There is currently a campaign to nationalise Bulb energy.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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There is currently a campaign to nationalise Bulb energy.
They will ignore that, even if it gets 10m signatures.
The only petitions Government have to respond to are the UK Parliament ones.
Which people who start these things really should be told.
(Not trying to shoot the messenger!)
I'd have thought it could take on a failing utility in one sense, to ensure ongoing services for its customers, but no idea if it could just write off its debts.
I guess it could potentially undercut providers - state subsidy laws are EU rules it could ditch - but I'm sure it would face legal challenges and complications.
The fractured state of the market is a problem- Bulb isn't a producer, it just sells gas on I believe, so the government would also have to pay through the nose to buy the gas for its customers.
That is meant as a joke but I know people who have done that for that reason.
Why should they give away well over £100 a year to an organisation that seemingly isn't trying to help them?
Why should they give away well over £100 a year to an organisation that seemingly isn't trying to help them?
the conservatives winning the next election should be about 10000/1. only two things will make it possible. starmer being starmer and some kind of economic recovery that has never happened in the history of the universe. which means it's less relevant to me if they win; much more relevant is what they plan to do. which they have no policy on as of yet.
Concerning in a number of ways that this hasn't been bumped in a month. Probably indicative of what Labour has or has not been doing.
Anyway, let's restart it:
Anyway, let's restart it:
Should go full PR. Our "democracy" is broken.
Brown got a lot more right than wrong in my opinion, but I'll wait for a legit version before considering it. Leaks are so often bollocks by journalists desperate to make copy, even the likes of 'the guardian has seen' variety.
The Labour Files: The Purge I Al Jazeera Investigations
Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663
Read the room mate Jesus ChristSir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663
Why does he never do joint appearances with Rayner? Would look great for unity and you'd see little elements of all the things that might appeal to you in the Labour party, whether that's vacant suit politics or fiery, left(ish) politics. Can they really not stand each other so much that they can't pretend to be matey and agree with each other a bit in a joint interview?
Rayner came across Okish in her interview attacking the budget but it's very striking that it takes her to come out and attack it while Starmer hides somewhere. It's an utterly bizarre strategy if that's what it is. Surely they could practice playing nice with each other on such a big topic.
Rayner came across Okish in her interview attacking the budget but it's very striking that it takes her to come out and attack it while Starmer hides somewhere. It's an utterly bizarre strategy if that's what it is. Surely they could practice playing nice with each other on such a big topic.
Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663
Priorities.
Good points.
Sir Keir Starmer will pay tribute to the late Queen at the opening of the four-day event in Liverpool on Sunday, before members sing God Save the King
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nati...r-conference-for-first-time-in-years-12701663
Had brexit not happened there is no chance labour would be doing this.
It's worrying that they feel the need to show more patriotism than the Tory's. I know for the past 4 or 5 years every Tory MP has appeared on TV with the Union flag prominently on display, sometimes with a pic of the queen, but I think labour going down that road looks as cynical as it obviously is.
This could have the opposite effect and turn off many voters, including those who are already fairly pro Labour. As another posted said, read the room, this is neither the time nor the place.
Do you think they will pay tribute to the dignified way she ensured race relations laws didn't apply to Royal Palaces?
Corbyn right again
I mean even the leader of the Labour republican movement thinks its reasonable to sing the anthem to mark the death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63024360
Why is that antisemite even commenting on Labour Party issues... he should be concentrating on running as an independent or sorting his own party out
When will you learn...
"Antisemitism issue used as ‘factional weapon’ in Labour, report finds"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tional-weapon-labour-party-forde-report-finds
Oh wait, that's not about Corbyn, that's about Darren Grimes.
I voted for Labour under Corbyn twice in general elections, I wish he'd won, I wish we had a very left wing Government.
The fact is though England is a naturally right wing country, people do not trust socialism , they seem to think the Tories are the rightful default party of Government and they generally loathed Corbyn. A large part of that is because of the power and dominance of the right wing media.
I really don't think it helps when people keep bringing Corbyn back up. It's over, he was given a ridiculously tough ride by the Media I know but the fact is he presided over the worst Labour election defeat in 80 years. For Labour to get in power they have to toe the line and walk a very fine line, it's shit but it's how it is. For example, Starmer on the picket lines would have pleased a lot of labour voters but the right wing press would have had a field day with it and millions of in the middle voters would have been turned away from Labour.
Lets just get rid of the Tories and go from there, that has to be the main priority and like him or not Labour look a million times more likely to win now than they did under Corbyn.
The fact is though England is a naturally right wing country, people do not trust socialism , they seem to think the Tories are the rightful default party of Government and they generally loathed Corbyn. A large part of that is because of the power and dominance of the right wing media.
I really don't think it helps when people keep bringing Corbyn back up. It's over, he was given a ridiculously tough ride by the Media I know but the fact is he presided over the worst Labour election defeat in 80 years. For Labour to get in power they have to toe the line and walk a very fine line, it's shit but it's how it is. For example, Starmer on the picket lines would have pleased a lot of labour voters but the right wing press would have had a field day with it and millions of in the middle voters would have been turned away from Labour.
Lets just get rid of the Tories and go from there, that has to be the main priority and like him or not Labour look a million times more likely to win now than they did under Corbyn.
the labour party, the parliamentary labour party, purposefully conspired against its own leadership throughout two general elections.
let's just forget about that and elect those same people, though.
brilliant. all of those pledges he made when he became leader, before he purged the party, will help transform the country.
Fine, don't vote for Labour then and let's have another 12 years of the Tories, and not just any Tories but Liz Truss super far right Tories.
The internal fighting with Labour is infuriating.
maybe it needs to be destroyed. reconsidering what happened from 2015-19, you could come to worse conclusions. it isn't infighting that saw starmer drop all his pledges. it's labour, as it exists in its centrist plp form, that's the problem. it's not labour, but a centrist liberal death cult. if the only option is to play the american game of "can't let them get into power" then i don't care. that's a system and party which needs to die if that's all it can offer.
Look I imagine my politics are very similar to yours. I'd love a proper left wing Government, if the option was Corbyn as PM or Starmer as PM I'd want Corbyn to win every time.
I just think it's been 12 years now of The Tories, and they're getting more and more right wing each leader they choose and more and more dangerous. You aren't going to change the system from the opposition.
you aren't going to change it from non-opposition either. starmer is the system. he's offering nothing. he's the culture war's choice in an economic disaster. an aesthetic alteration. i'd still prefer labour to win, sure, but that preference grows smaller by the day. they offer less and less.
He's better than the Tories. You're not going to vote then anyway I take it so there's no point.
My hope is they have to go in with the Lib Dems who force PR on them.
basically everything alive is better than the tories. that's such a low bar to set. but is he better than the tories to the thousands of people he's expelled? probably, which tells you something, but it's also not going to be clearcut which tells you something else. not sure i could vote for this iteration of labour, no.
If Nick Clegg hadn't been so incompetent, we would have PR already. The Lib Dems blew that chance unfortunately so let's hope they learned the lessons if they get another chance at the next election.
Am I right in thinking PR would potentially hurt Labour but also make it almost impossible for the Tories to ever win a majority again?
If that's the case PR is an absolute must .