Not strictly true. Altogether I see your point. Starmer seems as right wing as Boris! But if he had stuck to his 10 pledges we might've seen more unity.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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I often discuss this, but it is very interesting to see these projections. Thanks for sharing.Yes, the demographic change is stark.
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2019/10/Ageing-fast-and-slow.pdf
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2017/01/Live-long-and-prosper.pdf
The Resolution Foundation has done a lot of fascinating research on this phenomenon. The years 1985 - 2005 were roughly the sweet spot demographically as the working age population was huge due to the Baby Boomer wave growing up... now they've got to retirement and we've got to pay for them.
Taxes are only going up further from here, I'm afraid.
True although there's no way he is going to win enough of that older home owner reactionary base to pull out a election win. Also I'm sure there is the same level of commitment to the labour party as there is the the democratic party in the US. In the next election I can see people repeating what happened in 2015 and simply stay home and not voting.
But yeah going more to the right is now his only option.
Yes, but there is some scope for that considering the number of retired people with a relatively high disposable income, and assets to boot. The problem is getting people to vote for a party that will do that, which means a party that is trusted to run the economy as a whole and do it fairly, and not out of envy or prejudice. I cringe every time I hear 'wealth tax', it's a terminology with failure built in.
You say that but large parts of the Blair playbook have worked extremely well for the Tories, who have been totally unafraid to apply it.
But hey, both Blair and the Tories are evil, which means morally, lessons must not be learned, or something equally soft headed.
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Unity is essential, the electorate hates a divided party, but it has to be the right kind of unity. The electorate can see right through the kind of armed truce that pretends to be unity and I'm afraid that's what we've had since Corbynism got murdered at the last election.
Starmer won’t win a GE… on his current course, he will alienate as many people as disaffected Tories he might win over. All whilst turning the younger generations away from politics.
Listening to him chat to Kuennsberg now. He keeps saying the only important thing is Labour winning. Most voters think he should resign according to today’s polling. If he only cared about Labour winning, he’d surely step aside for the good of the party?
It’s a real shame Burnham isn’t an MP as he’d walk a leadership challenge now assuming he could get enough nominations to be on the ballot. He’s light years ahead of Starmer and would win over far more voters even with a much more radical policy platform.
Listening to him chat to Kuennsberg now. He keeps saying the only important thing is Labour winning. Most voters think he should resign according to today’s polling. If he only cared about Labour winning, he’d surely step aside for the good of the party?
It’s a real shame Burnham isn’t an MP as he’d walk a leadership challenge now assuming he could get enough nominations to be on the ballot. He’s light years ahead of Starmer and would win over far more voters even with a much more radical policy platform.
No problem.
Not away from politics, towards Greens.
Current Labour are like the worst of the Lib Dem’s 10 years ago.
Surely changing the electoral system means basically lib-lab coalitions for eternity - so you won't be getting what you want there either, altough I agree with you that FTP has to go
I really hope so… young people becoming much more engaged has been one of the better things to happen in our political landscape over recent years.
Join us, children.
I disagree - I think there would be large shifts in voting if we weren't shackled by constituencies.
Would tbf. Got that Addams family vibe
She probably wouldn't feck you, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I meant vote for her you savage!
Watching the Green Party canvasing next election as I stay home.
That's disgusting. You live in a two-party state and you'll damn well accept it.
Watching the Green Party canvasing next election as I stay home.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine 4 left parties on 6% each - forever.
Can't be any worse than the current bunch of charlatans.
He really isn't selling himself well to the public.
If it wasn’t a serious subject this would be considered trolling by now
I remember people joking during the leadership election that he is really a Mi5 spy who's job is to destroy the labour party
I'm willingly to lie in order to gain political power is interesting political message.
It doesn't seem to stop people supporting Boris..his lack of honesty is worn on his sleeve as a badge
Thankfully not even he is stupid enough to run with that whilst his only attack on the Tories is them breaking their manifesto promises.
Oh.
"But I won't break promises made to the electorate during the election if I get into power. Because I'm electable. Honest."
I'm just confused as to whether Starmer thinks his advisors expect him to be electable. It seems fairly obvious they'll off him when they've got what they needed.
The guy is so shite at speaking. The suit was doing all the work in the leadership elections.
I've always assumed he's in on it. I don't think he's naive enough to actually think picking these fights helps him win an election. Not the next one, at least. Maybe he thinks he can scrape by with a creditable defeat and then win 5 years later but I imagine his main aim is to do the dirty work for the person who takes over on an identical platform after the election defeat is blamed on Starmer's lack of personality.
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it was a dutch poll, with "the party for animals", the labour party, the greenleft, and the socialist party on 6% each.
"I went to work for Keir Starmer because he promised to unite the party. I regret it now"
Simon Fletcher
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/28/keir-starmer-leadership-labour-leader-left
Simon Fletcher
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/28/keir-starmer-leadership-labour-leader-left
As an outsider he appears as unelectable as Corbyn
No he's electable. Didn't you hear him say how he's serious about winning and that he's going focus on the things that lead to a win?
How you ask? Easy, he's going to avoid doing the stuff that doesn't lead to a win. Smarts see.
Only a winner would focus on winning. It's a completely genius concept that is obviously above your intellectual capacity see.
To the people who watch PM question Time does Starmer have a good performance there?