Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Why is Phil being thrown under the bus? :(

Anyway. Gary Neville should be prepared for that type of comment. Surprised it's taken this long for someone to mention the Valencia disaster.
 
Calling Gary Neville anti-Liverpool just because he criticized a Liverpool player when he criticizes United players on a regular basis is just childish. Gary Neville is pretty much anti-everyone except British players. I don't like Gary as a pundit and I would like someone to tell him he's talking rubbish, but Klopp's reasoning is ridiculous so he's only making a fool of himself. It's kindergarten-level stuff.
 
I really like Gary and I really hate Liverpool. But from Klopp's POV I think his comments are justified and to some extend true. I still belive in Nevilles abillities as a manager, but you can't blame Klopp for not. That stint he had at Valencia was both shocking and really embarrassing
 
Runner said:
Let's ignore that Valencia were in relegation before Neville and are 17th at the moment. Klopp's final season was a disaster for BVB. I understand that he's trying to defend his player but he's coming across as extremely petty.
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Neville deserves all the swips he's getting, and the guy failed miserably at Valencia, let's not even try looking for excuses because that'd be embarrassing.

Neville is an hypocrite. Quick to criticise and be petty when it comes to foreign players but turn blind eyes when it comes to English players and show reluctance to lay any criticism on them .

He shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
Ban said:
Its a bit embarrassing. He could have saod he doesnt agree with Nev but instead he went all personal on him spesking of his managerial stint at Valencia and how he cant judge players.
Proper mini rant.
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Yup. Really unprofessional.
 
Oh dear, Klopp's been on the KoolAid.

There comes a point in every Liverpool manager's career, usually about a year into the job, where that switch flicks from reasonable, sane, inoffensive guy to paranoid, delusional, ranting, United-obsessed weirdo.

Usually over trivial bollocks.
 
Sphaero said:
You are right. The topic is not even about Karius anymore, which is exactly what Klopp wants. With his statements Klopp did something he did several times in the past both with us and Mainz, he made himself into a lightning rod for his players. An underperforming keeper is a nice story, but a top manager having a go at a well known pundit and former world class player is an even juicier topic for the media to jump on.

Now, people will disagree with this method and some people will even take offense in what he said, but at least his player is now a bit out of the medial focus. This is how he treats his players, which show the necessary amount of commitment and effort: He shields them from the medial fire by nearly any means necessary. This ensures two things for him:

1. It builds trust between him and his players, creating an environment where they can improve without fear to make mistakes.

2. It motivates the maximum amount of effort and investment from the players, because his protection always comes with this price.
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I just hope it keeps Karius in the team.

That would be best for everyone. Especially Liverpool's opponents.
 
Ban said:
Its a bit embarrassing. He could have saod he doesnt agree with Nev but instead he went all personal on him spesking of his managerial stint at Valencia and how he cant judge players.
Proper mini rant.
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Klopp is right though. Nev doesn't understand football management very much.

He should have mentioned the fact that he preferred Hart to DDG while at it
 
Varun said:
I'm all for players/managers calling out these "pundits" for talking shit. Not going to have double standards just because it's the neville brothers vs Klopp.
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This.

And and it's quite funny how bipolar this place can get. On one hand you have people slagging off Neville in his thread for his constant shit punditry and biases especially against foreign players then on the other hand you have people in this thread pretending as if they should stick with Neville crap punditry and defend him.

Anyone sticking out for pundits are having a laugh especially us who've been witch hunted by them and their constant pretence when most of them wouldn't even be able to do a millionth of a job these managers in the league do.

Anyone calling out smart asses pundits is gladly welcomed in my good book, I don't care if they manage Pool or whatever.

These pretentious pundits need to be called out especially when they've proven they are actually crap when asked to do actual managerial tasks. They can only talk on TV.
 
When this all kicked off last week Klopp told him to ignore the media.....now they've both gone and jumped in head first.
 
Interesting divide of opinion in here.

Team Klopp or Team Neville?
 
Klopper76 said:
Here's what was said for anyone interested.
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I actually thought the first bit of what he said was pretty reasonable. Should have left out the bit having a dig at Neville as it makes Klopp look petty. It's just emotion though, it's obvious he's pissed off with Neville.

As Steve J has said, Gary does come across quite rude at times so I'm not surprised that someone has now taken exception with him.

But it's still quite funny seeing Klopp in a bother:D
 
Santoryo said:
This.

And and it's quite funny how bipolar this place can get. On one hand you have people slagging off Neville in his thread for his constant shit punditry and biases especially against foreign players then on the other hand you have people in this thread pretending as if they should stick with Neville crap punditry and defend him.

Anyone sticking out for pundits are having a laugh especially us who've been witch hunted by them and their constant pretence when most of them wouldn't even be able to do a millionth of a job these managers in the league do.

Anyone calling out smart asses pundits is gladly welcomed in my good book, I don't care if they manage Pool or whatever.

These pretentious pundits need to be called out especially when they've proven they are actually crap when asked to do actual managerial tasks. They can only talk on TV.
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Neville played at the top level for over a decade and won every single trophy going. A few bad months in his first management job don't suddenly mean he isn't allowed an opinion on football.

He's much more qualified than most pundits to give his view, most of whom have neither managed nor played at the top level.

Plus, he was absolutely spot on. Karius is a donkey! If Karius doesn't want those in the media speaking about him why has he himself been speaking to the media this week? It's braindead. Deserves every bit of flak coming his way (1) for being a shit keeper and (2) for mouthing off in the press.
 
You can say what you want about Neville's failed managerial career, but his job is to get people talking and analyze the game. He's one of the best if not the best and Klopp has embarrassed himself here.
 
Thisistheone said:
Thing is, Neville wasn't talking shit was he? Karius has been very poor and cost them points.
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I didn't mean shit as in nonsense. Neville has shown bias in the past, his scathing criticism of de Gea while defending Hart for instance. If you're an expert that commands respect, you can be doing that. In general though, I don't have time for these so called experts and I'm all for players/managers calling them out. I loved it when Mourinho gave the middle finger to redknapp for instance, no different now.
 
In all seriousness Klopp is showing his naivety here. His team is having its first tough patch of the season and he instantly plays the blame game and then goes on a bizarre personal attack on pundits who happen to be ex-United despite what the likes of ex Liverpool legend Carragher has been saying himself.

It's all good and well showing emotion and histrionics on the touchline but you need to be able to control it otherwise it becomes quite detrimental a la Benitez, Keegan
 
redNATION said:
Me same. I've made my feelings clear on the modern game before - there's far too many 'talking heads' all wanting a say on something. I dont even watch pre and post game analysis (or even HT), just the 90 minutes of game time. Most of these 'pundits' are just trying to become celebrities, and get in the news, much like airheads on 'reality TV' taking their clothes off or acting like idiots. I think Klopp's right to call them out, just like Jose was right to call Redknapp out on his 'footballing genius' comment.
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Ha. I just cited the exact same example while replying to another poster on a different tab.
 
I want Liverpool to fail miserably as much as the next United supporter, but this doesn't strike me as a proper meltdown at all. It's a nothing story blown out of proportion because Klopp and the Nevilles are involved.

I don't know what Gary said, but I don't blame Klopp one bit for getting annoyed by his punditry.
 
Klopper76 said:
Interesting divide of opinion in here.

Team Klopp or Team Neville?
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Huh? Why do we have to choose a side blindly? I'm all for mangers giving a middle finger to those experts. It'd be no different whether Klopp did it no neville or Mourinho did it carragher.
 
RedCurry said:
These are my opinions on wide variety of topics on this thread:

Karius: seems like he could potentially have potential but he somewhere deep down inside idolizes Neuer and wants to be like him. But he doesn't have the physicality and distribution to match. He should just keep it simple and he can have a successful career.

Klopp on Gary: Klopp took Dortmund to relgation zone midway through the season just like Gary Neville. Only difference is the Klopp didn't get fired midway through the season.

Gary Neville: Should just not respond anymore. He got under Klopp's skin. Leave it lingering.
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He also took Dortmund to two titles and a Champions League and steered them to 7th or 6th place in the same season you are talking about but yeah, Gary Neville and Klopp have had VERY similar managerial careers.
 
Lay said:
Why is Phil being thrown under the bus? :(

Anyway. Gary Neville should be prepared for that type of comment. Surprised it's taken this long for someone to mention the Valencia disaster.
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Phil has commented too.
 
Shark said:
Klopp had a similar season with Dortmund though. Mourinho had one with Chelsea. It doesn't mean that Neville, a legend for one of the biggest clubs in the world, should be banned from having an opinion as a pundit. I'm glad he got under Klopp' skin though, long may it continue.
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Stop comparing Neville to 2 proven world class managers, it's kind of unsettling.

Neville has only had failures in his managerial stints, be it with Valencia or England.
 
I love the misnomers about Neville's managerial "failure". Valencia were shit before he came, shit during the few months he managed, and are still shit months after he left. Methinks he was not the common problem.

Losing respect for hypocrite Klopp at the moment.
 
Klopper76 said:
Interesting divide of opinion in here.

Team Klopp or Team Neville?
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If Klopp was a lot more subtle about this he could have garnered more sympathy with a DDG comparison. This comes a week after Eddie Howe said the worst thing Jurgen has ever heard in football and can't wait to pay Bournemouth again when talking about targeting Karius.
It's far too over the top to accomplish anything.
 
Klopp is a weird man. Shame Ferguson isn't still around to wind him up. It'd end up being another Keegan or Rafa moment for sure.
 
Sarni said:
He also took Dortmund to two titles and a Champions League and steered them to 7th or 6th place in the same season you are talking about but yeah, Gary Neville and Klopp have had VERY similar managerial careers.
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Now Klopp wasn't talking about Gary's titles was he? He was specifically talking about his poor 6 months as a manager. Any manager, even Klopp, can have a terrible 6 months especially if the players aren't playing for him. That comment makes him sound like an idiot given that he himself had a bit of a mini crisis.

He is also implying that you HAVE to be a good manager to identify a good talent. Which again is untrue.

Gary Neville has also played with better players, especially goalkeepers, than Klopp has ever managed so he should know a thing or two about good goalkeepers.
 
cyberman said:
If Klopp was a lot more subtle about this he could have garnered more sympathy with a DDG comparison. This comes a week after Eddie Howe said the worst thing Jurgen has ever heard in football and can't wait to pay Bournemouth again when talking about targeting Karius.
It's far too over the top to accomplish anything.
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It wasn't even Howe, it was one of the players, Cook.
 
Fridge chutney said:
I love the misnomers about Neville's managerial "failure". Valencia were shit before he came, shit during the few months he managed, and are still shit months after he left. Methinks he was not the common problem.

Losing respect for hypocrite Klopp at the moment.
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Does seem a bit daft criticising Gary over his managerial career. Does Klopp really think 4 months in a job is long enough for a manager to prove themselves? I doubt it.
 
RedCurry said:
Now Klopp wasn't talking about Gary's titles was he? He was specifically talking about his poor 6 months as a manager. Any manager, even Klopp, can have a terrible 6 months especially if the players aren't playing for him. That comment makes him sound like an idiot given that he himself had a bit of a mini crisis.

He is also implying that you HAVE to be a good manager to identify a good talent. Which again is untrue.

Gary Neville has also played with better players, especially goalkeepers, than Klopp has ever managed so he should know a thing or two about good goalkeepers.
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It would have been difficult for him to talk about Neville's managerial successes though. You actually implied that the only difference between them as managers is that Klopp wasn't sacked for being terrible.
 
RedCurry said:
Now Klopp wasn't talking about Gary's titles was he? He was specifically talking about his poor 6 months as a manager. Any manager, even Klopp, can have a terrible 6 months especially if the players aren't playing for him. That comment makes him sound like an idiot given that he himself had a bit of a mini crisis.

He is also implying that you HAVE to be a good manager to identify a good talent. Which again is untrue.

Gary Neville has also played with better players, especially goalkeepers, than Klopp has ever managed so he should know a thing or two about good goalkeepers.
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It's a bit of a difference if you have 6 bad months sorrounded by 10 good years vs your entire career consisting of 6 bad months and then going back to being a pundit.
 
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