So you think success is something you just pluck out of thin air?
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Liverpool can still win the double and if it happens you'll never hear the end of it. Klopp's team will be heralded as better than United 08 because of the points total in the league and the comeback against Barcelona.
Even if they end up with nothing, one must be a really bitter person to deny that Klopp has made them a real force. To win 95-97 pts without having the squads of Arsenal 02-04, Chelsea 04-06, United 07-09 and City 17-19 would be nothing short of incredible.
Even if they end up with nothing, one must be a really bitter person to deny that Klopp has made them a real force. To win 95-97 pts without having the squads of Arsenal 02-04, Chelsea 04-06, United 07-09 and City 17-19 would be nothing short of incredible.
They were 1st half though. Ripped Liverpool apart. 2nd half, they just imploded, thinking they had already won it!
Think there was a story in Gerrard's book about Gattuso joking around at HT and already kissing the trophy or something like that, they looked like they didn't care anymore and thought they'd already won it.
They were on a totally different level in that first half though, I remember watching that and thinking "well, nothing you can do about that". That Kaka through pass to Crespo is still one of the best assists I've ever seen.
I see all that, but does he actually wind you up? I kind of like the "general way he conducts himself". The FA not getting onto him is an FA problem rather than his. I just hate the fact that Liverpool managed to squire him as their manager.
You don't progress while sleeping though.
I do.
Alisson is not going to become a bad goalkeeper over night.
Trent, Gomez, Van Dijk and Robbo are all quality.
Keita has had a year to adjust and looks to have settled. Oxlade back fit for next season. Fabinho one full season now and looks good. Wijnaldum and Henderson, etc all good players.
The front three in their prime.
This team will be up there with City again next season.
He doesn't wind me up, I just think he's a bellend.
Klopp really has to win something at this stage. Competing with City just isn't enough and i don't know why it's being put forward as a trophy in itself. They should be up there after the spend over the last three transfer windows.
Most annoying thing about the Barça game was the fact I felt we could have got something with a few minor tweaks here and there. Those are the margins at the top level. Hopefully we reinforce the squad in the summer with depth and attacking options.
Yeh i dont get what that guy is on about either. They are clearly much better now than what they were 3-4 years ago. Consistently challenging is all any club can do. The difference in tipping you over the edge as you could see in the Liverpool vs Barca game was some small Argentinian who happens to be one of the best of all time. There's not much you can do about that as a opposition manager
This is fair enough. Those moments are among the reasons we all love football. And the inverse crushing feeling is why we hate it too. Trophies just prolong the inevitable feeling of disappointment. There are no highs without the lows.
Well, Guardiola spent even more money. Klopp's still dependent on Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge for offensive depth. He spent a lot but he also lost Coutinho & Can recently.
As above, and finally, football doesn't work like that. Most people thought Newcastle were there to compete after they signed Shearer in 1996, we all know what happened since.
4 years ?
Such a long time range. He's not even sure of his team ability to win something in recent future.
They are in a coma. Why? Because the history books will show that they haven’t won anything for x amount of years and as I type they haven’t won the PL and that they last won the 1st Division as it was 29 years ago.
It’s what tomorrow’s history books will show and thats why finishing second even with 100points is nothing to be proud of. Unless of course you are Liverpool.
If winning trophies = success, why did Manchester United sack their last 2 'successful' managers ?
This is utter nonsense.
Yes, but you're comparing Kevin Keegan to Jurgen Klopp here. Klopp took over a Dortmund side who had the worse defensive record in the league, & 3 years later with him in charge they had the best. He's done something very similar at Liverpool. That in itself shows he's someone who knows what he's doing. Keegan on the other hand had a tendency to fly by the seat of his pants during most of his - trophyless - managerial career.
I m guessing it's been said earlier in this thread but what an absolute dick response he had to the question asked by a New York Times reporter in the post game presser of the Barca game.
So are you saying success can be coming second now?
The time klopp can play the underdog card so well has passed. World record fees on keeper and centre back changed that little game.
Agree with all that apart from the bit where you infer that Klopp's done it all on a shoestring, while others (namely City and United can spend what they like)
You can't have it both ways.
You’re right remind me how many points can Liverpool actually get? Oh yes 97.
So 97 points might still show you in second which I’m sorry to inform you is finishing SECOND, and NOT FIRST.
It is getting funnier than listening to PM Theresa May saying that the Conservatives did rather well in the local council elections, you can dress it up all you like but second is second, it’s not nonsense, it’s fact.
However if City slip up Liverpool might still win it. It’s exciting and I’m looking forward to the Toon putting in a good shift tonight.
First is first, second is nowhere. Isn't that the old saying ? The thing is, Jurgen Klopp's time at Anfield can only be judged as either a success or failure when his time is up here. Not winning the league with 90+ points is simply failing to better a side that last season hit 100 points, & has shown similar consistency this season too. It might not be success, but it's certainly not failure. I'm quite sure you'd have gladly taken a guarantee at the start of the season to better United's last season's total by at least 10 points. You certainly wouldn't be on here trying to play down Jose's work, even if he'd broken transfer records with a couple of his signings.
You're right it is not failure for certain.
But i don't understand why people get so hung up on points.
Points are only relative to the year you're in.
Teams are varying strengths every different year. Liverpool getting 97 this season wouldn't mean they're a better team than every United team ever for example, due to united never beating 91.
Progress should be based on position, so on that you've seen progress which is all we ask.
Even then, a position can, not be blagged but be a bit fortunate, say take us being second last year but not pulling up trees for most of it.
You had a very good start to the season, & that's why you finished as high as you did. I pointed this out a couple of times on various threads, & suggested that your position may not be an accurate pointer as to United's future. We've been consistent right from the off. Yeah we've had some luck, but to chase a side that's capable of dropping just 13 or 14 points a season you do need a lot of things to go for you. A lot of people have taken it as a given that City will automatically hit a similar points next season & beyond. I don't subscribe to that point of view. Pep himself has recently said how much it puts on the players with regards to having to do it week in week out, year in, year out. Jose's Chelsea side won 2 consecutive league titles in 2005 & 2006 with 90 plus points, but despite making even more big signings to strengthen his squad, he was never able to replicate it in the 3rd season. He was sacked just 6 games into his 4th season in charge after just obtaining 11 points out of a possible 18.
Football isn't linear. It doesn't always go the way we expect it to. Klopp not winning a 'major' trophy this season doesn't make him a failure, or suggest he won't do it in the next few seasons. Just in the same way there's no guarantee City, under Pep, will be as consistent in achieving high points in the PL. I'm confident that with Jurgen Klopp in charge for the next few seasons we will eventually claim a big trophy with either the Premier League or the Champions League. He's given us a very, very strong base to build upon. That's something no one can deny.
What you say about City though, can equally be applied to Liverpool.
I was arguing with one of your fans who seems certain that you'll improve next season. I can't see you improving on points for one thing! Whether you can improve on position depends on many things - we can't write off the unknown - teams below you improving a lot.
Chelsea have for years spent a year looking dreadful then come back strong for instance.
We'll see. I don't take Klopp's view that this is the first attempt in many on the league though. You can't guarantee it. This may have been your time.
Totally agree with you. It's unlikely we'll ever be in a position again to amass such a high points total. But then again, 'unlikely' does sometimes happen. & if I'm right in what I said in my earlier post about my doubts about City not being able to sustain the level of consistency they've shown over the past couple of seasons, chances are we may not need to hit the heights we have this year. & if you're right about the other teams improving, then there's a very good chance the head-to-heads of the top 6 will become even more crucial over the course of the season.
The thing that's pleased me most about our performances this season is the fact that we've very rarely looked like we're going to lose a match. We could/should have lost to City at Anfield. But then again we were a gnat's hair-breadth away from taking the lead at their place, & if Kompany had gotten the red card he deserved for the lunge on Salah, then we'd have probably not lost that match. So if we can maintain the defensive solidity that's been the backbone of our title challenge this year, then I see no reason why we can't be competing over the next few seasons. Key to everything though is who'll go first out of Klopp & Pep. For it's those 2 alone who are the reason both sides are currently head & shoulders above the rest of the Premier League. We might need to bide our time & hope Jurgen outstays Guardiola. It's all if's & but's at the end of the day. Doubt you'll hear many Liverpool fans say 'next year will be our year' though. 30 years without a title has well & truly put paid to that delusion.
The poster never said Klopp has to win trophies to be labelled a success at Liverpool. In fact, he already is a success. There have been signs of progression at the end of every season, 2 finals in debut season. CL qualification next season followed by a CL Final last season to a record PL finish. If he were to go in 2 weeks time, he'd leave behind a squad which is completely transformed from the laughable one you had.
It's just that his record in finals/close league finish is abysmal, you can do all the right things but if you continuously stumble at the finish line then people will reserve judgment against you. Its only natural.
Hate to say it but he’s a genius.
Destroyed Barca with Liverpool.
Destroyed Madrid with Dortmund.
Destroyed Barca with Liverpool.
Destroyed Madrid with Dortmund.
Don't worry. Oles at the wheel, totally the man you need to compete against the likes of Klopp
He is one of a life time coach
Good idea once again from @esmufc07 to start a WUM thread about Klopp btw. Nothing to shame about wishing he was our manager. He's by far the best out there after Pep. Shame we went for shit all these years. For all of those wishing Ole will ever reach this level: He won't.
All that mocking just looks stupid now.
Great possibility for the Kloppster to extend his excellent record in finals. Here's hoping!
If I could pick any current manager to take the United job it would be him. Did an unbelievable job at Dortmund and is doing the same thing at Liverpool. They are probably favourites for the CL now and we are lucky that City's far deeper and more expensive squad have the smallest edge on them in the league.
What a fecking genius
He is a fecking genuis. An XI that had Henderson, Milner, Origi, Shaqiri, Matip just convincingly beat Barcelona in a UCL semis to reach a consecutive UCL final, and people think we just need some players. Until we get a manager as good as him, we aren't going anywhere.
I would personally drive Solskjaer and half of our fanbase to Liverpool if it means coming back to Manchester with Klopp ffs.
I would personally drive Solskjaer and half of our fanbase to Liverpool if it means coming back to Manchester with Klopp ffs.