Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Dumbstar said:
Then you haven't been watching Klopp. When all he does is smile from the touchline then his players are in real trouble. It means he has no more words for them and the trust is gone. It's happened before.
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Sure, when we've lost the odd game here and there, but we are in an unprecedented crisis and for a guy as passionate as him, I find it worrying that he looks like he almost doesn't care. And this isn't me saying I want him gone or anything, but to me he almost looks resigned, so unless we find some form in the last quarter of the season, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him leave. And that'd be disappointing to say the least.

Tony247 said:
Looks like the hunger and intensity is missing.
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It really does. I'm trying hard to figure out how they can go from two historic seasons to this.
 
Rob said:
Sure, when we've lost the odd game here and there, but we are in an unprecedented crisis and for a guy as passionate as him, I find it worrying that he looks like he almost doesn't care. And this isn't me saying I want him gone or anything, but to me he almost looks resigned, so unless we find some form in the last quarter of the season, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him leave. And that'd be disappointing to say the least.



It really does. I'm trying hard to figure out how they can go from two historic seasons to this.
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Perfect storm in a good way last two years (form, injuries, some fortune).. perfect storm in a bad way this season.

When you're winning, it feels relentless. When you stop, if you don't get out of it quickly, can feel relentless the other way.

I'd say VVD is the worst player Liverpool could have had a long term injury to. Without him, less solid defence (concede more, don't bring ball out of defence much, FBs attacking less), taken MFers from their role to cover (loses some MF control/possession). Not the only reason clearly, but a very good/important player.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Perfect storm in a good way last two years (form, injuries, some fortune).. perfect storm in a bad way this season.

When you're winning, it feels relentless. When you stop, if you don't get out of it quickly, can feel relentless the other way.

I'd say VVD is the worst player Liverpool could have had a long term injury to. Without him, less solid defence (concede more, don't bring ball out of defence much, FBs attacking less), taken MFers from their role to cover (loses some MF control/possession). Not the only reason clearly, but a very good/important player.
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That's a good way of putting it. When we have a good season, it's great. When it's not so good it's horrendous, relegation level even. No in-between with him. Which is perfect after a decade of good but never, ever great under Houllier and Rafa.

I could put up with another 10th placed finish next season if it means Klopp is gearing up his next set of youngsters to win us another PL and CL soon after that.
 
Yesterday was too good.

They lost to Fulham at home, for a 6th home defeat in a row, whilst we get a 30second pen and beat the champions elect.
Superb combo.
 
Dumbstar said:
That's a good way of putting it. When we have a good season, it's great. When it's not so good it's horrendous, relegation level even. No in-between with him. Which is perfect after a decade of good but never, ever great under Houllier and Rafa.

I could put up with another 10th placed finish next season if it means Klopp is gearing up his next set of youngsters to win us another PL and CL soon after that.
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Coming 10th next year then coming back to win the league is a combo I can't see Klopp doing.

I think you either snap back into contention next year, or he is ushered out quietly if it doesn't improve sharpish.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
What's the chance Klopp is having the "dortmund" last season?
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I've got a pocket theory: what Klopp is good at is motivating his players to play at 120%, which is only sustainable for so long. Eventually he burns his team out and leaves them in tatters. His Dortmund and Liverpool teams both basically overperformed, because while they had some very good players, surely noone can say that they had truly amazing squads in terms of sheer player caliber. Certainly not to such an extent that playing some of the best football in Europe is expected.

Then there's also the fact that when Klopp arrived, 70% of Liverpool's team was suddenly diagnosed with astma and has been taking respiratory medications which, on top of letting them work harder than they would have been used to, is also bad for your cardiovascular system. While not illegal, it's the kind of thing that sets a team up for an inevitable decline once they can't keep that up any longer.
 
Dansk said:
Then there's also the fact that when Klopp arrived, 70% of Liverpool's team was suddenly diagnosed with astma and has been taking respiratory medications which, on top of letting them work harder than they would have been used to, is also bad for your cardiovascular system. While not illegal, it's the kind of thing that sets a team up for an inevitable decline once they can't keep that up any longer.
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True? Any links for this?
 
Dansk said:
Then there's also the fact that when Klopp arrived, 70% of Liverpool's team was suddenly diagnosed with astma and has been taking respiratory medications which, on top of letting them work harder than they would have been used to, is also bad for your cardiovascular system. While not illegal, it's the kind of thing that sets a team up for an inevitable decline once they can't keep that up any longer.
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I read that one article stating this aswell, but are there any other sources? Would love for it to be true but certainly seems a lot like bs since no other news outlets picked up on it
 
Dansk said:
I've got a pocket theory: what Klopp is good at is motivating his players to play at 120%, which is only sustainable for so long. Eventually he burns his team out and leaves them in tatters. His Dortmund and Liverpool teams both basically overperformed, because while they had some very good players, surely noone can say that they had truly amazing squads in terms of sheer player caliber. Certainly not to such an extent that playing some of the best football in Europe is expected.

Then there's also the fact that when Klopp arrived, 70% of Liverpool's team was suddenly diagnosed with astma and has been taking respiratory medications which, on top of letting them work harder than they would have been used to, is also bad for your cardiovascular system. While not illegal, it's the kind of thing that sets a team up for an inevitable decline once they can't keep that up any longer.
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They haven't even been playing some of the best football in Europe for some time now it's just more evident now that they're struggling. They were scraping small margin wins in the final minutes for a crazy amount of games on the bounce last season. It was actually insane. Everything seemed to bounce for them, goalkeepers were having howlers, hopeful shots were finding the net. Definitely not going to put it down to ''luck'' but feck me was it bizarre.
 
SER19 said:
What a terrible decline. How many years did these lunatics undermine and belittle Ferguson. Maybe they'll appreciate how tough it is to keep motivating players now after winning a title.
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Not just motivating but rebuilding time and time again. Maybe now they get how great he was.
 
Liverpool were on top of the league earlier this season (joint top in mid-December), then they hit this woeful patch.

I wonder if it's Klopp's personal life which has, not surprisingly, distracted him. His mum died in January and Liverpool's form fell apart at roughly the same time.
 
His biggest mistake since January imo has been not playing Fabinho and Henderson in midfield when they were available to him for basically the last 3 months.

You saw yesterday that Williams and Phillips weren't decent enough in defence. With Milner in the midfield they actually had more energy in midfield, someone making forward runs, providing extra cover in defence.

In his rush to play top players in defence, he's forgotten that it's the midfield that control games. With Thiago, Wjnaldum and Curtis Jones in midfield, there's a lot of skill, but very little midfield running or solidity. Stick Fabinho to break up attacks and start plays, have Henderson providing an extra man in defence and attack, and suddenly they'd look a lot better. It's a big part of the way they played over the last 3 years.

For a top manager that Klopp is I'm astounded he couldn't see that for 3 months. I watched most of their games during that period and it was cryingly obvious. Everything was just so slow.. and yet he changed nothing until the Fulham game in the name of playing big players in defence. It's like playing Kroos and Casemiro in defence.. it's just stupid. Yeah they're better in defence than reserve level defenders, but whoever you're putting into midfield instead is going to be nowhere near them in terms of midfield play.
 
Counterfactual said:
Liverpool were on top of the league earlier this season (joint top in mid-December), then they hit this woeful patch.

I wonder if it's Klopp's personal life which has, not surprisingly, distracted him. His mum died in January and Liverpool's form fell apart at roughly the same time.
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I don't see how Klopp's personal issues would effect his players' performances on the pitch.
 
One more season like this, and I can't see some of them fans being able to resist calling for Gerrard to come in and save them.
 
Without the Anfield people, same as without the yellow wall at Westfalenstadion, Klopp is a dead man walking. Where else could he try and replicate such cycles, in case he goes? I can only think of Atletico Madrid and AC Milan right now.
 
I'm beginning to find him difficult to follow in his post match comments. Understand he's under pressure but he just talks around in circles. Thought Souness made a good point when he said Klopp, by making seven changes, showed he'd lost faith in some of his main players. Then when he sees it's not working brings them back in off the bench to try and save the game. Maybe some of those players aren't prepared to go out on a limb for him as much as before. Taking Salah off in the previous game confused most people to say the least.
Achieving what he's done with the club goes without saying however being able to maintain that standard is the mark of a top manager. Get the feeling his intensity could be his downfall.
 
His style of play is unsustainable . This time last year his players legs went and they started falling apart only to be saved by football being stopped . You just love to see it , get Stevie G in to save the day.
 
Dansk said:
I've got a pocket theory: what Klopp is good at is motivating his players to play at 120%, which is only sustainable for so long. Eventually he burns his team out and leaves them in tatters. His Dortmund and Liverpool teams both basically overperformed, because while they had some very good players, surely noone can say that they had truly amazing squads in terms of sheer player caliber. Certainly not to such an extent that playing some of the best football in Europe is expected.

Then there's also the fact that when Klopp arrived, 70% of Liverpool's team was suddenly diagnosed with astma and has been taking respiratory medications which, on top of letting them work harder than they would have been used to, is also bad for your cardiovascular system. While not illegal, it's the kind of thing that sets a team up for an inevitable decline once they can't keep that up any longer.
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I'm not going to deny this may be happening. Not that there is any proof but the patterns are strange. However, if this is Klopp's modus operandi then he needs to get a fresh batch of young 'asthmatics' in pronto and start that three year cycle again.

It would tie in with my point above, two/three seasons of winning top trophies followed by 2 seasons of being tenth. Followed by three seasons of winning top trophies. People on here are dreading that last sentence, therefore are choosing to believe that won't happen.
 
Rob said:
Sure, when we've lost the odd game here and there, but we are in an unprecedented crisis and for a guy as passionate as him, I find it worrying that he looks like he almost doesn't care. And this isn't me saying I want him gone or anything, but to me he almost looks resigned, so unless we find some form in the last quarter of the season, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him leave. And that'd be disappointing to say the least.



It really does. I'm trying hard to figure out how they can go from two historic seasons to this.
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What was historic about the first season
 
Weird that we have as many points at anfield in 2021 as Liverpool.

Looked another way, our draw with them is the highlight of 2021 for them at home
 
Zlatan 7 said:
What was historic about the first season
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Historic for Liverpool I suppose, but yeah, I could’ve phrased it differently.

In any case, to go from 97 and 99 points to whatever this is is just weird.
 
Random Task said:
I don't see how Klopp's personal issues would effect his players' performances on the pitch.
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So what happened to cause the drop off from mid-December (top of the league) to what we're seeing now just a few months later?

First 14 matches: 9/4/1 (31 points)
Next 14 matches: 3/3/8 (12 points)

I can easily imagine Klopp's attention and drive wavered and, by extension, so did that of the team.

(edit: added one more game to second 14, another loss)
 
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Rob said:
Historic for Liverpool I suppose, but yeah, I could’ve phrased it differently.

In any case, to go from 97 and 99 points to whatever this is is just weird.
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It’s weird but beautiful, such is football :)
 
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I really did not expect him to crash and burn so fast after winning the title. Long may it continue.
 
SER19 said:
What a terrible decline. How many years did these lunatics undermine and belittle Ferguson. Maybe they'll appreciate how tough it is to keep motivating players now after winning a title.
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I agree, but many of them just blame the injuries
 
Low stepping down after Euro. Why I think internal agreement must have been reached with Klopp to take over.
 
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