Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Liverpool will never have high expectations, because there is a huge media love in due to loads of ex Liverpool players in media, as well as decades of mediocrity sprinkled with a few years of goodness.

Liverpool could break the PL transfer record for every position and there would still be talk about how they are so amazing yet don't win anything. Liverpool fans have been talking about their amazing football since the Rafa days. Rafa Benitez rivals Simeone for defensive football but it didn't stop them from creating a fantasy about themselves.
 
RobinLFC said:
I'm not, I was pointing out that you would be when it's the other way around.
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If Klopp said "ManUtd signed good players and spent lot of money" I won't be.

If Klopp said "I wouldn't spend so much money on 1 player like ManUtd did on Pogba" I would be as that makes Klopp a hypocritical cnut and he is.


You posted 5-6 posts on how we shouldn't expect league challenge from Liverpool and yet you don't care what Jose says. Well sounds true.
 
I think Jose is spot on. He basicaly said that Klopp gets away with lot of crap, and has no pressure from fans or media because he is such a lovely guy who smiles all the time. He spends lot of money, no one talks about it, he has all sorts of excuses when losing a game, becomes passionate man, he has zero trophies in 3 years, has no pressure, next year,blah. Everybody loves him. Even his singing after losing CL final was found fantastic stuff. Can you imagine reactions if that was Mourinho jumping and singing 8,9 hours after defeat in CL final?

Mourinho sneezes, and it is mind games!
Mourinho not smiling, miserable, arogant prick.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
He basicaly said that Klopp gets away with lot of crap, and has no pressure from fans or media because he is such a lovely guy who smiles all the time.
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Arrogant moaning tit moaning about lovely guys having it easier in life than arrogant moaning tits. Seems like there is a lesson in this somewhere.
 
B20 said:
Arrogant moaning tit moaning about lovely guys having it easier in life than arrogant moaning tits. Seems like there is a lesson in this somewhere.
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Yes there is one. Better to be arogant moaning prick that wins trophies, then lovely smiling guy thet loses finals and wins nothing.
 
B20 said:
Arrogant moaning tit moaning about lovely guys having it easier in life than arrogant moaning tits. Seems like there is a lesson in this somewhere.
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I think the lesson is for you to stop posting here.
 
RobinLFC said:
Believe you me that's not the reason why the majority of football fans think he's a cnut.
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Majority of football fans are thick as brick. They read articles in the papers and believe it, without using their brains. And we all know that writing nice stuff about most talked manager will not sell papers or get them clicks.

I am not saying Jose is a saint, far from it, but he is not that bigger of a cnut then Klopp, Pep or money and so on.
If only half of the bad stuff has been written about Pep or Klopp, you think they would still be this nicely smiling to press?
 
breakout67 said:
Liverpool will never have high expectations, because there is a huge media love in due to loads of ex Liverpool players in media, as well as decades of mediocrity sprinkled with a few years of goodness.

Liverpool could break the PL transfer record for every position and there would still be talk about how they are so amazing yet don't win anything. Liverpool fans have been talking about their amazing football since the Rafa days. Rafa Benitez rivals Simeone for defensive football but it didn't stop them from creating a fantasy about themselves.
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What a load of biased crap, Rafa played defensive football but nowhere near the same as Simone. We never said we played amazing football under him, or Hodgson even under Kenny the football wasn't amazing. Rodgers the season with Suarez was amazing to watch don't you agree?

Gary Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Roy Keane all do punditry do they not?

The pressure has been on United for decades simply because of your success, and there's less on us due to the lack of success it's pretty obvious if you want to see it
 
redman5 said:
So what happens then if both sides end the season without a trophy but Liverpool do better in the league - finish 2nd to City for example - would Jose's 2 trophies already won mean he'd be under less pressure than Klopp ? I personally don't think it would. After all, LVG was sacked 2 days after winning the FA Cup with United. So winning silverware is great for us fans, but in the grand scheme of things, those who pull the strings at our respective clubs obviously have different priorities. The pressure on both managers will come from on how both perform in the league. Your previous manager is living testimony to that fact.
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No, Jose would be under more pressure. He's under more pressure than Klopp now even though he's had more success.

If we finish 4th and win nothing this season I can see Jose leaving whereas if Klopp finishes 4th and wins nothing again I don't think Klopp would leave Liverpool.

You've won so little for so long the pressure at Liverpool isn't the same. I'm not sure why some Liverpool fans are arguing against that.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
I am not saying Jose is a saint, far from it, but he is not that bigger of a cnut then Klopp, Pep or money and so on.
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He really is. Don't get me started on his rap sheet.

Mourinho is where he is now because he has a 15 year record of antagonizing everyone, building up a swathe of abominable high profile incidents and celebrating his own arrogance all the while. It's no wonder he gets bad press. I don't think anyone has worked harder to ask everyone to give it to him. He could wave it all away when he won big titles, but it seems it is not so much fun for him without that shield.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
I think Jose is spot on. He basicaly said that Klopp gets away with lot of crap, and has no pressure from fans or media because he is such a lovely guy who smiles all the time. He spends lot of money, no one talks about it, he has all sorts of excuses when losing a game, becomes passionate man, he has zero trophies in 3 years, has no pressure, next year,blah. Everybody loves him. Even his singing after losing CL final was found fantastic stuff. Can you imagine reactions if that was Mourinho jumping and singing 8,9 hours after defeat in CL final?

Mourinho sneezes, and it is mind games!
Mourinho not smiling, miserable, arogant prick.
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Mourinho burnt his bridges with the press years ago. And so as our incumbent manager, our problems are exacerbated by emboldened journalists who'll take any opportunity they can to stick the knife in. We all know the football press like a media darling, Klopp and Guardiola are the current beneficiaries.
 
Mourinho just worrying that we'll go backwards instead of forwards because our rivals are improving. Yes Liverpool have spent significant money this summer, no I dont think their board or their fans will mind if they finish 2nd above us.
 
Nice to be back after a Summer break. Heres the part of Jose's interview I found most interesting/disturbing:

"Ashley Young is a possibility to play right-back but he is on holiday. I don’t know if he fancies to be back for that and put himself to be available for the team or stay on holiday."

I personally manage people at my job and I'm sure a lot of you guys here do as well. The highlighted part sounds really toxic if you ask me. First of all employees holidays should be respected, especially a footballer who doen't have the option of postponing their vacation. This is the only time of year they get off. Not to mention that its important for their physical recovery and therefore performance next season (one can reasonably assume). So guilting him in front of the whole world to come back to work, on top of the Luke Shaw stuff, and the quite frankly horrible incident with the female doctor at Chelsea, thats just, well Jose for you. I honestly don't know how a player can perform well for a manager who would compromise them like this, no wonder the players look miserable.

Thats why we are currently happy with Klopp, good vibes all round for the most part.
 
:lol: what Jose said is not remotely controversial. He said that Liverpool signed good players. FFS get a grip to those whinging at him.
 
cyberman said:
Why would the board sanction such a spending spree if Klopp wasn't under pressure to start winning soon?
They would just Newcastle / Spurs it and that be that.
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Klopp has been the man they wanted since about 2011/2012. He was seen as the perfect candidate that's there this playing down of him being under pressure comes from. People laughed at it before but suddenly seem to have forgotten how long we've spent in the doldrums and how little we've won recently. The only way Klopp comes under pressure is if he doesn't finish in the top 4 minimum. He is their man.

Personally I think we should challenge and win a cup of any kind. I don't think we have enough attacking depth to win the title unfortunately. If we had a Fekir type in I'd be much more confident.
As it stands the drop off between our 1st choice attackers and first choice rotation options is much too big. Over the course of a season that will show, hell you can see it now how one paced we look when we don't have pace to stretch in behind.
 
Can23 said:
What a load of biased crap, Rafa played defensive football but nowhere near the same as Simone. We never said we played amazing football under him, or Hodgson even under Kenny the football wasn't amazing. Rodgers the season with Suarez was amazing to watch don't you agree?

Gary Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Roy Keane all do punditry do they not?

The pressure has been on United for decades simply because of your success, and there's less on us due to the lack of success it's pretty obvious if you want to see it
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Strange that you can talk for every Liverpool fan out there. My comment is based on Liverpool fans I actually know, and in no way did I try to say that ALL Liverpool fans have this delusion.

Even you, who seems to not have this delusion still tries to paint Benitez as something he isn't. He is one of the most defensive top managers out there, and actually more defensive than Mourinho (Mourinho actually made it the full 3 years, while many of the same Madrid players downed tools because Benitez was way too defensive).

This is coming from someone who would absolutely hate Benitez back at Liverpool, because he'd actually have them consistent instead of a cup team like they have been under Klopp. He's a great manager, probably the best manager Liverpool have had for the past 2 decades almost. There is no bias regarding Benitez here.
 
breakout67 said:
Strange that you can talk for every Liverpool fan out there. My comment is based on Liverpool fans I actually know, and in no way did I try to say that ALL Liverpool fans have this delusion.

Even you, who seems to not have this delusion still tries to paint Benitez as something he isn't. He is one of the most defensive top managers out there, and actually more defensive than Mourinho (Mourinho actually made it the full 3 years, while many of the same Madrid players downed tools because Benitez was way too defensive).

This is coming from someone who would absolutely hate Benitez back at Liverpool, because he'd actually have them consistent instead of a cup team like they have been under Klopp. He's a great manager, probably the best manager Liverpool have had for the past 2 decades almost. There is no bias regarding Benitez here.
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08/09 aside, Benitez didn't really do much in the league. He was as much of a cup manager as you think Klopp is. Weirdly though for a cup manager, Klopp's domestic cup record in England is relatively poor.
 
Klopper76 said:
08/09 aside, Benitez didn't really do much in the league. He was as much of a cup manager as you think Klopp is. Weirdly though for a cup manager, Klopp's domestic cup record in England is relatively poor.
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I mean Klopp's record in general is pretty poor compared to Benitez. Klopp doesn't actually have a season like 08/09 to come back to, and has lost 3 finals already.

Klopp is a cup manager because that's all he has, his league performances have not been anything to write home about. Everything Klopp has done with Liverpool has been bettered by Benitez except for the excitement factor.
 
I see Rafa as a defensive manager who liked to play attacking football when the occasion for it was there.

He was nowhere near as defensive as houllier or mourinho. Unlike those two he'd never go into total defensive mode where the net result was no functional attacking plan.

I think his main failing league wise was an unwillingness to be more attacking against the teams parking the bus. Draws were what we lost the league on.
 
B20 said:
I see Rafa as a defensive manager who liked to play attacking football when the occasion for it was there.

He was nowhere near as defensive as houllier or mourinho.
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the same Mourinho who finished about 40 points ahead of Rafas team in 05 and comfortably outscored his team that season and in the following year too?

Or the Mourinho team which scored loads and won something at Madrid, unlike Rafa, who lasted as long as his lunch there?
 
SqualorVictoria said:
He sure loves to underline other teams' supposed targets, just to make it clear how impossible his job is. See also 13/14 and the two horse, small horse bullshit.
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Bloody hell. How you come to that conclusion from reading those quotes is baffling.
 
Red4Ever said:
the same Mourinho who finished about 40 points ahead of Rafas team in 05 and comfortably outscored his team that season and in the following year too?

Or the Mourinho team which scored loads and won something at Madrid, unlike Rafa, who lasted as long as his lunch there?
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Yes.
 
B20 said:
I see Rafa as a defensive manager who liked to play attacking football when the occasion for it was there.

He was nowhere near as defensive as houllier or mourinho. Unlike those two he'd never go into total defensive mode where the net result was no functional attacking plan.

I think his main failing league wise was an unwillingness to be more attacking against the teams parking the bus. Draws were what we lost the league on.
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I dunno about that, even Rafa's Valencia side wasn't particularly swashbuckling and often relied on a very solid defensive base to get one or two goal wins.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
I dunno about that, even Rafa's Valencia side wasn't particularly swashbuckling and often relied on a very solid defensive base to get one or two goal wins.
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I wouldn't ever call a Rafa side swashbuckling, except for those four months in 2009. And you could be sure that away from home against big teams he'd set out to keep a clean sheet. But unlike houllier (and mourinho at times as well), we always had a proper attacking plan for those games, even if it was a restricted one. It was having an actual attacking plan on top of a strong defence that made him miles better than houllier.

Still, there were many games in the league where we could have benefited from an extra attacking player instead of having both alonso and Mascherano holding behind Gerrard in the second midfield line with the wingers. Ultimately, I think a more swashbuckling approach in the league would have worked better.

Tactically I think houllier and mourinho are pretty much cut from the same cloth. Mourinho obviously much better in the execution department.
 
Meh, both guys managed in Italy, the holy land of defensive football. Mourinho is considered a defensive football genius here. Benitez is considered a clueless fool who doesn't know how to set up a defence...
 
breakout67 said:
Strange that you can talk for every Liverpool fan out there. My comment is based on Liverpool fans I actually know, and in no way did I try to say that ALL Liverpool fans have this delusion.

Even you, who seems to not have this delusion still tries to paint Benitez as something he isn't. He is one of the most defensive top managers out there, and actually more defensive than Mourinho (Mourinho actually made it the full 3 years, while many of the same Madrid players downed tools because Benitez was way too defensive).

This is coming from someone who would absolutely hate Benitez back at Liverpool, because he'd actually have them consistent instead of a cup team like they have been under Klopp. He's a great manager, probably the best manager Liverpool have had for the past 2 decades almost. There is no bias regarding Benitez here.
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Obviously no one talks for the entire fan base that's just ridiculous, i never said i did and i didn't assume you did. Your opinion is based on the Liverpool fans you know and my opinion is based the Liverpool fans i know and the fact i support them and i'm assuming i browse more Liverpool forums than you . And you compared Benitez to Simeone not Mourinho, so i don't know why the Madrid thing is relevant.

I even said Rafa is a defensive coach but he's no where near as defensive as Simeone, not many coaches are.
 
Can23 said:
Obviously no one talks for the entire fan base that's just ridiculous, i never said i did and i didn't assume you did. Your opinion is based on the Liverpool fans you know and my opinion is based the Liverpool fans i know and the fact i support them and i'm assuming i browse more Liverpool forums than you . And you compared Benitez to Simeone not Mourinho, so i don't know why the Madrid thing is relevant.

I even said Rafa is a defensive coach but he's no where near as defensive as Simeone, not many coaches are.
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Atletico play some great attacking football in the league. They also play like scumbags against any decent opposition. Sounds quite familiar to Benitez, who would try to shut out a game quite often.

I don't see much difference in style between Mourinho, Benitez and Simeone. They follow a lot of the same principles and the major difference would be motivation. Mourinho has a charm about him that makes players trust him, Simeone has a fear factor about him that makes players follow him, Benitez is probably lacking in that department and is not that alluring.

Klopp has that charm about him, and also plays in a way to entertain. But playing in such a volatile play is not conducive to winning in the long term.
 
Jose commenting more about LFC than the weather these days....let it continue!
 
Can23 said:
I even said Rafa is a defensive coach but he's no where near as defensive as Simeone, not many coaches are.
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Yeah this is fair enough. Simeone is an excellent defensive coach and arguably the most defensive top-level manager currently. He is more defensive than I remember Benitez being.
 
breakout67 said:
Atletico play some great attacking football in the league. They also play like scumbags against any decent opposition. Sounds quite familiar to Benitez, who would try to shut out a game quite often.

I don't see much difference in style between Mourinho, Benitez and Simeone. They follow a lot of the same principles and the major difference would be motivation. Mourinho has a charm about him that makes players trust him, Simeone has a fear factor about him that makes players follow him, Benitez is probably lacking in that department and is not that alluring.

Klopp has that charm about him, and also plays in a way to entertain. But playing in such a volatile play is not conducive to winning in the long term.
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I only watch Atheltico when they're playing bigger teams to be honest so don't know how they play vs smaller teams i'm assuming they're more attacking. Yes that's the problem with Klopp when you're 2-0 even 3-0 you're still shitting yourself, with Benitez 2-0 i'd be very confident that we'd close out the game.

Attacking football is all the rage at the moment , with Pep Sarri , Klopp and Poch to name a few. But only Pep is lifting trophies so i'm wondering how long this trend will continue.
 
Can23 said:
I only watch Atheltico when they're playing bigger teams to be honest so don't know how they play vs smaller teams i'm assuming they're more attacking. Yes that's the problem with Klopp when you're 2-0 even 3-0 you're still shitting yourself, with Benitez 2-0 i'd be very confident that we'd close out the game.

Attacking football is all the rage at the moment , with Pep Sarri , Klopp and Poch to name a few. But only Pep is lifting trophies so i'm wondering how long this trend will continue.
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Guardiola is a special manager, no one is better than him at front running a league and smashing the smaller teams. He is very obsessive and almost never misses the little details. City are annoyingly predictable coming from a rival fan, you know how they play and what they are going to do but it's very difficult to stop them.

I've predicted that everyone else will be fighting for scraps until Guardiola eventually gets tired of walking the league and getting destroyed in the CL when they meet a top team.
 
breakout67 said:
Guardiola is a special manager, no one is better than him at front running a league and smashing the smaller teams. He is very obsessive and almost never misses the little details. City are annoyingly predictable coming from a rival fan, you know how they play and what they are going to do but it's very difficult to stop them.

I've predicted that everyone else will be fighting for scraps until Guardiola eventually gets tired of walking the league and getting destroyed in the CL when they meet a top team.
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It's weird that we seem to be the one team that has the tools to beat Guardiola's City side, but then we come unstuck ourselves when playing against a well organised unit. We rarely create anything when playing against Mourinho's United.
 
It is about time Klopp delivered. It's funny their fans and the press and pundits wax lyrical about Liverpool and what they are going to win and win they win nothing it's fine because they play nice and weren't supposed to win. Well now they have spent the most money in a calendar year, I believe in English Football history so surely time to deliver? It's his 4th season...
 
Thisistheone said:
Agree, its been a steady, enjoyable journey for you I imagine. But this season must feel like the one where the end result is what counts?

You need to either win or push City all the way in the league. It's another great opportunity for you similar to 2013/14. We don't look quite right, Chelsea and Arsenal have new managers, Spurs aren't buying anyone. Just leaves City who almost certainly won't match last season's heights. & we know how tough it is to retain the PL. No one has done it since Fergie - 2008/09

Meanwhile everything Klopp has worked on these last 3 years is coming to fruition.
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Yeah, the pressure will be different from this season. Scraping fourth would be disappointing.
 
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