What a load of nonsense, that mostly has absolutely nothing to do with Klopp's work at Dortmund. Your argument that Klopp only won titles with Dortmund while Bayern was weak is simply nonsense and completely untrue for the 11/12 season. The fact that we raised the bar even further the following years doesn't disprove that either. It all sounds like a bunch of silly facts taken from a bit of internet research without actually watching games or being interested in putting it into a meaningful context.
It's fact. Your idea of what happened and emotional investment in it doesn't change that. The numbers highlight that Bayern weren't up to their usual standard and Klopp did well to capitalise on that. This is what I've said all along, then you came flying in harping on about how Bayern only had one poor season and were apparently amazing.
As I said, Bayern have won 9 of the last 15 Bundesligas. At the end of three of the ones they didn't win they were within a two game swing of winning it, and in the other three they were further behind. One of those seasons they finished 4th and Stuttgart won, and the other two were when Dortmund won it under Klopp. In terms of Bayern's distance from the top, they were two of Bayern's poorest seasons since 1991/92, with the 4th place in 06/07 tying with 10/11. Bayern may have been better in 11/12 than they were the season before, but they still weren't the finished article, as evidenced by the seven defeats they suffered, which is only one fewer than they conceded in the following three seasons combined, and exactly the same number as they suffered the season before.
Again, my point was that Klopp capitalised on the transitional period, and did so very well. Once Bayern recovered, he couldn't touch them, and they ended up having something of a collapse. Regardless of the football played and the feeling in the country at the time, the success for Klopp came at a time when Bayern weren't quite firing on all cylinders, and as soon as they were, Dortmund couldn't get near them.
To refer to your earlier post:
We had one single bad season when the team collapsed under van Gaal.
You'd gone through 6 managers in 5 seasons before Heynckes took charge again for 11/12. Clearly something wasn't going well.
We were already excellent in 11/12, reached the CL final and overall played a brilliant season, just coming short in the league
It was your third worst title challenge since 1991/92.
Klopp didn't just take the chance whilst it was there, that could be said for Wolfsburg in 2009.
It could be said for Wolfsburg, and Werder Bremen, and Stuttgart, and importantly, Dortmund too.
Klopp established a heavily struggling club back at the top, beat an elite side to a league title
I've not denied that he did well to build them back from regular 6th/7th placed finishers to title challengers. What I have said is that he did so in what can be regarded as fortuitous circumstances. Namely Bayern not being their best and landing on his feet with a number of signings.
regularly gave elite teams in Europe lots of problems including some truely sensation wins like the 4-1 home win against Real in the CL semifinal.
That was the only sensational win. They were average to poor in every other European campaign he had with them. As I said, it was a one-off run to the trophy, not dissimilar to Liverpool's Europa League charge last season.
your posts and ignore the actual story, all the emotions happening over several years, fair enough. I personally find that really sad.
This is the issue here. You're looking at it through the lens of an invested supporter of their title rival during this time and elevating things based on how you remember it, rather than what actually happened.
