He is extremely young for a coach. Instead of going for another job like Bayern where they can use his inexperience to unfairly jettison him. Its wiser for him to pick up a club like Spurs. With the potential to be great with decent resources which he can mould into a truly great side then end up at a Real Madrid type job in a true position of strength. The biggest problem with elite jobs is failure or being fired there more than once will linger. He can't afford at his age to go to a Real Madrid and PSG and end up in his same current shoes
Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel
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Just wait for the Chelsea or Liverpool job in summer.
First. Yes. I'm very sure it was Pochetino's decision to not spend for that one summer. Furthermore, I don't get why you keep insisting his midfield wasn't invested in. Yet the summer of the season he got fired it was he who expensively brought in Nbombele and Lo Celso. Second. Levy DID eventually sack him precisely when he got unhappy with his performance levels. I don't understand why you imagine Levy unhappy before that point.
That's the equivàlent of asking whether Real Madrid should sign Van De beek from us this summer after how his far his stock has fallen.
That is not a valid excuse for them to mutiny.
He was their longest serving recent manager. During his rebuild he did nothing to change that culture of lack of ambition. He so simply built a tram with hunger and didn't do ANYTHING with it and complacency and comfort reasserted itself. Its not ridiculous to pin their current travails on him. Its not like he went else where and instilled a winners culture there with better resources.
Was a pretty big gamble and looks like it hasn't paid off.
Bayern were in contention for all three tournaments and a week later from sacking Nagelsmann they're out of two of them 
Tuchel would have got all the praise, and Nagelsmann/Pep would have been ripped apart, if Bayern won here 3-0.
Just saying.
Just saying.
I think there’s a point where it’s too late to sack a coach and make a real difference that season. This was one of those times.
One of the daftest decisions I’ve seen made in football, just behind Harry Kane’s contract.
Nagelsmann can’t have done any worse.
Nagelsmann can’t have done any worse.
Why was he sacked again?
I don't get it.
Average at Mainz.
Average at Dortmund.
Failed at PSG.
New manager bounce at Chelsea then failed.
Off to a terrible start at Bayern.
Why is he still talked about as one of the world's best coaches? Nagelsmann is much better.
Average at Mainz.
Average at Dortmund.
Failed at PSG.
New manager bounce at Chelsea then failed.
Off to a terrible start at Bayern.
Why is he still talked about as one of the world's best coaches? Nagelsmann is much better.
Poch wanted specific players in that summer and refused to accept any players not on his wanted list. Levy then failed to deliver any of those players. Is that on Poch or Levy?
It was also (further) destabilizing in the crucial phase of the season. The timing of this sacking has been catastrophic and makes the club bosses look disoriented and clueless.
Losing our only forward also exposes the failed squad planning, that's the point neither Tuchel nor Nagelsmann could have solved.
Should have stopped at that.
Got to the Champions League final which remains their best result
Failed at Chelsea? Won the Champions League!
Di Matteo won one in the similar manner, would you say he is a successful manager?
Come back to me when hes won something worthwhile with a team he had at least a hand in creating.
Aside from the new manager bounce at Chelsea he's achieved very little to justify the reputation he has.
Well Tuchel followed it up by finishing 3rd in the league the following season unlike Di Matteo, then got sacked like every Chelsea manager does. Doesn’t mean he was a failure, think most people would think overall he did a good job at Chelsea.
Dortmund:
Won the DFB Pokal in 2016/17 (+ runners up the year before)
Bundesliga 2015/16: Second highest point total in club history, which would have secured a league title in all but three of the previous 52 seasons.
And? So you have any other filter conditions like team should have minimum 3 black players, 2 players wearing rainbow laces, couple of racist cnuts and domestic abusers?
He has been a success in every single job he took.
Oh right, we classing 3rd in the league as a success for a manager then?
It’s acceptable when they’re behind Liverpool and City getting 90+ points, a season after winning the Champions League. Not a failure.
Yet since he left Mainz he hasn't lasted more than a couple of years in any of them.
Other than a Champions League win with somebody else's team he hasn't got much on his CV considering the clubs he has managed.
English media gassed him up "because we have the best league in the world and the best managers"
I was going to make a similar point in the matchday thread but then thought, wasn't it Nagelsmann who wanted Mane to play as striker? Or was it a board level decision to replace Lewandowski with Mane?
Regarding sacking Nagelsmann, they can try to make it out to be because the season was going over the rails but it was very clearly because Tuchel gave them an ultimatum that it's either now or never. The board have had a hard-on for Tuchel for a while now so they were willing to potentially waste this season in order to have him more long term.
If you’re looking at it on stats alone it was good but our performances were poor from January and we struggled to 3rd. Following season our pre season was abysmally planned, playing mostly players that aren’t even in the squad, the matches came too late and we started the season with fitness levels far below that other every other team. From that point on our results and performances began to align and we have continued to regress at an alarming pace.
Tichel was brilliant in the beginning and we were fantastic by every metric going. That’s what people choose to remember.
Didn't realise you were a Liverpool fan.
Love me some points totals chat, truly the reserve of the Liverpool fan.
Would you call him a failure though?
Somebody else's team? Whose team was that?
And why do people obsess with "building a team"? Not every coach stays at club for years to do that, game has moved on from coach building the team long ago.
Mainz played their two best ever Bundesliga seasons under Tuchel.
Dortmund arguably played their best ever league season under Tuchel.
He made the CL final with PSG, when they exited in the ro16 or QF before he took over.
If you apply the same amount of ignorance to Nagelsmann's career, surely he must look much worse?
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Nagelsmann is the only person coming out of this situation looking good to be honest.
I don't think so, but I guess it just depends on who you like. I don't rate Nagelsmann that high and therefore I think they sacked him too late.
Nothing gets past Phil Jones's contract.
Does "nagel" have the same meaning in German as in Swedish - like a fingernail/toenail?
Kinda icky to be named Toenail man.
Kinda icky to be named Toenail man.
He lost 3 games all season with a 75% win rate the sacking was ridiculous. They‘ve lost 2 in a week since he left.
It was crazy when he got sacked but it’s looking more ridiculous by the game, they had a chance at a treble and will do well to win a league, Tuchel will struggle to lift the players after that shit.
Not a major surprise though is it when even Pep was questioned whilst there
He won the champions league, he absolutely is a successful manager.
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Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second
At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
Dortmund's best ever season? They finished second
At PSG he won everything a PSG manager is expected to win with their eyes closed, and nothing more.
But how can you say he was average at Mainz when he took the equivalent of Bournemouth into Europe? What about those performances were average? Stuff like that just makes it seem like you have an agenda and kinda discredits your takes on his performances at all the other clubs.