You’re still here?He won two cups, this very season.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Jota has not been in the team constantly for a while now as well so his scoring hasn't been the same as the start of the season. But you need to make the right calls in such games and pick horses for courses. Everyone expected Madrid to spend the first half containing Liverpool and Liverpool to come straight out of the blocks and get their goals in that phase. That's how it went except there was no chemistry in the front three to create the high quality chances that we usually see them doing. That was the most important part of the game for them and had Klopp nailed that front three and the attacking tactic it could have been game over. What actually happened was utterly disjointed and Diaz dropped an absolute stinker.
As I said he fell for recency bias and failed to see what has worked for him the entire season and got him to this point.
He’s going to commission for stronger inhalers isn’t he?
Liverpool has peaked. They can’t get better then what they have done. They have been phenomenal for years but don’t have enough to show for it.
They huff and puff but they can never blow the house down.
They huff and puff but they can never blow the house down.
I think they have one last go around if mane doesn’t leave.
but injuries etc. could dictate their season. Also will they continue to get piss easy draws?
Had the easiest run to a champions league final I can remember and then lost to the first top team they faced
Hopefully that’s the end of their cycle. Klopp leaves and they appoint a Mikel Arteta type who will have their fans expecting to finish 8th and satisfied with finishing 6th.
I think the media is the biggest issue. I agree that we’ve been rammed down everyone’s throats too much. Owen’s comments post match were cringey and so over the top.
That being said, Alexander-Arnold and Salah were daft.
But you’d still be mocking us regardless. Part of the fun of the rivalry.
This. Couldn’t play spurs in the final again could they?
continually avoid psg, Bayern etc.
They have been incredibly lucky all season long. Even the two domestic cups were decided by pens.
Even if they do it’s just not enough and it’s been proven. This squad is not enough to win the CL or EPL
If it were easy to almost stuff, we would have almost won stuff. But the record shows we were no close to winning stuff this season. I’m not here to big up Liverpool, but we should acknowledge that Liverpool put in a proper shift this season and came up just short against an inspired City side and an inspired Real side.
I dislike them as much as anyone, but it shouldn't be forgotten they've just lost both by 1 point and in a final!
What they had could easily have been enough, that's why we're all relieved!!
Gegenpressen has some value in an underdog side because you win 55% of your games through sheer tirelessness.
It won't take you to greatness, because if you win only 55% of your important games, you're not really dominating.
Stubborn grit suits a club that has to punch a mile upwards and hope to catch the giants off-balance. It's certainly not a platform for sustained success.
Especially if 63% of your players suffer from asthma and have to be medicated for that condition. It takes its toll.
Especially when they don't really have it. Then it really takes its toll on them. Then it's just doping, Jürgen, and it will only get you so far.
Your players are worn out from playing at 110% thanks to respiratory medication that permits them to keep running forever. They've burnt out.
Again.
Just like last time.
It won't take you to greatness, because if you win only 55% of your important games, you're not really dominating.
Stubborn grit suits a club that has to punch a mile upwards and hope to catch the giants off-balance. It's certainly not a platform for sustained success.
Especially if 63% of your players suffer from asthma and have to be medicated for that condition. It takes its toll.
Especially when they don't really have it. Then it really takes its toll on them. Then it's just doping, Jürgen, and it will only get you so far.
Your players are worn out from playing at 110% thanks to respiratory medication that permits them to keep running forever. They've burnt out.
Again.
Just like last time.
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Its not a given they remain at this level for much longer, Salah and Mane could both be gone pretty soon, they will have a hard time replacing them.
They really should have won more in these years.
They really should have won more in these years.
I'm a Munster and United fan and i spent all day yesterday in a pub in Dublin city centre, with around a hundred Leinster and Liverpool fans.
I'm honestly not sure how I wasn't lynched. My cheeks hurt from laughing.
I'm honestly not sure how I wasn't lynched. My cheeks hurt from laughing.
3 finals and they couldn't score. After all big month Robertson,TAA,Klopp said in the build up. After all the pudits telling us how great they are. They thought they had it won the minute Real got to the final.
Yesterday felt different, really like the end of whatever era you want to call it for this set of players, but particularly Mane and Salah as well as that midfield.
Picking yourself up from generic losses is one thing, but when you've been driven on a crest of a wave and have indulged in that hype, anything but achieving your objectives is going to be devastating, and further to that, losing the two big trophies in that manner is crushing.
Even if these players want to just go again, that momentum is not with them. Coping with adversity next season will be harder than this with the psychological seeds now a factor - there wasn't much more to be done and yet it was short of what was needed; City and Real are already bolstering with top quality talent and new energy, so to even achieve ceteris paribus, Liverpool will have to match that influx of talent and add it to what's there without losing their star turns.
Klopp's extremely highly rated, but if he can pick this side up to be in an equivalent position by April/May next season, he'll have gone up a level, in my estimation. I feel this is a pivotal 12 months for them.
I’ve read that the penumbral lunar eclipse on the 5th of May 2023 will be visible in Instanbul. Maybe he’s talking about that? 
Its going to take alot for goofy yellow tooth to bring them back from the brink next season.
The cycle is almost over unless they bring in several new faces, which is unlikely given how the team is already set.
We've seen it happen to the best of Manchester United sides in the past. The team needs a refresh and their owners can't be cheapskates. Otherwise they risk suffering from burnout.
The cycle is almost over unless they bring in several new faces, which is unlikely given how the team is already set.
We've seen it happen to the best of Manchester United sides in the past. The team needs a refresh and their owners can't be cheapskates. Otherwise they risk suffering from burnout.
Important summer for them ahead.
Just realized people are calling him Goofy nowWhen did it start?
It will be interesting. We have too many areas to replace so will have to keep some oldies. At the back Allison and VvD can keep going for another season but we may need back up as Matip's injury free run this season feels like a dream that we will wake up from very soon. I'm already forgetting Gomez.
TAA is getting a back up I believe. Robertson already has a brilliant one (and one that we don't play enough!!).
We need to spend around £80-100m in midfield. Two main, young, midfielders that are class. Shame Tchoumani is gone, but I'm sure others will be itching to play for the goofy, failure of a manager, Klopp. Keita may finally become a regular but I bet he also gets injured tying his shoes laces.
Finally we need to sell one of Mane or Salah. Not just for the money but we need to blood in replacements early. Might see another £40-50m spent here, but will be covered by a sale. Carvalho will need to step up quickly too.
And as mentioned elsewhere, we will have to bin off the cup competitions (now that we've already won them this season) until we have a squad to get this close to a quad again. Maybe 2024.
Replacing Salah or Mane will be tough, I'm not as hyped on Luis Diaz as others seem to be. I don't think he's at the level of either of the two, don't know if they will invest the money from selling either on buying another player in that role but I think they will have to find the next great winger.
Is he bad in finals because his style of play leaves them exhausted at the end of the season? It looked like Madrid’s game plan was just to let them tire themselves out in-game, and halfway through the second half they had nothing left. I’m sure they looked tired in their CL win against Spurs too.
You usually need a flamethrower in these situations, to be on the safe side.
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That's the whole point though, there fans are so entitled, they want to bin half the team, despite being in a period of unprecedented success.
On the league side of things they have been very unlucky. Their total points have been amazing and would have won them the league in almost any other season. Still they lost so that's a relief.
When the pressure was off. Every time they had to win, they bottled it
They were absolutely atrocious in that final vs Spurs. Dodgy pen early on then they just parked the bus for the rest of the game and grimly hung on. Late breakaway goal at the end to seal it.
They were just incredibly lucky to be playing Spurs that day, any of the usual CL finalists and they'd have lost.
It's an interesting theory you have though, he's obviously a great manager but his cup final record is really really poor, there must be a reason.
It was certainly a sight to behold I’ll give you that
I remember before the league was over that media were discussing if he is on SAF's level. Yet after 9 years all he has to show is one asterisk league title and a CL won against Spurs.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't enjoy yesterday because I absolutely loved it and dislike Liverpool more than any other team. But the fact remains they're a top side managed by a coach who we'd take in an instant. They were unlucky yesterday and losing the league by a point despite getting 90+ points also seems unlucky.
However, considering the run they got in all finals except the fa semi vs City I think they were lucky in that regard. Also the quality in Europe is definitely not as it was 10-15 years ago.
This Real madrid team is just something. Mentality monsters. But on paper it's ageing and lacks the sprinkles of past years. Barca are a shadow of their former selves. The likes of Valencia who used to be good in Europe have fallen away. Inter Milan, Ac Milan and Juventus all not strong enough to challenge. Psg bottlers. And dortmund and bayern failing maybe due the weakness of thier league. And let's not forget how we've fallen so dramatically.
Liverpool will remain favourites for the next few seasons for the league and champions league. There's still a core of brilliant players. Just hoping some of their big players leave for new challenges.
However, considering the run they got in all finals except the fa semi vs City I think they were lucky in that regard. Also the quality in Europe is definitely not as it was 10-15 years ago.
This Real madrid team is just something. Mentality monsters. But on paper it's ageing and lacks the sprinkles of past years. Barca are a shadow of their former selves. The likes of Valencia who used to be good in Europe have fallen away. Inter Milan, Ac Milan and Juventus all not strong enough to challenge. Psg bottlers. And dortmund and bayern failing maybe due the weakness of thier league. And let's not forget how we've fallen so dramatically.
Liverpool will remain favourites for the next few seasons for the league and champions league. There's still a core of brilliant players. Just hoping some of their big players leave for new challenges.
He probably should have gone easy on the league and let his players recuperate some more, could have made the difference.
So they haven’t beaten a top 4 team this year, they’ve played 3 finals and scored 0 goals. In Klopps entire time there they’ve won 1 CL and a COVID title that had a break in the middle of the season but he’s the best manager in the world and Liverpool are the best team in the world?
Looks to me like his team can only win when the pressure is off.
Looks to me like his team can only win when the pressure is off.
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Signed for Liverpool 8.10.2015
Won
Premier League 1
Champions League 1
Carabao Cup 1
TheFa Cup 1
UEFA Super Cup 1
FIFA Club World Cup 1
He got a long way to go to be considered as the best or near the best. Not only in England, but in Liverpool to. This is not saying he is bad. Is is clearly good manager. Just to compare, Rafael Benitez have two less trophies than Klopp in Liverpool.
Signed for Liverpool 8.10.2015
Won
Premier League 1
Champions League 1
Carabao Cup 1
TheFa Cup 1
UEFA Super Cup 1
FIFA Club World Cup 1
He got a long way to go to be considered as the best or near the best. Not only in England, but in Liverpool to. This is not saying he is bad. Is is clearly good manager. Just to compare, Rafael Benitez have two less trophies than Klopp in Liverpool.