A rare off day for him in this season. Simple. Need to have more faith in Juan.
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Like Pogba had a nightmare last week Juan had one this week. It happens. Shame for him as it will probably mean another 5-6 games on the bench.
Lost his man for the goal and missed an open net. Game to forget.
He was never good enough for United and proves that every now and then. 2pts lost only because of this con man.
Always good to watch a few posters expose themselves as idiots after a disappointing result. He has scored numerous important goals for us and is consistently one of our best players when he starts but carry on with the 'con man' comments.lol, "a disappointing result"? We will be 14 pts behind Chlesea. Ordinary players like Fellaini, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard are the reason why we are so far behind. Apart from Martial and Rashford, who are still very young, we don't have a single forward who can match the likes of those in Real Madrid and Barcelona.
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We have been out of title race since the 4-0 loss vs Chelsea! And blaming Mata for that is one of the most ridiculous statements
Yeah a disappointing result. The season isn't over and our chances of catching Chelsea were slim no matter the score. Not much point talking to you if you are going to call Mkhitaryan an average player and then place him alongside Lingard and Fellaini as you've either lost the plot or are completely clueless.
BTW there aren't any teams that can match the front three of Barca or Madrid and to expect that to change any time soon will only lead to disappointment so you'd better accept it.
Yes, today did show why he isn't an automatic starter, because he's a liability defensively, amongst other things .
His worst match in a United shirt?
Feel bad for him though, scored a "great" own goal and missed a real sitter in the other end
Feel bad for him though, scored a "great" own goal and missed a real sitter in the other end
He should have come off a lot earlier than he did
Post like this give some insight into how the likes of Trump come into power.
Out of morbid curiosity, I've gone back and checked what you've had to say about him since the beginning of the season, and really you've only piped up on the 3-4 occasions when presumably Mata's had a bad or quiet game. You've been conspicuously quiet when he's chimed in with vital goals. I hate the expression 'agenda' but if one had to find an example of it...
I am shocked he missed that.
Shame, because I think we would have won if he scored it.
Off day for Mata.
Shame, because I think we would have won if he scored it.
Off day for Mata.
Calling him a con man...woah
I definitely have an agenda, I don't think Mata is nowhere good enough to be a starter for United and he should be used as an impact sub at the best.
Especially when he is played out wide he is the most frustrating player to watch, if we had someone like Mane on the right we would be twice as good going forward. Mata slows us down to much, he can't go past players and his defensive contributions are abysmal.
He should be used as a back up for Mkhitaryan or an impact sub when we are chasing games much similar to the role Rooney has had this season.
Honestly, you are a moron.
A big miss in hindsight. He scores, we win that game.
Can't be bothered other than to say I disagree (although I'll admit he's far more effective playing through the middle, which is where I'd have played him today.)
Mourinho already exposed him. He's never ever going to be a constant starter for us here, and the fact we still have fans who think he should be first team is mind-boggling considering what he's offered in the last few seasons, but he's a very useful squad player to have. His finishing is world class and his link-up play is very good, but he's lacking in key areas. Which I can't be bothered getting into. Overall he's a solid 7/10 season, with the Burnley game at home being his best performance. I'd also argue that it's one of his best performances ever for us, too. His link-up play in that game was unreal.
Great player who this season is allowed an off day. Yep he has his limitations but as already said, so does everyone. Mata would play 10 all day long in my team....
We should be good enough to overcome the mistakes of one player. Yes, he was at fault, but we need to do better.
Which team? A 5-a-side one? Or a Sunday League football team?
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Can't understand why the negative opinions have to be extreme every time a player has a poor game. He was shite against Stoke, but is more than good enough for us and is having a very good season.
One game doesn't erase the past nor his qualities as a footballer. It just isn't a very good idea to play him at physical teams like Stoke as he gets brushed off the ball with ease and doesn't have the pace to recover.
One game doesn't erase the past nor his qualities as a footballer. It just isn't a very good idea to play him at physical teams like Stoke as he gets brushed off the ball with ease and doesn't have the pace to recover.
Exactly. We still had 70 minutes to score two goals and we failed.
Mata was poor but he's been one of our best attackers this season.
Which is embarassing considering he has like 5 goals.
Get out.Some sense finally
Off day for him but he's still a good player. The one thing is it has to be him or Mhiki starting not both. Both like to cut inside and it's very easy to defend against especially when one of the full backs is under instruction to be sensible pushing forward. We basically gave up the whole left side.
Premier league season is indeed over for us. If we cannot compete for the league title, there's no point in assuming our league season is still alive. I don't want United to think being 4th is another title like Arsenal or Spurs or LFC do, that's a loser's attitude. I'm a SAF disciple and for me, not competing for the title is an utterly disgraceful failure. I'm willing to be disappointed than accepting it, only losers can find solace at accepting mediocrity.
What exactly has Mkhitaryan done in his career that makes him anything better than average? He was playing for a Dortmund side who were million miles behind Bayern in Bundesliga and did nothing in Europe. Just doing some fancy stuff with the ball with little to no end product doesn't make him a better than an average player.
The same can be said about Mata. He failed at Madrid, never won a league at Valencia, was million miles away from winning the league with Chelsea, luckily was part of winning UCL with Chelsea but it was mainly down to their defense and players like Lampard and Drogba. Mata was nowhere to be seen in the final, he was like a ghost there(He may have taken the corner from which Drogba scored, but it was more down to Drogba's sheer ability than Mata's cross). Despite playing almost all his career as one of front 3 or second striker he only scores 1 in four matches and rarely produces assists. I'm sorry he just does not meet my standards.
Unless Mkhi and Mata can make us league champions by playing a major role, they will remain ordinary players to me.
He is a con man. He was rejected by Real Madrid and Chelsea, yet gets 150K a week for scoring sporadically once or twice and doing almost next to nothing else in between. Those fancy touches cannot deceive me into thinking he is great. He is as inconsistent as it comes.
Stop insulting me. I provided my arguments for why I consider him as not being good enough. I'd like your rebuttal of my arguments.
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Your a moron you do realise Dortmund are struggling right now where they would be begging Mkhitaryan to come back? He was their best player last season, in a team that finished 2nd, much better than us, and racked up a load of goals and assists because he was adapted to the team. Your an absolute idiot if you think he's average.
The league isn't the same as it used to be. How can it be an utter failure for us not to be 1st? Are you for fecking real. Do you literally expect the team to win? It's not that easy pal, you give a lot United fans a bad name with your attitude.
I don't understand why you have to personally attack me by calling things like "Moron" & "idiot". We have different perspective and we can always disagree respectfully. Just because I always seek to be the best does not mean I'm harming anybody or disrespecting anybody.
Ask the likes of Gary Neville, whether they think Mata or Mkhitaryan has achieved anything to be termed as really good players. Hell, he doesn't even consider Sanchez and Özil that great players because they are not winning the league. Mkhitaryan might be good enough for Dortmund but not for United. Being 2nd in the Bundesliga is no biggie at all.
No matter what the state of the league, my belief is that United should and must always compete with the ultimate best, ALA Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Anything below is a failure to me.
I'm sorry for everyone for having such extreme standard, but that's the way I'm. I'm happy to disagree with you all.
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He just doesn't fit in a 4-3-3. Mata is a 10, not a winger. I honestly doubt he will be a regular starter for the remainder of the season. I can see Jose using him as an impact sub and then selling him in the summer. He sold Mata when he was at Chelsea too. Mata is a great player, just not a Mourinho type of player.
@unimaginative_name The problem is your standard. Anyone who is not worthy of Real or Bayern is average. Basically you have a top 5 player in a position and then jump to average. Which results in calling the best player from Germany last season average instead of good or saying sanchez is average because his team mates are not good enough for him to win the league.
Con man?
Saying that Mata was lucky to be part of the Chelsea team, despite being their player of the season twice in a row, is just moronic; hardly an argument. Calling him a con man just adds a Trumpian-glaze of silliness to a set of already idiotic claims.
When in transition, you need to learn to lower your expectations.
Where do I start!
Mkhi is the reigning BuLi player of the year! And not winning the league is not exactly something you can hold against him. They were competing against one of the finest club sides of our era.
" was luckily a part of Chelsea side that won UCL"- what are you high on! He was their player of the season that year, and even the following season when they won the europa league. Was part of one of the finest International sides ever that won WC and Euros!
And while we are at it- if you are comparing the goal scoring ratios of CAMs-
Silva 1 goal in 5.5 games
Ozil 1 in 6
Zidane 1 in 5.5
Sneijder 1 in 4
His goal scoring ratio will go down as one of the finest among pure attacking Midfielders.
Going by your logic, Griezmann has never won the league as well. He's average as well right?
Dave wasn't instrumental in the season we won the league. In his best seasons we finished 7th, 4th and 5th. Ordinary GK right?
You've had a lot of grief for these comments but I tend to agree with the bulk, not all, of what you say.
Certainly agree on Mata, he is incapable of imposing himself on a game and is simply a poor mans David Silva. I can't get over how a grown man can be so weak on the ball and for a creative midfielder, how he can produce so little and always plays the easy pass. Sure he pops up with the odd goal or assist but so would any one playing in that position for a top side.
Not sure I agree on Miki, he hasn't set things alight as yet but he's shown some quality pieces of play and really does look the real deal in my view, however we've yet to really see this produce a consistent outcome as yet.
Lol, wrong on so many levels.
Also, Mkhitaryan doesn't do anything other than a few nice touches? Scored or assisted 49 goals last season alone and that was once every 89 minutes on average.
No end product indeed.
You talk nonsense.
Guys can you keep away from the insults, even if you happen to think he's completely wrong. Ta.
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