I'm confused, are you saying this is an advantage?
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Never probably, unless Liverpool spend big on more players. Or unless they have the sort of breakdown he had in his last season with Dortmund.
I doubt Klopp’s style of mad dash football can work with quality players. That is perfect for the Ji-sung Park’s of this world. There’s a reason he chose the Liverpool job and not United.
False equivalent. Wenger and Mourinho work at bigger clubs, with more money and resources at their disposal. It's only natural that they are held to greater scrutiny
Leaving aside the fact that Klopp is not completely left to fend for himself by FSG without funds - buying Salah, VVD and now Keita certainly shows he gets money - He could have won the league cup and FA cup at the least by now. That has nothing to do with funds since even the smaller clubs win it.
The fact is, Klopp hasn't been very good in the cups during his time at Liverpool. If you want to commend him for reaching 2 finals in his first season on "meagre resources" and "Rodgers' players", then it is incumbent on him to finish the job - he's made it that far, so losing the final takes away the sheen of reaching it in the first place. Then in the subsequent season, he had a fair crack at the domestic cups and failed again. Now, third time a failure.
Liverpool spend way more than Arsenal.
By choice. Doesn't mean they have more money. And Klopp's not above scrutiny, but it's stupid that people would expect him be held to the same standard and scrutiny of Mourinho, who's in charge at literally the richest club in the world
Finishing 4th in the league and winning nothing for United is a sub-par season. For liverpool, it's a good season
It's only acceptable and for certain period of time to be precise. Finish 4th, win nothing and after few seasons you will be sacked and considered as a failure. So, expectations are still higher than that every season.
No they're not. Liverpool's expectations for this season were cementing top 4 for example. If they do, maybe next season will be higher. Either way, they're a world apart from city and united, who are expected to challenge for the league every season
This is true. Liverpool are a smaller club with low expectations.
That's why they chose Klopp who has won very few trophies, while MUFC chose Jose - a serial trophy winner.
Haha, loving it. Complete arse of a bloke who continues to get a free pass from the media.
Another trophyless season - how much longer can he keep pulling the wool over the eyes of the Scousers?
Another trophyless season - how much longer can he keep pulling the wool over the eyes of the Scousers?
So, we're talking mostly in the context of this season or on the basis of one season expectations. Then I agree. But, in a longer run, that won't be enough in a club like Liverpool. For example, Klopp will feel a serious heat for the first time when he goes in the next season because they will expect from him to get them on another level (winning a trophy or make some kind of league challenge).
If we're honest, he is not under heavy fire only because his team shown some great performances on the pitch during a substantial period of time and in certain big games. Which if you ask me is fine because from there you get the feeling if the manager can take you further. Not by some fluke 4th place finish. In any case, next season will be a big one for him.
As for expectations in United/City - Liverpool, that part I didn't even comment because it goes without saying. But, only if you're looking at it from the outside, mind you. A big part of the problem in Liverpool is that most of their fanbase doesn't see it that way. They see themselves as contenders at the start of every season.
I really think this is untrue. A large majority of Liverpool fans don’t expect us to win the league every season. I’ve never actually heard a Liverpool fan say “next year is our year”.
A large majority of your fanbase expect you to finally win the league. Then they would probably sign to not win it for another 15 years and would be happy with it. More in that sense.
I think Klopp will be fine as long as Liverpool are finishing top 4. Benitez and Rogers were sacked for dropping out.
Have you ever visited RAWK pre-Klopp era?
There's definitely a noticeable, vocal portion of your fanbase that with every remotely promising performance comes out with "build on this and we'll win the title/win the treble/go invincible next year" or other such nonsense, often multiple times a season.
Steven Gerrard said it every year for about 10 years.
Even in Klopp era. Every season is a big sign for the next great and triumphing one.
That Boom Bust cycle is so hilarious because it's true.
I mostly agree with what you say. I used to enjoy watching Dortmund play when he was manager, but I never listened to any of his press conferences at the time. However, the Dortmund fans I got to know would love him. Having seen some of his pressers now that he is your manager, I find him somewhat “light”.
I don’t entirely agree that he was brought in to get you winning things again. It’s more like he was brought in to produce attractive football and entertainment. Otherwise, the club wouldn’t have sold Coutinho from under him mid-season.
I just don’t think that’s true, at least not to that extent. You get the odd one who might pipe up and suggest we’re about to become great again but I just don’t see it that often outside of RAWK.
There’s definitely a bit of hype after we get a good result like beating City but none of that was met with suggestions that we could win the league next year or anything like that.
I've encountered more than my fair share who are exactly as I described. You might not have, and that's fair enough.
You said United generate their own money "bar the odd Glazer siphon job". Do you know what you're actually saying here ?
This is his second full season and he's just gotten the most expensive defender in history a few weeks ago. Keita hasn't even set foot in the city and he's just lost the clubs best player. He didn't take over at club that's used to winning with loads of quality.
He'll get them top 4 but that's about it.
I think the same will be next season too.
We have yet to see if he can't get them in a title fight like Brendan did.
I think the same will be next season too.
We have yet to see if he can't get them in a title fight like Brendan did.
I think he's wrongly assuming we used leveraged money to fund transfers – I've seen misguided Scousers try to argue the same in the past. I don't actually blame them for thinking that to be honest given how poorly the media and some of our own fans have covered our financial situation over the years. Imagine you're an opposition fan and you've spent the last 13 years hearing about how United are on the brink of disaster due to our crippling debt and then seeing us repeatedly break domestic and world transfer records anyway, even as we were slipping further and further down the table.
What makes you so sure that helped will get them top four??
If so, who is the team missing out of Chelsea and Spurs for the other spot??
A few weeks ago Klopp was ahead of Rodgers. This stat only pops up when Klopp falls behind.
Even so, the fact he's not really doing any better is there for all to see.
You'll likely claim some subjective quality improvement in the way the team plays. I'd argue that the side under Rogers in that near miss season was the best Liverpool side I've seen in years. The style of attack was even better than the current one IMO and the defence and midfield was a bit better.
If Klopp was the manager then Liverpool would have won their 1st PL.
Rodgers did have the benefit of the emergence of world class Suarez, in all fairness.
Reckon Rodgers has more losses and apart from a single season,
Weren't in top 4.
Weren't in top 4.
It's nearly 2 seasons and the win ratio is almost same.
No he wouldn't have.
Liverpool spends more than Arsenal, to be fair. Also, you won't find many who call Arsenal a bigger club than Liverpool.
I could just as easily then say that if Jose had taken over from Ferguson we'd have won two more titles in the last four seasons and it would be just as valid as your statement...