But why grace the caf with your presence, and why reveal yourself now!?
 
SER19 said:
we should help him out with some loanees and bargain buys. Donny to Ipswich.

Keep him sweet in case he becomes top level. Im delighted for him, the way he was spoken about on here by plenty was embarrassing for the forum. The thing about talking shit online though, is that when you're proven absurdly wrong, you can just say nothing and pretend you never contributed to an at times toxic conversation about who was clearly a hugely regarded coach.
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Things get very interesting for McKenna now and I wonder how much he will or can lean on us calling in favours in what could be a mutually beneficial relationship.

Firstly, are our players we would be prepared to loan good enough for the PL? Secondly, will he stick to his principles if the PL step up is insanely difficult for his players? The temptation is to shut up shop and play for survival by nicking points any which way, especially if he has an nervy board who are getting itchy feet if things aren't going to so well at pivotal points in the season

As great as things have been for him since leaving us, he's really got the attention of a global audience on him now and the platform that could be life/career-defining in that, if he does well in the PL, he could be catapulted into an upper echelon, managerial candidacy cycle where the literal top clubs in the land are keeping an eye on him. Potter was the last guy to be graced with the full treatment, I think (?), and but for a poor decision in taking on the Chelsea job at a time when they were in total disarray, might still have been thought of in terms of glowing praise.

The canvas is set, and McKenna is coming into the league as the Prodigal Son as things stand; if he gets this right, his legacy leap will be insane, and I'm sure he's aware of that, and it'd be interesting to see how much we think of him as a club by whether we try our damnedest to aid him, or just observe from afar.
 
SER19 said:
we should help him out with some loanees and bargain buys. Donny to Ipswich.
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I don't think anyone available for loan or sale from us to Ipswich are good enough quality and/or affordable for him to be honest. Kambwala on loan maybe?

Think he will want Omari Hutchison back from Chelsea and maybe Sariamento? They need RB and LB cover and I cant see Dalot, Shaw or AWB going there. My money would be that he will sign Brandon Williams on a free though. Donnys not got the fire in him that McKenna looks for in his players I think. Forget Klopp, it's McKennas mentality monsters.
 
Munkehboi said:
I don't think anyone available for loan or sale from us to Ipswich are good enough quality and/or affordable for him to be honest. Kambwala on loan maybe?

Think he will want Omari Hutchison back from Chelsea and maybe Sariamento? They need RB and LB cover and I cant see Dalot, Shaw or AWB going there. My money would be that he will sign Brandon Williams on a free though. Donnys not got the fire in him that McKenna looks for in his players I think. Forget Klopp, it's McKennas mentality monsters.
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Right. The addition of quality and depth is key. What equally important is to maintain the squad chemistry and togetherness. The core of his current team will play next season I think. Maybe he can give Hannibal a chance?
 
Munkehboi said:
I don't think anyone available for loan or sale from us to Ipswich are good enough quality and/or affordable for him to be honest. Kambwala on loan maybe?

Think he will want Omari Hutchison back from Chelsea and maybe Sariamento? They need RB and LB cover and I cant see Dalot, Shaw or AWB going there. My money would be that he will sign Brandon Williams on a free though. Donnys not got the fire in him that McKenna looks for in his players I think. Forget Klopp, it's McKennas mentality monsters.
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A lot of our players didn't play too much on loan to bigger clubs. If some of them want a full season at Premier league level, then Ipswich would be ideal for them. Convincing them that is true is going to be a struggle though. I'm thinking any that we can't sell of Hannibal, Pellistri. And then you've got youngsters like Gore, but not sure he's ready for the PL yet.
 
roonster09 said:
Some of the posts from past is a goldmine, even better when Ole was sacked. Lot of posts saying why isn't McKenna and Carrick sacked, how can RR improve the team with these 2 coaches still at ManUtd.

So clueless but so confident on their takes.
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I'd love to go back to some of the posts by all the Twitter tacticos, telling me he's clearly a bad coach because of our performances. I imagine they'd tie themselves in knots.
 
In the end fans have no idea what it takes to manage or train a pl team and only few can see it. In a world every twitterino knows it all and many think their opinion is specifically important it is not surprising. People think they know it better when talking about complex political, economical or scientific questions, so why not at football. The whole expected goals etc kpis don’t help either. Using such metrics when arguing, people think they are professionals. I miss the days when fans just watched their teams without too much thinking about being the better manager.
 
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