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Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Still think Ajax will turn them over.
In a final, yes,50/50 for real. At Anfield in a knock-out tie Ajax sure would struggle, like everyone.
Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
The worst thing is he loves them as much as they love him, he’s there for the long haul
Me too. If you want a luxury manager to build the best team in the world provided with unlimited funds and the greatest players. Pep is definitely the guy. If you want the transform underdogs into beasts then it's Klopp.
If I had to choose between Pep or Klopp atm for United, I would choose Klopp because he improves players and relishes the challange of waking sleeping giants to Glory. If we were providing unlimited funds and had the best players in the world lined up, I would choose Pep.
That's a bit shit really. He manages the top teams because he is the best manager out there. Why would he go to Lyon when he could easily walk into the Bayern job?
Were you seriously expecting anyone to read what you've said after choosing that painful blend of different fonts and font sizes? Disgusting.
Harsh to put Gotze, Bender and Kagawa in with the rest. But completely agree with Grosscheutz, was going to say the same myself
Götze is hard to judge. It could be the same case as it is with Großkreutz (on a different level) or about his sickness. I don't know. But Kagawa was never the same player again after he moved to United. He was a world class before.
Wait, what?
You got a point, no question about that. But still there is not much you can take away from Pep's class. He needs top quality players for his ambitions, but his ambition is not from this planet. His consistency (in the league) is incredible. Look how far he has taken City. Maybe the best/most consistent side in PL-history. But somehow he fails to perform on the biggest stage in knockout games, as proven with Bayern and now City. Even with Barca he could or should have done more in Europe. His approach is probably too one dimensional.
However i personally also rate managers higher which can have huge success with lesser sides. And i don't define success only by trophies. For example: To bring a 3rd division team into the first league in just 2 years, and getting into top 4 or even top 7 right away (without money beeing the reason) would be more impressive for me than winning the champions league with Barca, Real, Bayern, etc.
Getting into the UCL final with Dortmund in an exciting way, even if losing it against one of the best teams in history of this game, is more impressive to me than winning the champions league with one of the obvious favorites. Repeating this kind of success with a different team now deserves nothing less than beeing called the best manager in the world in my opinion.
Most respect goes out to Otto Rehakles. I will never forget how i witnessed him bringing Kaiserslautern from the 2nd Bundesliga into the 1st Bundesliga and winning the Bundesliga in the next season right away. A miracle, even more impressive than what Leicester did few years ago. But to top that, the very same manager just made another massive miracle happen: He won the EURO's with fecking Greece in 2004. There is not much what can top this. 2 massive miracles by 1 manager. Even winning the UCL 10 times in a row with Real Madrid can't top something like that for me.
Yeah, that is exactly the absurd hyperbole I was talking about. We are speaking about a guy who has not won anything of note since 2012. Hell, if Suarez, Messi or Alba had taken one of their huge chances yesterday - or if Liverpool loses the final which I doubt unfortunately - he would still have won feck all with Liverpool. I won´t deny that he is absolutely overachieving this season, but Rodgers also had them playing very well for that one season without breaking the records for the most expensive goalkeeper and defender.
With writing this I don´t want to downplay the job he is doing at Liverpool because I think he is doing quite good and really established them as a big club again, but it is really laughable how people come out and compare him to Sir Alex, Guardiola, Jose or other all-time managerial greats because of the one fantastic season Liverpool is having at the moment.
And no, just to make that clear, I don´t hate him because of "passion", I hate him because he always pretends to be a nice and funny guy, but when he loses he goes absolutely mental, behaves like a clown and comes up with the most ridiculous excuses, just to get away with it because people call it passion.
A challenge? Do you think that Bayern wouldn't have won the Bundesliga and City wouldn't have won the PL without him? His challenge perhaps was to take them to European glory, in which he failed.
If he would really wanted to challenge himself he'd go to teams like Arsenal or Spurs, not Bayern or City. What are the odds of his next move being Juve to take them to Seria A glory?
Injury ruined Sahin. Kagawa was one unlucky guy who mostly got shunted to the wing while he was here. Moyes didn't fancy a small player like him but then went on to sign a similar player in Mata because he was a popular name and shunted Kagawa to the wing in the process. I still think he played well with Mata when he got consistent playing time in the last few matches around March and April under Moyes. He was even nominated as one of the players of the month in the said months.
Van Gaal came in and wanted to mould him into a central midfielder. I don't know if it would have worked out. He actually looked fantastic in the central midfield role against Madrid in our pre season matches and looked the same against Mk Don before he got injured, after which the whole team turned into shit and got spanked and that annoyed Van Gaal and made him to sell all the players that were involved in the said match. Although Kagawa had already wanted to leave due to his lack of playing time. He went back to a poor Dortmund's side and despite Dortmund's weak team, he looked good in a 3-man midfield under Tuchel and was also Bosz's favourite however the new coach came in and already had his favourite players before Kagawa returned from his worldcup rest (he was fantastic at the world cup too) hence he had to leave.
Gotze got his development stalled at Bayern. At such age, his game hadn't developed enough to keep staying on the bench for years at Bayern. Injuries also ruined him.
The likes of Bender, Piszcek were more or less defensive hustlers who worked hard on the pitch but offered nothing more.. Gosskreutz was touted not good enough even for Dortmund then and was more of a utility player who played different roles under Klopp.
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Klopp took underdogs such as Dortmund and Liverpool to multiple European finals. Pep won domestic titles with well-oiled machines that would've won their leagues without him.
And lost them all bar one.
Coaching any team is a challenge. He is winning plenty of trophies and setting records. Just like the best players get to play for the best teams, Guardiola manages top clubs because he is arguably the best manager out there. Do you think Ronaldo should have joined Spurs or Arsenal instead of Juventus?
So a manager which takes the likes of Southampton, Fulham or whoever into multiple UCL finals, to lose them, would be a failure too, right? Better go win the UCL with Real Madrid etc. Di Matteo is probably one of the best managers in the world btw, United should sign him next.
Obviously Liverpool and Dortmund are not Fulham etc.but still he took those teams to much higher levels. I would love if my team has the opportunity to lose big finals. Most United fans would prefer that probably too these days.
Moot point considering Southampton and Fulham have never and will never reach multiple European finals.
Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, reflected by their transfer market expenditure under Klopp, comparing them to those above is ridiculous.
We've been asking the wrong question all along. It's not, "can Messi do it at Stoke on a cwwtn*?". It's, "can Messi do it with Stoke on a cwwtn*?"!
*cold wet windy Thursday night
Given that Ajax should go through to the final, this seems appropriate!
At the time Klopp took over Dortmund, they were on Southampton/Fulham level.
I think his days as a nearly man will be soon be coming to an end and he will start winning trophies with liverpool either this season or next.
Dortmund is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany, with multiple domestic and European trophies to their name. Southampton aren't even the biggest club on the southern coast of England. They have one FA Cup to their name.
At no point in the history of football has Dortmund been on the same level as Southampton.
Perhaps.
Given that Ajax should go through to the final, this seems appropriate!
Hope the Ajax lads are reminded everyday of what he has said.....no better motivation
He's not wrong. They used to be an European giant, yeah, but at that time they truly were Fulham level. Only the lower tier BL players or 2nd division were attainable for them, they were close to relegation and even had much less money compared to any English club. It's as if Hamburg would suddenly start smashing Madrid and going to the CL final in 4 years. Completely unimaginable and a ridiculous thought back then.
Exactly!
Lets say he'd take over one of the current Eintracht Frankfurt, Mönchengladbach, Hamburg, Feyenoord, PSV, Monaco or Steaua teams and get them first to a league title, then a domestic double (both ahead of Bayern), and a CL runner's up. Would that be a great job or failure?
All of these are also comfortably bigger clubs historically than Southhampton, but are absolutely unlikely to feature in a CL final within the next years. Exactly that was the case for Dortmund as well. Only that that Dortmund side from back then was criminally bad and would've probably lost to all the current teams I just mentioned aside of probably Monaco, and Hamburg.
People talk about the strength of Liverpool's pressing but this season there have been more than a few games where we have been out pressed but still won or drawn. I think Klopp has realized that with a decent defence that the midfield didn't have to run around like nutters and instead we look to play a lot of direct balls instead of trying to press and pass teams to death. This conserves a lot of energy in the long term and is probably why we look so fit at the end of the season where other teams look gassed.
Also, VVD is key, we used to spend a lot of time trying to wrestle the ball from the opposition deep in our half and now VVD just steps forward and deals with things with the minimum of fuss which again means we have more energy to attack and more energy season wise.
Even if we lose the CL - Liverpool fans will back their boss to pick himself up and go one better the next season, to me that is what makes him a world class manager. Other managers have won far more than Klopp but Klopp rarely lets disappointment get the better of him. I expect another serious league challenge next year.
Also, VVD is key, we used to spend a lot of time trying to wrestle the ball from the opposition deep in our half and now VVD just steps forward and deals with things with the minimum of fuss which again means we have more energy to attack and more energy season wise.
Even if we lose the CL - Liverpool fans will back their boss to pick himself up and go one better the next season, to me that is what makes him a world class manager. Other managers have won far more than Klopp but Klopp rarely lets disappointment get the better of him. I expect another serious league challenge next year.
How many runners up trophies now?
What’s German for “always a bridesmaid?”
immer eine Brautjungfer
...a phrase that goes over the lips as smoothly as a spoonful of nuts and bolts.
97 pts and only second. 
The ridiculous thing is, people will say Klopp is a failure because he didn't win the title. But Pep's City is the most consistent side in PL-history, and Klopp's Pool is just 1 freakin point behind.
The ridiculous thing is, people will say Klopp is a failure because he didn't win the title. But Pep's City is the most consistent side in PL-history, and Klopp's Pool is just 1 freakin point behind.
Dortmund were debt laden midtable side that was briefly flirting with relegation battle the season before Klopp was appointed. Others also had a hand in it but his tenure there is the difference between being possibly another Hamburg/Stuttgart and the second biggest Club in Germany.
Quality manager, would have built something special at united if we got him years ago.
How long until he has enough? Hopefully a 14-15 like capitulation next year please.
He's a brilliant manager, and in any other era Liverpool would have won the league. City are just an unbelievable team.
He's a brilliant manager, and in any other era Liverpool would have won the league. City are just an unbelievable team.
Needs to win a big trophy with Liverpool. They did gamble with their spend this summer but City aren't going to stand still so Liverpool would need to spend big again must to stay slightly worse than the champions as we are today.
This will be two excellent seasons in a row, as stupid as it sounds the top sides cycles are short in English football so this side may only have next year to win it before they need refreshed again or players heads are turned by Madrid etc.
This will be two excellent seasons in a row, as stupid as it sounds the top sides cycles are short in English football so this side may only have next year to win it before they need refreshed again or players heads are turned by Madrid etc.
The 3 highest PL point tallies ever are apparently City 2018, City 2019 and Liverpool 2019. It really is amazing.97 pts and only second.
The ridiculous thing is, people will say Klopp is a failure because he didn't win the title. But Pep's City is the most consistent side in PL-history, and Klopp's Pool is just 1 freakin point behind.