Dr Rashford did some politics and got a result. The closest Sir Keith has got to a win, in his head anyway, is ensuring only the vast majority of migrants taxes don't qualify them for access to the NHS.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Good to read such a sensible and well reasoned input.
And I say this not just because I agree with it, but because it is quite correct.
The primary job of the Labour leader is to transform his party from one so unpopular as to have the worst election result in memory into one capable of winning the next election.
As such, he has a very delicate strategy to deploy.
Changing public opinion will take many months if not years.
And to use a motor racing adage, you cannot win on the first lap, but you can certainly loose.
I am perfectly happy with what he is doing.
Sir Keir is a big improvement on Jezza, but the smartest thing he can do as leader of the opposition and four or more years out from a GE, is to keep a low profile and let Boris and his Pals waltz themselves into more problems. The moment Starmer intervenes then Boris uses him as a crutch to get up off the floor. Sir Keir needs to learn the 'rope a dope' Ali trick!
I’m sure he made a few U turns, the first one that comes to mind is when they were trying to force all of parliament to re-sit, pretty sure that pressure from him changed that, can’t think of the others.
I feel like he’s damned either way, he will get accused of making the virus political and look like the bad guy if he tries the Corbyn screaming tactic.
It'd be nice if he at least set a good example on face masks.
Starmer hasn't gone through the rigor of a sneering back-slapping opposition bench to silence at a PMQs yet. That was something Corbyn and Miliband both struggled. Corbyn was a wooden, witless speaker and Miliband a bit of a pushover. We'll see if Starmer has the quick feet to handle that because in these quiet exchanges with Johnson he is getting the upper hand. Johnson is lost without a crowd to play up to.
There’s a weird fixation with how Starmer performs in PMQs and comparisons with his predecessors but it really matters very little. What % of the electorate would you wager will even watch one full PMQs from now until the next election? And the way TV condenses the whole thing into short clips on the news you never get a real sense of who “won” or how good/bad someone was. It’s a charade anyway, Starmer will deliver a credible point in his forensic but uncharismatic fashion, then Johnson with his cronies back will spit something about Marxism and Labour crashing the economy and the house will erupt in laughter and jeering. Rinse and repeat for 4 years.
Six times? Ha, call that patriotism! I cried 13 times while stroking a biography of Churchill and sipping tea from my Queen Elizabeth II mug. I love my country very much.
#NotACult
Personally thought it's wept but English isn't my first language
Both are acceptable, I prefer wept though. Typical of Jess Phillips to opt for the least desirable option.
ah yes, 2012 the good old days of David Cameron and George Osbourne.
Both are acceptable, I prefer wept though. Typical of Jess Phillips to opt for the least desirable option.
Wait i thought if weep was used for tears then its wept if it's a leak or drainage then it's weeped. Which means that tweet...
Wait i thought if weep was used for tears then its wept if it's a leak or drainage then it's weeped. Which means that tweet...
I fear, Jess, that's a mild breakdown and not patriotism.
It all happened in one moment, sorry movement!
Taking a thread off topic
He's not Kanye West, that's for true. $1m paid for every newborn? That's straight out of the Corbyn playbook.
Do you not think it's a bit of a leap to use something Kanye West said to criticise Corbyn in the Keir Starmer thread?
Have you not visited this thread recently?
It's fun to poke the Corbynites here that are desperate to put Starmer down in order to find some semblance of credibility for their fallen Messiah.Humour isn't allowed. Noted.
Starmer now for some reason demanding that Sturgeon condemn Alex Salmond for hosting an RT show - despite the fact that he's not an SNP member and despite the fact that she already publicly condemned him 3 years ago.
That whole bit is bizarre.
So opposed to the threat of foreign influence to UK democracy that his first piece as Labour leader was behind Rupert Murdoch's paywall
At least we know who will actually be in charge if Starmer is PM.
Ian McNichol is now suing the Labour Party. I guess he wants in on that easy settlement money.
Not only him
apparently 32 people.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...ing-the-party-over-leaked-antisemitism-report
And wait till the EHRC report drops - potentially a huge amount of legal cases to come from that
Rosie Duffield MP telling a person of ethnic minority that she will only defend them against racism if they never criticise her for anything, after attempting to orchestrate a twitter pile-on against said person.
Must be a hold up with the focus groups that's stopping Sir Keith from telling her to delete this.
perhaps they are a bit busy with this lot (and the draft EHRC report they have)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1151105418283880448.html
I know you are a far right guido fan so this is probably what you're aiming for, but it kind of comes off as a bit racist when you consistently derail discussions about other forms of racism in this way.
Over the course of a few years @sun_tzu's posts in Labour-related threads have consistently demonstrated a complete lack of interest in racism and antisemitism beyond how they can used against the left. It's depressingly predictable at this stage.
He has such an unhealthy obsession with it, you get the impression he rubs his hands with glee every time he hears another story of alleged Jewish suffering. It’s a very perverse fixation. I hate the Tory party, but I’d genuinely be delighted if a credible independent body investigated them, say for Islamophobia, and found the problem was not as severe and systemic as it appears. That should be welcomed, not lamented that a chance to score a political point has gone.
hummm statts for lefties ...
anyway as its the starmer thread from the same poll
want me to remind you of the jezbollah figures?
Largely the Sunak factor since he's been able to dish out handouts from the magic money tree. Dodds was an odd appointment for me and she'll be gone before the next election i reckon.
Mate you regularly post stuff from fecking Guido. At least that twitter account doesn't make shit up to serve a hard right agenda.
The main thing to read into that is how ridiculously skewed our media and institutions are. The chasm between trusting the Tories with the economy v Labour simply would not exist if we had anything close to a democratic press system. Farcical really how entrenched the consensus is about Labour not being trusted with the economy. I’m too lazy to look but it’s even more bizarre when I bet austerity, the Tory’s flagship economic policy for the past decade, is viewed poorly by a substantial amount of the public.
Good point from Bastani who can be hit and miss. Tories have increased their vote share in every election since 1997 I believe. That’s incredible, really. Labour suffers because too many people are wedded to that same year and think Blair stumbled upon some magical formula for winning and all that has to be done is to revive it and you’ll be sorted.
The party needs to start taking a much more proactive and bold approach to policy, or else it risks conceding all ground to the Tories and then having to debate it on terms not set by itself. That’s a recipe for electoral irrelevance.