Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

What happened yesterday wasn't down to Klopp's tactics. The first goal was a collective show of singular ineptitude by 3/4 of that backline. Lovren loses sight of Kane, but somehow(intentionally or not) ends up ahead of him. Matip sees it and decides to play the offside trap, only he doesn't call Gomez, who's slow to read and react and ends up playing Kane onside. Than Lovren gives up on the play, Matip decides to stand still whinging his d*ck instead of playing and Gomez is again slow to react

All that from a throw in, with 5 liverpool players around the ball vs 2 spurs. Liverpool effectively defended that throw in the way they should, they managed to create the situation they wanted, AND STILL MANAGED TO FECK IT UP
 
I think rather than buying anyone else apart from VVD he thought of going it the way it is and waiting for him till january. The thing is if they are not in a decent position VVD might just go to chelsea/city in january. I think he made a big big mistake then, but on the other hand they have played every big team above them apart from chelsea so they have to play mid table clubs where they can get some wins. I think everyone is aware of their defensive frailties and will go for them which will in most of these games play into their hands. They play Huddersfield at home i think next which will be an easy win after they got their game of the season out of the way against us.
 
giorno said:
What happened yesterday wasn't down to Klopp's tactics. The first goal was a collective show of singular ineptitude by 3/4 of that backline. Lovren loses sight of Kane, but somehow(intentionally or not) ends up ahead of him. Matip sees it and decides to play the offside trap, only he doesn't call Gomez, who's slow to read and react and ends up playing Kane onside. Than Lovren gives up on the play, Matip decides to stand still whinging his d*ck instead of playing and Gomez is again slow to react

All that from a throw in, with 5 liverpool players around the ball vs 2 spurs. Liverpool effectively defended that throw in the way they should, they managed to create the situation they wanted, AND STILL MANAGED TO FECK IT UP
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Who trusted Lovren to play this game? End of the day it's all on coach as he picks the teams and he trains them.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Baffling by Mourinho to not attack this shite defence, some really horrible defending there. Klopp is clueless, I really cant see him turning this around. Attackingly they arent even that great as well.
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Yes, it beggars belief that we set up so conservatively against so fragile a defence.
 
At what point does this guy start to be under pressure? One draw and loss for us and the media and neutrals have all been shitting on Mourinho. Liverpool have had the same issues for a long time and have something like 2 wins in their last 9 or 10 games. Astonishing that no one is asking questions of this guy yet.
 
giorno said:
What happened yesterday wasn't down to Klopp's tactics. The first goal was a collective show of singular ineptitude by 3/4 of that backline. Lovren loses sight of Kane, but somehow(intentionally or not) ends up ahead of him. Matip sees it and decides to play the offside trap, only he doesn't call Gomez, who's slow to read and react and ends up playing Kane onside. Than Lovren gives up on the play, Matip decides to stand still whinging his d*ck instead of playing and Gomez is again slow to react

All that from a throw in, with 5 liverpool players around the ball vs 2 spurs. Liverpool effectively defended that throw in the way they should, they managed to create the situation they wanted, AND STILL MANAGED TO FECK IT UP
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I can see why Migs was trying so hard to intervene now you've explained all that, :D.
 
KM said:
You're also five points from Eighteenth.
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All that does then is highlight how early it is in the season.

He's at a crossroads and will either turn it around or it'll all fall apart.

It did look and sound like the penny might've dropped yesterday. He might realise that something has to change if he's going to make it work here.
KM said:


Incredible stat :lol:

Heavy metal football
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I think that's down to poor finishing more than poor football. We should've sold Coutinho and spent the money on a CB and a striker who could manage 20 goals.
 
Klopper76 said:
All that does then is highlight how early it is in the season.

He's at a crossroads and will either turn it around or it'll all fall apart.

It did look and sound like the penny might've dropped yesterday. He might realise that something has to change if he's going to make it work here.

I think that's down to poor finishing more than poor football. We should've sold Coutinho and spent the money on a CB and a striker who could manage 20 goals.
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His carreer so far has shown that he has no plan B at all. When all went to shits at Dortmund he had no idea what to do. The prenny dropped as well back then but he couldn't change anything and went. Will be interesting to see whether he manages to change his approach.
 
Of course that goal would never have happened if he was a player, because then they would have had someone else managing them instead
 
Amar__ said:
Probably repeated couple of times, but I'll say again that it was completely unjustified to play so defensive against them. I cannot believe so many people were happy with our approach and the result.
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Agree. We didn't need to push up to the half way line or anything. But we could have easily taken them on in an intelligent way the way Spurs did. Staying solid whilst attacking teams is possible.
 
Maradona10 said:
I think rather than buying anyone else apart from VVD he thought of going it the way it is and waiting for him till january. The thing is if they are not in a decent position VVD might just go to chelsea/city in january. I think he made a big big mistake then, but on the other hand they have played every big team above them apart from chelsea so they have to play mid table clubs where they can get some wins. I think everyone is aware of their defensive frailties and will go for them which will in most of these games play into their hands. They play Huddersfield at home i think next which will be an easy win after they got their game of the season out of the way against us.
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Apparently Mourinho wasn't aware of Liverpool having a shit defence or Huddersfield being an easy win :confused:
 
KM said:


Incredible stat :lol:

Heavy metal football
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This is not true I think. They've scored 14 goals this season I think (4 vs Arsenal, 3 vs Leicester and watford, 1 vs palace, Spurs, Burnley and Newcastle). Surely there would've been seasons when they scored fewer.

EDIT: Just checked- they scored 8 in the first 9 in 15-16 season
 
Hawks2008 said:
At what point does this guy start to be under pressure? One draw and loss for us and the media and neutrals have all been shitting on Mourinho. Liverpool have had the same issues for a long time and have something like 2 wins in their last 9 or 10 games. Astonishing that no one is asking questions of this guy yet.
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I take it you don't read the newspapers, read online articles or watch TV then ?
 
anant said:
This is not true I think. They've scored 14 goals this season I think (4 vs Arsenal, 3 vs Leicester and watford, 1 vs palace, Spurs, Burnley and Newcastle). Surely there would've been seasons when they scored fewer.

EDIT: Just checked- they scored 8 in the first 9 in 15-16 season
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That the issue with believing everything you read on Twitter and then reposting it everywhere !
 
Would Liverpool fans have taken a Mourinho style defensive game and 0-0 yesterday instead of the 4-1 thrashing?

I know you can't play that way at Liverpool but just curious.
 
anant said:
This is not true I think. They've scored 14 goals this season I think (4 vs Arsenal, 3 vs Leicester and watford, 1 vs palace, Spurs, Burnley and Newcastle). Surely there would've been seasons when they scored fewer.

EDIT: Just checked- they scored 8 in the first 9 in 15-16 season
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fecking Twitter mentions lied to me then. I'll delete the post.
 
Rafateria said:
That the issue with believing everything you read on Twitter and then reposting it everywhere !
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Just wish you had paid heed to this advice when you were posting the VvD rumors.
 
Godfather said:
His carreer so far has shown that he has no plan B at all. When all went to shits at Dortmund he had no idea what to do. The prenny dropped as well back then but he couldn't change anything and went. Will be interesting to see whether he manages to change his approach.
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It's not just a problem of not having a plan B, but that his plan A has obvious flaws. During his time in Dortmund this was already discussed. He was very reluctant to adopt a different style despite all the problems. I remember that he even doubled down in the summer before his last season in Dortmund (~"we'll go back to our strength/roots= more pressing"), which was a weird thing to do.
By far the most bizarre thing he is doing currently, is his midfield selection.
In Dortmund he usually relied on a DM (kehl/bender), a cm (Sahin/gündogan) and a OM (Kagawa/lewa/Götze/Miki). That gave the team a natural balance, even when he struggled to organise certain aspects of the game.
Now he often relies on three CMs/runners/workhorses to play in midfield (or two + coutinho). Those players clearly lack the natural instincts to create balance and would need a lot more coaching to make it work. This seems to be deliberate. He sold the only DM (Lucas) and went after keita, who is just a better version of Henderson/Can.
The lack of quality is one thing, but this Liverpool team is set up in an extremely one dimensional way. I doubt that this is a good idea regardless of the squad (obviously the team would be a lot better with another competent CB, a good GK and a proper LB.)
 
KM said:
Just wish you had paid heed to this advice when you were posting the VvD rumors.
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Except they were right weren't they ? And from a decent source (Liverpool ITKs close to the club) not 'Twitterati dot com' or whatever poster it was.
 
Jim Beam said:
So, he threw Lovren under the bus.

Unfortunately for them, just in a figurative way.
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He threw himself under the bus. He needed subbing off because his head had gone. Afterwards Klopp tried to mitigate it within reason ("it could have been any of them").
 
Rafateria said:
Except they were right weren't they ? And from a decent source not 'Twitterati dot com' or whatever poster it was.
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Yeah I must have missed him playing for Liverpool yesterday.
 
Since when is subbing a player who has been utterly appalling "throwing him under the bus"? Do your job and it won't happen.
 
Rafateria said:
He threw himself under the bus. He needed subbing off because his head had gone. Afterwards Klopp tried to mitigate it within reason ("it could have been any of them").
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Yeah, seen the interview after. If I'm honest this is the first time he seemed proper shaken afterward. Could've handled it better.
 
Jim Beam said:
Yeah, seen the interview after. If I'm honest this is the first time he seemed proper shaken afterward. Could've handled it better.
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Guess he was really shaken. I don't think many expected that but then Lovren's meltdown was something else and I doubt any team could have recovered their poise after that. I literally couldn't believe what I was seeing from him. He absolutely needed to be removed. Klopp said they tried another tactic but that didn't work either, he was quite honest in his appraisal.
 
Klopper76 said:
I think that's down to poor finishing more than poor football. We should've sold Coutinho and spent the money on a CB and a striker who could manage 20 goals.
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Never mind a striker. You should have sold Coutinho and bought in 2 CB's and a new 'keeper. You'd be a far better team for it. Pride got in the way of your club selling Coutinho and you're suffering for it.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Never mind a striker. You should have sold Coutinho and bought in 2 CB's and a new 'keeper. You'd be a far better team for it. Pride got in the way of your club selling Coutinho and you're suffering for it.
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Pride didn't. Time did. But don't let that spoil your rhetoric !
 
Rafateria said:
Pride didn't. Time did. But don't let that spoil your rhetoric !
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Bullshit. Your club took the stance they aren't a selling club that is going to get bullied by the big boys. Turning down in excess of £100m for Coutinho was ridiculous.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Bullshit. Your club took the stance they aren't a selling club that is going to get bullied by the big boys. Turning down in excess of £100m for Coutinho was ridiculous.
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Selling him with no time to buy anyone, let alone THREE players you seem to think we could have bought, would have been ridiculous. As I said your rhetoric doesn't suit the reality of the situation.
 
Rafateria said:
Selling him with no time to buy anyone, let alone THREE players you seem to think we could have bought, would have been ridiculous. As I said your rhetoric doesn't suit the reality of the situation.
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Some could say it would‘ve been possible if you had prepared for this possible situation by at least having some targets set up. But I suppose plan B doesn‘t seem to be found anywhere at your club.
 
Not sure if selling Coutinho would have done them any good as he's been the only bright side to their team these past few games, I would say. Phenomenal player and you don't become a better team by selling your most influential spark and reinvesting that in other parts, those shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
 
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