Jude Bellingham | Confirmed Borussia Dortmund player

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Dan600 said:
He's 16 and playing regularly in the Championship, as opposed to Rooney way back when at Everton in the PL at 18, when we paid £33M, how does it compare? Inflation and all etc. There was a table back in 2017 adjusting fees for inflation, estimated Rooney's fee at £130 something million in todays money, about 4 times the fee. Di Maria in 2014/15 was £67.5M, in 2017 was estimated at £102.7M adjusted for inflation, so about 1.52 times the fee.

Putting context, actually makes the fee seem more plausible, depending on just how good he is... £30M today in 2019 is presumably further inflated. I can imagine £30M is roughly like a £10-15M fee back before 2017. Would that have been reasonable back then?

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He's the jewel in Birmingham City's crown - a club that never has stellar talent and have their own aspirations of promotion. The notion we can get him for a pittance is delusional at best, and arrogance at worst.

Birmingham should be trying to drag us over coals for his signature, and rightly so.

Birmingham should also be stating exponential growth and potential of a 16-year old and expect to be recompensed for that, too. Whether he goes on to be some world star or not, is irrelevant - it should be assumed, from their POV. If they're shrewd, they'll want all sorts written into his sale add-ons - him hitting certain milestones at United, for example.

All things considered, he is priced in accordance with the current markets and strategical signatures bigger clubs are trying to employ.
 
Fortitude said:
He's the jewel in Birmingham City's crown - a club that never has stellar talent and have their own aspirations of promotion. The notion we can get him for a pittance is delusional at best, and arrogance at worst.

Birmingham should be trying to drag us over coals for his signature, and rightly so.

Birmingham should also be stating exponential growth and potential of a 16-year old and expect to be recompensed for that, too. Whether he goes on to be some world star or not, is irrelevant - it should be assumed, from their POV. If they're shrewd, they'll want all sorts written into his sale add-ons - him hitting certain milestones at United, for example.

All things considered, he is priced in accordance with the current markets and strategical signatures bigger clubs are trying to employ.
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I'm literally talking about the inflation in transfer fees to explain it's not as high a fee as it sounds in some ways. Not saying we should only offer that...
 
Rozay said:
Any decent club thinks beyond the next 10 games when buying assets.
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Out club needs to invest VERY HEAVILY in the first team now. We’ve just had a game vs Liverpool, they are simply miles ahead squad-wise. So are City.

As such, what we need is to buy players who may improve us now. And these players may cost quite a lot of money
 
I'm sure he's a good prospect but this doesn't seem sensible.

£30m for a 16 year old in his first season in the championship when we have many holes in the first 11 is not smart. Planning for the future is one thing but we need players who can take us up a few levels in the next 2 windows, it could take years for this kid to be ready.
 
Any Brummie fans on here? I would love to read their views and opinions on the player.

If we can get this done and Bruno too, it’ll be a great January window
 
He is nothing special, for that price you'll get someone better in Brazil.
 
Alemar said:
Out club needs to invest VERY HEAVILY in the first team now. We’ve just had a game vs Liverpool, they are simply miles ahead squad-wise. So are City.

As such, what we need is to buy players who may improve us now. And these players may cost quite a lot of money
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Again, a good club thinks beyond the next 10 games when spending huge money. You mentioning our last match is irrelevant. The picture is so much bigger than that. The club are more concerned with working themselves into a position where they will be better than Liverpool over the next 5-7 years than who wins the next match.

Any players we buy now will be in keeping with this vision. We may do short term loan deals, or buy a player occasionally to help those players develop, but the mission is always the same.

Anyone who thinks the way to react to the Liverpool loss is just to INVEST HEAVILY NOW has missed the irony of just how Liverpool became better than us in the first place. They set a plan, it took them 3 years, and they worked towards it. In that time, they have lost games to us.
 
SATA said:
Any Brummie fans on here? I would love to read their views and opinions on the player.

If we can get this done and Bruno too, it’ll be a great January window
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this is what hes been up to. I know its a showreel but i like the desire he shows and also how hes not a one dimensional player - you see him dribble, create, win the ball, track back, tackle, work passes in tight spaces, score. Looks a hell of a prospect and bear in mind hes playing against players much more experienced here its not youth games
 
Rozay said:
Again, a good club thinks beyond the next 10 games when spending huge money. You mentioning our last match is irrelevant. The picture is so much bigger than that. The club are more concerned with working themselves into a position where they will be better than Liverpool over the next 5-7 years than who wins the next match.

Any players we buy now will be in keeping with this vision. We may do short term loan deals, or buy a player occasionally to help those players develop, but the mission is always the same.

Anyone who thinks the way to react to the Liverpool loss is just to INVEST HEAVILY NOW has missed the irony of just how Liverpool became better than us in the first place. They set a plan, it took them 3 years, and they worked towards it. In that time, they have lost games to us.
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Spot on, Rozay. It's actually the first time in a while I've had a bit of faith in our recruitment process. We have seem to have a plan that will actually last beyond just one manager and the recruitment philosiphy we've adoped over the last year backs that up. The Fernandes deal reflects that to an extent, it seems to have hit an impasse related to a difference in valuation, for a start it's good that we're not willing to be taken for a ride anymore with fees and secondly, to me that indicates we've got a higher priority target who's attainable in summer who fits our new philosiphy better than Fernandes does.

Bellingham may seem pricy now but the club seem to rate his potential high enough to warrant spending in excess of £30m on, we'd be moaning if 4 years down the line he developed as we predicted and he cost over £100m, I think it's smart to go for them when they're young before their valuation explodes.
 
AltiUn said:
Spot on, Rozay. It's actually the first time in a while I've had a bit of faith in our recruitment process. We have seem to have a plan that will actually last beyond just one manager and the recruitment philosiphy we've adoped over the last year backs that up. The Fernandes deal reflects that to an extent, it seems to have hit an impasse related to a difference in valuation, for a start it's good that we're not willing to be taken for a ride anymore with fees and secondly, to me that indicates we've got a higher priority target who's attainable in summer who fits our new philosiphy better than Fernandes does.

Bellingham may seem pricy now but the club seem to rate his potential high enough to warrant spending in excess of £30m on, we'd be moaning if 4 years down the line he developed as we predicted and he cost over £100m, I think it's smart to go for them when they're young before their valuation explodes.
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i think everyone thinks he is being signed as an U23 player - would we really send Mike Phelan to watch him in person and then bid 30m for an U23 team player? If we are signing him it must be for the 1st team squad
 
Hawks2008 said:
I'm sure he's a good prospect but this doesn't seem sensible.

£30m for a 16 year old in his first season in the championship when we have many holes in the first 11 is not smart. Planning for the future is one thing but we need players who can take us up a few levels in the next 2 windows, it could take years for this kid to be ready.
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Judgement is dependent on our other business I'd say. If it's lined up for the summer with Bruno already in this window and 3 or 4 other signings during the summer then great.

If it's him, bruno as our Pogba replacement plus one other 30 million signing then we're in trouble.

I won't have it that there's no reason to panic though especially after all the claims last summer but time will tell.
 
Rozay said:
Again, a good club thinks beyond the next 10 games when spending huge money. You mentioning our last match is irrelevant. The picture is so much bigger than that. The club are more concerned with working themselves into a position where they will be better than Liverpool over the next 5-7 years than who wins the next match.

Any players we buy now will be in keeping with this vision. We may do short term loan deals, or buy a player occasionally to help those players develop, but the mission is always the same.

Anyone who thinks the way to react to the Liverpool loss is just to INVEST HEAVILY NOW has missed the irony of just how Liverpool became better than us in the first place. They set a plan, it took them 3 years, and they worked towards it. In that time, they have lost games to us.
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Bloody hell, spot on lad.
 
E-mal said:
He is nothing special, for that price you'll get someone better in Brazil.
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:lol: classic Caf logic, I wish you were being ironic. If he was Bellinghaminho and you'd never watched a second of him play, apart from a 2 minute Youtube vid "DADDY DADDY WANT WANT WANT". Typical.
 
Jezpeza said:
i think everyone thinks he is being signed as an U23 player - would we really send Mike Phelan to watch him in person and then bid 30m for an U23 team player? If we are signing him it must be for the 1st team squad
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I think we’ll loan him back, personally. Then let him develop with Birmingham for a bit, either way I can’t see him going into the U23 team.
 
AltiUn said:
I think we’ll loan him back, personally. Then let him develop with Birmingham for a bit, either way I can’t see him going into the U23 team.
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Yep I think so too. At least a 6 month loan back there, and then have him with us over the summer and see how things going for him in pre-season. Then probably back there on loan again.
 
AltiUn said:
I think we’ll loan him back, personally. Then let him develop with Birmingham for a bit, either way I can’t see him going into the U23 team.
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possibly. he wont leave Brum for the tribunal fee. Hes not allowed to sign a pro contract til 17 either. Interesting logistics. You can pay whatever fee for a scholar though so perhaps we agree the fee now he stays there on loan for rest of season then comes here and signs the pro contract
 
Judas said:
:lol: classic Caf logic, I wish you were being ironic. If he was Bellinghaminho and you'd never watched a second of him play, apart from a 2 minute Youtube vid "DADDY DADDY WANT WANT WANT". Typical.
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“Brexit FC” incoming
 
AltiUn said:
I think we’ll loan him back, personally. Then let him develop with Birmingham for a bit, either way I can’t see him going into the U23 team.
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Judas said:
Yep I think so too. At least a 6 month loan back there, and then have him with us over the summer and see how things going for him in pre-season. Then probably back there on loan again.
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We can't loan out under 18's.
 
Rozay said:
Again, a good club thinks beyond the next 10 games when spending huge money. You mentioning our last match is irrelevant. The picture is so much bigger than that. The club are more concerned with working themselves into a position where they will be better than Liverpool over the next 5-7 years than who wins the next match.

Any players we buy now will be in keeping with this vision. We may do short term loan deals, or buy a player occasionally to help those players develop, but the mission is always the same.

Anyone who thinks the way to react to the Liverpool loss is just to INVEST HEAVILY NOW has missed the irony of just how Liverpool became better than us in the first place. They set a plan, it took them 3 years, and they worked towards it. In that time, they have lost games to us.
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I agree that a good club should have a long term strategy but the incompetence the club is showing is reaching new heights for me. There are massive holes within the midfield and choosing to address them by signing a 16 year old who has had a few good games in the championship is astonishing.

I am in no way against this signing at all but unfortunately I know that this will not be a signing for the long term. We will place Bellingham straight into the team and have unrealistic expectations from him. That is immense pressure to put on a 16 year old. If we had a team that had strength in depth (Liverpool, City, Real) than this would be the perfect signing. You could slowly imbed him into the team without placing him under immense pressure and scrutiny.

There are numerous attainable targets out there who are young and should get better with age. Soumare, Zakaria, Van De Beek (maybe in summer), Florian Grillitsch and Lobotka (went to Napoli but would have been a very good option) are all young, attainable and have great potential. They could all come into the side now and make a difference.

I reiterate that I have no issue with signing Bellingham but have a major issue with the strategy behind the signing. I think we desperately need two young CM's who could immediately make a difference but it seems like we are going to buy a 16 year old boy from the championship and expect him to fix our midfield straight away. The club has been one of the worst run in regards to the transfers and there desperately needs to be a change of leadership.
 
Well they could still already agree a transfer for the summer right? Isn't that what Real has done with their Brazilian kids?

I'd want him to finish the season with Birmingham anyway, makes way more sense than having him in the U18/23 setup.
 
Rozay said:
Again, a good club thinks beyond the next 10 games when spending huge money. You mentioning our last match is irrelevant. The picture is so much bigger than that. The club are more concerned with working themselves into a position where they will be better than Liverpool over the next 5-7 years than who wins the next match.

Any players we buy now will be in keeping with this vision. We may do short term loan deals, or buy a player occasionally to help those players develop, but the mission is always the same.

Anyone who thinks the way to react to the Liverpool loss is just to INVEST HEAVILY NOW has missed the irony of just how Liverpool became better than us in the first place. They set a plan, it took them 3 years, and they worked towards it. In that time, they have lost games to us.
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AltiUn said:
Spot on, Rozay. It's actually the first time in a while I've had a bit of faith in our recruitment process. We have seem to have a plan that will actually last beyond just one manager and the recruitment philosiphy we've adoped over the last year backs that up. The Fernandes deal reflects that to an extent, it seems to have hit an impasse related to a difference in valuation, for a start it's good that we're not willing to be taken for a ride anymore with fees and secondly, to me that indicates we've got a higher priority target who's attainable in summer who fits our new philosiphy better than Fernandes does.

Bellingham may seem pricy now but the club seem to rate his potential high enough to warrant spending in excess of £30m on, we'd be moaning if 4 years down the line he developed as we predicted and he cost over £100m, I think it's smart to go for them when they're young before their valuation explodes.
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Great posts.

I don't think Ole will be here much longer (gone in the summer IMO), but we are at least on the right track in regards to shifting deadwood and integrating youth. I hope we thicken out the squad and get in an attacking modern manager in the summer (please no more Moyes, LVG, José dinosaurs)
 
He can play Right Midfielder according to Transfermarkt.

If he can be our Right attacking midfielder, he can go straight into the first team.
 
Bestietom said:
And we could be in a battle to get him.
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Of course. It was just that you responded to a message of a journo saying we believe we are likely to get him by saying other top teams want him too. I mean, that may be true, but if he still suggests he wants to come to us, as implied, then it doesn’t matter much.
 
I do agree with @Rozay his posts that looking forward and setting up a plan for the future and executing that plan is a very good strategy and something that has been lacking.

However this is Manchester United we are talking about. This club should be able to do both. Investments for now but also do investments for the future. It shouldnt be impossible to sign Bruno to get into the team right now and also sign this player for the (near) future. Manchester United is rich and big enough to do both.
 
Judas said:
:lol: classic Caf logic, I wish you were being ironic. If he was Bellinghaminho and you'd never watched a second of him play, apart from a 2 minute Youtube vid "DADDY DADDY WANT WANT WANT". Typical.
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I have no such bias, in fact I like been realistic. I have watched him in the EFL championship and I can honestly say he's nothing special for the price been touted.
I am one of those that prefer Grealish over Bruno
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Rozay said:
Of course. It was just that you responded to a message of a journo saying we believe we are likely to get him by saying other top teams want him too. I mean, that may be true, but if he still suggests he wants to come to us, as implied, then it doesn’t matter much.
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That's true, if he really said that. But his head can be turned, right.
 
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