Kai Havertz

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RobinLFC said:
Which isn't beyond the realm of possibilities imo (without looking at your schedule, but I know you have us as second or third game already). It usually takes time for new players to settle in, different club and different league and all that. Werner might hit the ground running, he might not, same goes for Havertz and Ziyech. Chilwell should slot right in but let's say Thiago Silva also joins, that's potentially / probably 2 new starters in your back four, in front of a goalkeeper they might not have confidence in (right away)...

All difficult to predict really, but Lampard might be wise to ease them in (or at least some of them) instead of dropping 5 new signings into his starting XI. Klopp always does too (e.g. Fabinho) and it usually pays off in the long run. But yeah, especially given the fact that Utd hasn't brought in anyone of note and Tottenham neither (I think), a comfortable top 4 finish should be the minimum for you guys. Perhaps finishing close to us/City is also possible if it all clicks sooner than later.
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Agreed and I believe we play you GW2. A recent Chelsea example is Pulisic - I thought Lampard did a good job of letting him get acclimated and it paid off down the stretch.

One (possible) slightly mitigating factor is that for Werner and Ziyech at least, they've been training with us for weeks now and thus may be more bedded in than a typical signing. That said, this obviously doesn't apply to the others and it all might wind up being tosh regardless.
 
This is a filthy bit of bizness from Chelsea. Great transferring. But proof of the pudding is.....

But certainly their squad looks geared up for great things.

We look very static by comparison. No point wasting cash for the sake of big signings ( a la Barcelona) but Chelsea snapping up all this top talent does look enticing and I expect them to be a threat next season.

Depth. Seeing Bayern rotate Perisic with Coman makes me very jealous. A big difference to a bang out of form Rashford rotating with Dan James. I am in mental anguish typing this.
 
Seems like Chelsea are buying a whole new team. Will they even have time enough to even learn each other names before the league starts? I´m considering putting my money on Lampard being the first manager to be sacked this season.
 
Joe Cool said:
It surely is at least a two year project and by this I mean that this summer we completely rebuild the attacking line and the next summer we finally resolve the CB partnership and hopefully a new keeper comes in.

Whoever says we should win the title this coming season and anything other than that is a failure is as deluded as it gets.

Probably 3rd this season and maybe UCL QF, the attacking players get to settle to the PL pace and will have had one full season playing together, Reece James and the new LB cement their place and then there is only going to be the CB problem we will have to deal with and ONLY BY THEN we could say Chelsea is ready to challenge for the league title and at least a CL final in the coming seasons.

Going by the reports Thiago Silva looks done and dusted which IMHO is a brilliant deal FOR CHELSEA. Maybe he is too old and past his prime for other clubs, which I agree with, but FOR CHELSEA this would be a brilliant deal. At 36 he is miles ahead of all our current centre backs and if you ask me I would pair him with Azpilicueta at CB just because I simply do not trust any of the other CBs we have. Zouma, Christensen and that reckless, bomb ticking clown Rudiger are simply average, Arsenal/West Ham material.
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Deluded ? Seriously dude ? You spent 250m . A top 4 team who has spent 250m cannot be considered as a title contender? Anything below top 2 should be considered as a failure. You guys have the best squad after City.
 
bond19821982 said:
Deluded ? Seriously dude ? You spent 250m . A top 4 team who has spent 250m cannot be considered as a title contender? Anything below top 2 should be considered as a failure. You guys have the best squad after City.
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Well that's just ridiculous. Liverpool and City are still comfortably ahead - especially with the condensed nature of next season's fixtures, having a squad that's already bedded in and settled is even more valuable. These signings are great but they're not making up a 30 point deficit.
 
bond19821982 said:
Deluded ? Seriously dude ? You spent 250m . A top 4 team who has spent 250m cannot be considered as a title contender? Anything below top 2 should be considered as a failure. You guys have the best squad after City.
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Context matters though. Expecting a brand new team to suddenly fight with a team who have reached 90+ points 2 years running is a bit wild. If Liverpool drop off a bit then we can challenge, but if they keep up the relentless pace of almost 100 points, then we'll likely be some way off the pace.
 
WeePat said:
Context matters though. Expecting a brand new team to suddenly fight with a team who have reached 90+ points 2 years running is a bit wild. If Liverpool drop off a bit then we can challenge, but if they keep up the relentless pace of almost 100 points, then we'll likely be some way off the pace.
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Yeah would be a stretch to think otherwise. If Liverpool implode for some reason then Chelsea on paper have a good chance, with City's level of play yet to be determined.
 
Good signing for Chelsea but not a position we needed to strengthen so not sure why there’s such a meltdown about it.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
Here's the thing. They know he's an elite talent and he has the potential to be one of the best players in the league in a very short time. 80+20 isn't nothing, but he's blue chip. It's high risk, but it's also potentially high pay off. You don't push the envelope, then you don't make great strides. We want top four only? Keep doing what we're doing and just add a few players for "squad depth", but we all know that we need more individual quality. Not marginally better players than we have, but significantly better ones.
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Sure good points. But as a club, Chelsea have been making too many safe signings in recent years. I’m glad the club are just getting this kid whatever he costs.
 
youngrell said:
Good signing for Chelsea but not a position we needed to strengthen so not sure why there’s such a meltdown about it.
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It’s not havertz I just think we are annoyed because they are showing intent....these signings aren’t squad fillers they are quality first team additions.
 
€100 m in total for Havertz, no way Dortmund will accept less than €120 m for Sancho. If we want him we are going to have to pay the price and forget about this value in the market crap.
 
If Lampard doesn’t challenge from the off he’ll be out of a job I reckon.
 
Renegade said:
If Lampard doesn’t challenge from the off he’ll be out of a job I reckon.
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I think it would take a Mourinho second stint disaster for Frank to be in danger. Even then he's got so much credit in the bank that I don't think there's even a slight chance he gets sacked this year.
 
Lampard doesn't get sacked unless we are somewhere around the relegation zone by December. And that's not happening. I'd be happy if we could make up 15-20 points on the top two next season regardless of our position in top 4. That'll represent progress for me.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
It’s not havertz I just think we are annoyed because they are showing intent....these signings aren’t squad fillers they are quality first team additions.
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That’s fair enough I suppose. We need to remember Chelsea are playing catch up from their ban though, so their spending is inevitable (and the fact City blew FFP out of the water).
 
Renegade said:
If Lampard doesn’t challenge from the off he’ll be out of a job I reckon.
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The rules will be at least somewhat different for Frank than they have been with previous managers. Not to mention Roman has become less trigger happy in recent years.
 
youngrell said:
That’s fair enough I suppose. We need to remember Chelsea are playing catch up from their ban though, so their spending is inevitable (and the fact City blew FFP out of the water).
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Technically they planned for their ban with Kovacic being a loan to buy and Pulisic being bought in January as a summer purchase. Its not like they were caught off guard by the ban and it fecked up their plans. They're just spending with the intent to compete, which is what we aren't doing right now. Havertz going for €100m but we won't cough up €120m for Sancho... fecks sake.
 
So chelsea showed the balls to spend around 90 million on havertz but united wont touch sancho for 110-120 despite currently having a more proven track order than havertz of consistently delivering at a world class standard.

Oh well there is always brooks to waste money on in the hope getting a potential star on the cheap just like we did with james which has turned out a money well spent.......
 
A reported 300K per week wages for the 21-year-old Havertz has been agreed, which literally breaks the wage structure at Chelsea.

This takes the overall payment over 5 years close to 180m !

(P.S. Reports from The Sun...so not very sure)
 
TheLord said:
A reported 300K per week wages for the 21-year-old Havertz has been agreed, which literally breaks the wage structure at Chelsea.

This takes the overall payment over 5 years close to 180m !

(P.S. Reports from The Sun...so not very sure)
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The Daily Mail are reporting 130K
 
TheLord said:
A reported 300K per week wages for the 21-year-old Havertz has been agreed, which literally breaks the wage structure at Chelsea.

This takes the overall payment over 5 years close to 180m !

(P.S. Reports from The Sun...so not very sure)
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Last statement is very relevant
 
Morata and Kepa were chelsea's massive and expensive recent blunders. They somewhat recovered Morata money but it would be interesting to see how they recover Kepa. His current valuation must be not over 25% of the money chelsea spent.
 
Orc said:
I think it would take a Mourinho second stint disaster for Frank to be in danger. Even then he's got so much credit in the bank that I don't think there's even a slight chance he gets sacked this year.
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Where does that Lampard credit come from and why doesn’t OGS enjoy the same from a minority of United fans?
 
Orc said:
I think it would take a Mourinho second stint disaster for Frank to be in danger. Even then he's got so much credit in the bank that I don't think there's even a slight chance he gets sacked this year.
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Roman is a ruthless businessman. So, after spending so much - which also requires tremendous hard work from the entire management team - if lampard doesn't at least challenge for the title and say he remains out of top 4 by christmas then he will be out. Roman has sacked managers that won the title previous year. Lampard barely finished 4 last season.
 
Kai is a great first name. Here is Tifo's view of Havertz on Liverpool. They talk about his attributes of a player though.

 
Mount's Goatieson said:
Lampard doesn't get sacked unless we are somewhere around the relegation zone by December. And that's not happening. I'd be happy if we could make up 15-20 points on the top two next season regardless of our position in top 4. That'll represent progress for me.
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You are forgetting Roman's track record. And also forgetting Chelsea is the club you are currently is due to Roman's emotionless ruthlessness. Like players he will get rid of manager who isn't delivering.
 
Tony247 said:
You are forgetting Roman's track record. And also forgetting Chelsea is the club you are currently is due to Roman's emotionless ruthlessness. Like players he will get rid of manager who isn't delivering.
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Lampard did well last season even our board didn't expect top 4 finish. Buck s latest interview backing him and claimed Chelsea have entered the phase of having a manager Chelsea through and through. Board supported his words by backing Lampard as much as they can by signing world class talents.

Lampard had good season with what he got and he updated his team's playing staff with Werner ziyech havertz possibly Silva and chilwell. So I don't think he will do worse than last season. We will expect minimum 15+ total from last season.
 
Suvvernmanc said:
Pulisic Werner Ziyech
-------- Havertz
Kante --- Kovacic

Chelsea will be signing Silva and maybe Chilwell too. That is them signing top players for each of their weak positions.:eek:
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true... its also a lot of players to integrate into a squad and get used to playing with each other with a very short pre-season - plus they have not addressed arguably their weakest position (keeper)
 
sun_tzu said:
true... its also a lot of players to integrate into a squad and get used to playing with each other with a very short pre-season - plus they have not addressed arguably their weakest position (keeper)
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I think the fact they will have Mount, abraham, Giroud and Pulisic available from the start, on top of Werner and Zyech, they can integrate slowly if needs be. Havertz will gifted the free role behind the striker so he can be afforded a slower start due to his role. What I mean by that is he wont be expected to defend like the other midfielders/wingers.

Chelsea's numbers/quality in depth in attacking areas is what UTD need to have. James and Mata are nowhere near good enough. That leaves the 3 of Rashford, Martial and Greenwood. Doesnt look great for us when you compare us and others.

Chelsea's new signings will hit the ground running in my opinion and they'll have quality bench options too.
 
In a few years Kai Havertz will definitely make me look foolish and like an absolute idiot. So many football players who I respect and admire believe he's going to be the next big thing as a forward or striker and who am I to say he won't be.

But to my eyes when I watch Leverkusen play I see a talented and very neat player with good size. But at a staggering 100m €, raelly?

Hope he will be amazing for whichever club he signs. God knows Germany needs a world-class striker in the national team.
 
Bazi said:
In a few years Kai Havertz will definitely make me look foolish and like an absolute idiot. So many football players who I respect and admire believe he's going to be the next big thing as a forward or striker and who am I to say he won't be.

But to my eyes when I watch Leverkusen play I see a talented and very neat player with good size. But at a staggering 100m €, raelly?

Hope he will be amazing for whichever club he signs. God knows Germany needs a world-class striker in the national team.
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Isn't werner any good? It'll be good for Germany to have both havertz and Warner at the same club tbh. Playing together week in week out would be a great benefit.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Isn't werner any good? It'll be good for Germany to have both havertz and Warner at the same club tbh. Playing together week in week out would be a great benefit.
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Timo Werner has been absolutely horrendous for the German National Team. He has no real hold-up and link-up play in possession to speak of and is a negative value in those set-ups in my personal opinion. I'm really glad Bayern didn't sign him. I think it would have been a big mistake.

But you're right about Werner and Havertz possibly forming some sort of chemistry together. Maybe they will become so good as a duo that it would make sense for Löw to change the way the National Team plays. It's definitely possible. But I have my doubts about Werner. Havertz is probably going to be more than fine. I can definitely see the potential. I just think it's a bet on his future more so than what he is today. You can't make the same bet on Werner.
 
News are now breaking that we have wrapped up the deal. Kai wasn't at leverkusen training today
 
Chelsea has won the transfer window trophy. Lampard will be under great pressure to perform now.
 
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