Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel
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Strange choice, considering he wasn't a particularly decent player anyway.
Nagelsmann steered Leipzig towards a (more) possession heavy approach, especially in their second season.
And being being less of an inevitable force is also down to Bayern themselves, they looked far from invincible for large parts under Flick, too. They lost their two starting CBs and Davies and Goretzka, two players who they have no replacements for, have been missing/unfit most of the season.
Yeah.. how could they have gone with a mediocre player like Salihamidzic for their management position, when they had an all-time-great of the game like Matthäus available. He could have made a nice DoF duo with Stefan Effenberg.
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Yeah about 90% of the time under Ancelotti and especially Kovac I didn't feel we're invincible at all.
What I can confirm is that we lost the consistency we had under Pep, Heynckes and Flick. Without looking it up it feels like we lost more games to underdogs this season than in the last 5-10 years.
And the ups and downs are pretty crazy: We lost to Frankfurt, smashed Leverkusen (5:1, with 5:0 after 30 minutes or so), Benfica and Hoffenheim (4:0), got humiliated by Gladbach (0:5) and finished with a 5:2 against Union Berlin. This was our october. With probably our single worst game in the last 10 years against Gladbach (i really only can think of the game when Klinsmann was our coach and where Barca completely dominanted us in what...2009?) and one of the best and most impressive against Leverkusen.
Lots considered him to just be a puppet of Uli Hoeneß who retired from that position.
Nail on head.No surprises that the most vocal critics on here are all extremely pro-Ole, for the most part. It's hilarious that this group regularly thrash other managers, while they vehemently defended a seriously underwhelming 3-years of Ole. Classic Caf
If they are criticising his tactics openly, they have to go.
It depends. If they kept it internally and ultimately followed him it should be ok to question and give feedback. Some kind of feedback culture should exist in every workplace, a football team isn't different in that regard.
Thomas Müller and Joshua Kimmich, I would say. That's about the only 2 players who have seen and tasted all tactical variations under various Bayern managers for years to make a strong opinion that could reach most of the dressing room.
In any case, Nagelsmann was clearly asking for trouble with the 3-man back line with one CB who is not exactly having a good time (Upamecano). Benjamin Pavard is not the most comfortable CB either, so the danger of being hit on a counterattack was always there. Bayern's recipe for success has often been a hybrid between 4-3-3 and 4-5-1, and having 5 men capable of defending (a back 4 and a CDM) is why they were solid for years defensively. Unless Nagelsmann can adapt his approach with that tenet, he will not lead Bayern that far in Europe when that is now their main objective in every season.
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Oh lord
Is there a controversy surrounding them?Oh lord
Speaking in coherent sentences is the pinnacle of their intellect, at least that's what they seem like
They are two of the main actors from the legendary FC Hollywood, they don't like each others.
Didn't know, they seemed to be great captains , liked both of em.
Shame they're almost as controversy prone as we are.
The skillset needed to play wingback is much different than from Wingers. Most wingbacks are people who used to play as full backs, as defensive solidity is the first thing.
Chelsea is one big team that plays 3 at the back and they use James, Alonso and Chilwell for it. These players are defenders first.
Its not like they are trying Ziyech, Werner and Pulisic at wingbacks vs Madrid.
Sane, Coman, Gnabry are wingers first and will not work as wing backs as they are defensively deficient
A crucial CL knockout is not where you try out tactics that players are unfamiliar with.
Most of these players have played the vast part of their careers in a 4231 or 433. Now turning them into wingbacks overnight will not cut it vs top sides.
We have been struggling in the league since January and the poor form of the following pack is why we are still topping the table
This season is a failure in my books
Just like Roy Keane was for Man Utd. Great captain but will never be FO material
Bayern are significantly more controversy prone than United.
Well roy was and is very aggressive which doesn't fly in the business world and while you could say that about effenberg as he certainly gave that intense vibe i never got that from matthuas who gave much more calm lead by example vibe so that surprises me to be honest.
Though I'm aware matthaus apparently has a problem of keeping club secrets to himself
That's good to hear i guess? Never seemed like it from outside.
You never heard the term "FC Hollywood" for them? That was created due to the quite public "discussions" sometimes happening there.
I'm aware of some of the bizarre press conferences by the board over there and their annual membership meetings i just thought that the Hollywood nickname was for them scoring a shit ton of goals and dominating German football.
The FC Hollywood was for the fact that Bayern can't avoid drama and since they are a pretty big deal in Germany things tend to be aired nationally and publicly.
And it goes back to a time before Bayern was as dominant as they are today. Actually it might have been their weakest period in the last 50 years.
Surprisingly how successful they've been with this going on.
It mostly happened because they assembled great players and strong characters. It's what you need for a winning team, but it also migh result on clashs over stuff players in other clubs wouldn't care about.
Hopefully we'll learn a thing or two from it.
No idea how Thomas Muller gets into the team for them. One of the most overrated players there has been. Naglesman is still a good manager, probably expected more this season but that's the high standards expected of him and Bayern.
I have no idea what system they were playing last night. It seems they were making it overly complicated whereas they should have stuck with a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1.
Personally I always thought the „FC Hollywood“ controversy a clever method to stay in the tabloids and get media attention 24/7 even though the sporting results didn‘t warrant it in that era. Must say it did work out.
It should’ve been obvious he was a bad manager the moment he turned up to OT dressed like Neil from the Inbetweeners.
Come on , they wouldn't have won either of their trebles if he wasn't there. Also puts up amazing numbers
He gets in the team by registering around 20 assists per season in the league in the last 3 seasons. And by being the player that creates the most in Bundesliga.
May have been good in the past but just don’t see him as a Naglesmann type of player.
That's fair but he definitely is a world class player.
I think one of them is Lewandowski because there were several rumors and articles in the last few months that said, that Lewy wouldn't be to happy with our tactics.
If it's true I don't really know why because just judging the numbers (his goals and the amount of chances he had) he's not in a worse situation than last year.
Bayerns xG was 2.6 over the two legs, compared with 2.0 for Villareal.
Statistically, the chances Bayern had over the two legs typically would have led to a greater number of goals than Villareal’s.
Oh wow.. A whole .6 of xg.... I watched the majority of both legs and can safely say Villareal easily had the better of the chances.
Same thing I saw as well. Aside the goal, The other chance was the Muller header off target
Villareal had like 4 clear chances first leg and 2 in the return leg