Well the trans community is the sole reason why the country is in such a state, so misgendering them is fair game I suppose.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Well the trans community is the sole reason why the country is in such a state, so misgendering them is fair game I suppose.
I had no idea about this.
They couldn’t even last a few weeks
The leadership and the PLP is really full of the worst reactionaries in the country.
Honestly if they introduced PR for elections it would be worth it, as that would change politics for the better. But they won't for whatever reason. So here we are.
One of the good guys.
What a trustworthy man
Because donations would plummet as more parties would be in play.
What point are you making here? The clip proves the point I'm making?
Agreed - lot of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics. If you think this is bad, you should read some of @nickm 's takes on the Palestine thread.
Just in the point in my previous posts about why would they do that to justify murder of another group of people but I'm not going to further derail this thread.
I don't think that's any justification though (but agree no point in further derailing).
Some of the posters in the Transgender Rights thread definitely believe this.
Gaza and Israel will not be the major factor at the election, as I am sure you will agree.
The difference re: defending Labour, is about supporting an elected government that is trying to clean up a terrible mess, and will have a rough ride doing so, vs supporting a rabble who had no chance of being elected and who refused to do anything about it when they were told why. In doing so, they helped enable the situation we are in now. Thanks!
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I think there's been enough actual research done on Corbyn's electoral appeal done by experts (let alone his failure in 2 general elections) to prove you wrong. ie let it go.
This is it in a 'nutshell'.
The last 14 years of Tory rule have been added to by things like Covid, the war in Ukraine. Besides the (by now expected) natural mess left by Tories after they have stripped out all the low hanging fruit. The two massive events above and the crazy net zero approach taken, have put the country in hock for years, and if it took 14 years to get here, its going to take 15 years (at least) to get back some semblance of 'a future' for most of the populace.
Labours first term will be clearing the rubble and they are being honest about it. For me the biggest success in their first term would be to get rid of that 'working poor' theme, that is an insult to everyone who wants to work, wants to contribute. Finding new jobs would be a bonus, making sure those who are working are getting a fairs days pay is essential.
Yes, it was all Corbyn and his appeal, not the smear campaign, being actively sabotaged by his own party and voters like you, who had no interest in holding your nose and just voting to prevent further Tory calamity. It's actually the fault of the people who voted for him. What idiots for participating in the democratic process.
Meanwhile, this dude who breaks promises and reverses positions more often than most change their bedsheets is trustworthy and is going to do a very good job at cleaning up this mess, a mess him and his surrogates have gone on record to say that they like very much and will in fact not be cleaning up. Also doesn't give a toss about racism in his own party. But I suppose that kind of thing only matter when the leader gets a bit to lefty.
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Labour may fail to grab target seats as young voters turn away over Gaza and climate
Party figures say decision to tack to right on issues such as immigration could also diminish predicted landslide
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-young-voters-turn-away-over-gaza-and-climate
Party figures say decision to tack to right on issues such as immigration could also diminish predicted landslide
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-young-voters-turn-away-over-gaza-and-climate
Well, I guess we can blame all the young voters if the Tories get back in...
Everything would be great if it weren't for these stupid voters.
Party at risk of losing out on seats by abandoning issues that resonate with core base. Funny that.
In all seriousness, I don't think it would diminish their chances of securing a landslide at the GE, but their pandering to the right is a very shortsighted strategy that could end up costing them in the long term. All it takes is an electoral cycle of the Tories getting their shit back together and conjuring a semblance of competence, and the temporary voters he would have gained will have returned to the Tories, all the while his base will have long abandoned him since then.
Same as you did if you didn't vote for the candidate that could have beaten the Tories in the last election. People who empowered the last 5 years of decline by not voting for the credible Anti-Tory candidate in the last election are responsible for the position the country is in.
Govts lose elections, oppositions don't win them, as the saying goes. We will have to agree to disagree - IMO the reason labour are so far ahead is because of the nuclear scale incompetence. But Labour made themselves middle-ground credible (where elections are won), that is not a function of the Tory's idiocy.
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If there's one thing you can be sure of from Corbyn apologists, it is the bitter disregard of all the polling evidence which demonstrated how disliked he was by the people whose votes labour needed to win. It's a cult.
Nobody is arguing that he was liked though? People are arguing about why he was disliked. I thought that was incredibly obvious?
Some people are still clinging to the notion that anyone who supported Corbyn did so because they thought he was amazing. He wasn't. But he was credible in his belief in what he said. Personally though, I'd have been delighted if, in 2019 when it was clear he wouldn't win, he'd have handed over to someone better suited to seeing through an actual leftist agenda.
He was great in a lot of ways but he had flaws. I was more taken by his policies than the man himself, the policies that Starmer said he would continue with and build upon. Unfortunately we won't be given a chance at a left wing platform for a long time now, you're probably right about him handing over the reigns to someone else, maybe like Clive Lewis or someone?
*Left wing party leans left and loses*
Goddam young people made the party too radical!
*Left wing party leans centrist and loses*
Goddam young people abandoned our electable centrist!
Are Labour offering anything anymore? It's unusual in just how many of their promises they've abandoned before winning office.
I don't know enough about Clive Lewis to say either way. To be honest, I don't know who would have been a good candidate. I don't follow internal Labour or Momentum type circles closely enough to have an opinion on that.
It's all about the policies for me, so I was quite happy to get behind someone who was a bit wooly. A bit crap at dealing with certain situations, because it was obvious that his heart was genuinely in the right place.
Today is a good day to bring this up.
Before the Angela Raynor issue splashed the whole day Starmer was talking about nuclear deterrence. I remember Corbyn saying he wouldn't use nukes even if we were attacked by nukes. Even if you thought that, saying it out loud as a would be PM is a monumentally stupid thing to do. Zero benefit for the UK but virtue signaling is all the cult knows.
And I remember the Salisbury attack and his weak minded dross answers about Russia. (This is pre him going on Putin's Russia Today propaganda channel for the money).
I always thought the guy was a good geography teacher wasted but I was being generous as he couldn't find his own ass if given the co-ordinates.
I would take a diminished landslide in a heart beat over any of the last few elections under the amazingly popular political genius that was the second coming of JC.
Insulting another member
Yeah, those aren't the main reasons he was hated though. Although I can tell from your comments that your just another arrogant centrist who enjoys the smell of your own farts a little too much so do carry on.
The only reason I bring up Clive Lewis is because he was a member of the SCG and also had a military background so many of the criticisms aimed at Corbyn could not be used against Lewis.
I personally think more politicians should be like Corbyn, people with genuine empathy and a focus on improving the lives of ordinary people. Some people have a fetish for being told what to do by psychopaths, that's the reason we're in the situation we're in.
This is uniformly the most toxic thread on the CAF at the moment. People who otherwise I reckon hold many overlapping views (other than nickm, who seems to revel in winding people up with how he talks) end up sniping at each other nonstop, in increasingly personal ways.
This is the issue some are missing I think. In his efforts to be bullet proof to Tory/ right wing media talking points, he offers almost nothing, except slightly less culture wars and slightly less corruption.
Which makes a lot of people shrug their shoulders and think what's the point?
I think this was always his plan, this isn't a byproduct.
It definitely seems like it. I just think its a bad plan. Even just 1 or 2 things would give some carrot to voters. Instead it's like he's completely stopped appealing to anyone to the left of Theresa May.
I mean polling a certain way in advance of an election no one knows is happening means not that much imo, the Tory middle ground will always tighten up when it comes to nut cutting time they always do
Yeah but his goal is to remove the left from relevance and completely disenfranchise us, so far he's delivering on that.
It is, and the only positive aspect of this thread is it tends to keep the worst of the bickering and name calling out of the Westminster politics thread.