I was willing to give Keir the benefit of the doubt but he can go head a feck himself now. He's nothing more than Blair Lite and I hope he never gets anywhere near power.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Unfortunately, I feel like this kind of discourse is pervasive even among our own on the left unconsciously. I don't think RLB is anti-Semitic in any conscious sense, but it has shown up her ignorance of the conspiratorial ideas that have surrounded Jewish communities for thousands of years and how lethal they have been. The American relationship with Israel and the left's opposition to their respective foreign policies has allowed the old ideas of undue Jewish influence in the affairs of the world room to breathe within the movement, despite the humanitarian intention within. Politicians, especially in the shadow cabinet, need to be very careful in the way they promote certain ideas.
On another note, it was politically stupid to start sharing articles headlining that anyone who didn't vote for Corbyn is a Tory. Over a third of the electorate didn't vote Tory or Labour and for the shadow education minister to share alienating rubbish such as that isn't going to help attract people to Labour and get rid of this shambolic Tory government.
It’s a shrewd political move by Starmer. Makes him seem decisive and in control, taking proactive steps to reverse one of the biggest perceived failings of his predecessor. Labour needs a shrewd politician in charge to have any hope of winning the next election. I have no opinion on RLB but am pleased that the Labour party finally have someone in charge who might have what it takes to get Labour back into power.
The question is - did he have to take a strong stance on anti-Semitism or not.
Further, following Boris atrocious handling of the Cummings saga, did he have to take a strong stance on discipline within his shadow cabinet.
He will be judged on those issues by the public.
And my view is that he has made the right call.
And by the way, Tony Blair was the most successful leader of the Labour party in living memory.
Not a bad example to follow....
Absolutely right.
Sounds alright. Blair minus Iraq would do an awful lot to help people in this county.
It's a good job no one said that then isn't it.
Sadly, extreme reactions like this is why we have BoZo and Trump in power. I'm not particularly happy with his handling of this, but I'm still going to be a Labour voter until there's a realistic better option.
I agree with this. On reflection I think it was ruthless and that'll turn a lot of people off but I can see Starmer being PM. I'll wait for his first fully fledged manifesto before taking a line either way.
The idea doesn't disappear, but he's right in a sense. Centralists had far more voting options than the Corbynites do. Corbyn's failings went beyond his policies. Starmer at the very least appears to be going at this with a more pragmatic approach. Corbyn's indisputable failure to make concessions and to mitigate the damage done by the anti-semitism allegations levied against him, whether driven by the media or not, demonstrates the difference between the two. Instead of howling at the moon he's used the situation to get a few brownie points.
Absolutely and it will play well with the wider electorate. It was a bit brutal but it’s nice to know Starmer can be a bit of a bastard as he will need it to fight the amoral chancers like Johnson and Cummings.
Yeah it would be nice if people actual read the article which has caused this shot show.
Staying at home is a voting option, if he wants to turn himself into the UK's Hilary. The PS5 might even be cheap enough for me by May 2024.
Tricky, given the offending part has been retracted by the paper. Do you not think it was weird to link Israel to US police brutality?
Remarkable that you can even think this when you would just be helping out UK’s Trump. Staying at home sure worked out great for American socialists.
Pick better candidates.
No idea what the fuss is, he's going to win on account of not being Corbyn anyway. That's still the line, right?
‘People who couldn’t vote Labour because of Starmer? They voted Tory as far as I’m concerned’
Stupid argument, isn't it?
Odd calling it stupid when it's the same one you're using in your claim they have nowhere to go.
But linking it to George Floyd is.
His problems start before then (tuition fees, academies to only focus on education) but given that either side of Blair/Brown is a decade plus of Tory rule then it'd be bloody shocking if he wouldn't do better.
So there's an ongoing corruption scandal within the Tory party yet instead of focusing on that, Keir decides to shift the focus to yet another fake antisemitism scandal on the Labour party.
fOreNsic.
Not when you're talking about effects of global racism. Both countries have close political relationships in the region, both have a very militarized societies and American police have been trained by Israeli forces, these are just facts.
The Americans during the Vietnam war were influenced by British Imperialism(The British were the first to use agent Orange). The Irish counter insurances against Britain were massively influential to a whole range of countries. Christ policing started due to British Imperialism in Ireland, yet if we draw the long historical connection between British Imperialism and what's happening in America would that be anti British ?
And again the idea the criticizing or even mentioning Israel is somehow anti Semitic is well itself anti Semitic, there are plenty of Jews around the world who want nothing to do with this backwards ethic state.
The outrage should really be more about the fact the Labour leader has sacked the shadow education Secretary due to her relationship with the teacher unions.
Couldn't care less. He's nothing but a wolf on sheep's clothing, it'll be a cold day in hell before I can ever support someone like that.
I'd feel more outrage that she was essentially a mouthpiece for the teachers unions instead of representing pupils, parents and generally looking to improve education holistically as well as representing teachers - that and the fact shes useless and I hope come that glorious day of reckoning with the EHRC we can get her out of the party along with all the other antisemites and anybody else who tries to smear the report and defend them
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Never have I seen such an appropriate tag line. What an intensely boring comment.
While I dont think this is why he did it, Starmer's decision to sack RLB is just about the best thing he could have done as far as Boris Johnson is concerned. The difference between Starmer's actions when someone stepped out of line and Johnson's over Jenrick and Cummings are pretty stark. Actions speak louder than words, as they say.
Well done to Kier for taking out the trash before it starts to fester. The radical left and Tories could learn from this.
Leftie's seem to spend an inordinate amount of effort anti-semiticly explaining why anti-semitism/zionism isn't anti-semitic.
Except nobody will ever remember Boris doing nothing because Keir decided to steal the limelight.
No. The fact that you even ask this question is problematic.
“The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” Maxine Peake
“ I feel it’s important for me to clarify that, when talking to The Independent, I was inaccurate in my assumption of American Police training & its sources.” Maxine Peake
So someone did say it and then rightly apologised.
No, the fact that you can't explain how this is antisemitic is not only problematic but embarrassing.
God, the far left really are rabid. Twitter's a mess.
To infer that the anti-semitism scandal is 'fake' is the only embarrassment on this thread.
Seconded.
Exactly, it’s really simple.
Whether Starmer secretly wanted to boot RLB out anyway is beside the point, she left him with no choice at a moment in time when the actual PM is refusing to sack an advisor for breaking the law.
RLB is a moron for retweeting that article and I imagine Starmer will be explaining exactly that to the 1917 committee today.