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Again scoring because of his work rate, enjoying the irony
He puts in the numbers, he has done so consistently since he came. Also good movement and some tidy passing. His lay-off to Rooney showed good vision and composure.Deserves zero credit for what he did with the ball for the goal, he got a 1v1 gifted to him, messed it up, and then got an empty net gifted to him
But good work rate, and safe on the ball otherwise so 6/10 overall.
He puts in the numbers, he has done so consistently since he came. Also good movement and some tidy passing. His lay-off to Rooney showed good vision and composure.
Great player. Still thinks he belongs in the starting XI, in Rooney's spot with Henrikh on the right.
Because they have black, loveless hearts.Mata really seems to love playing for United, scores lots of goals and works his balls off in every game. Some dont want him to start every match - fair enough. But i dont understand why some United fans outright dislike Mata
Mata really seems to love playing for United, scores lots of goals and works his balls off in every game. Some dont want him to start every match - fair enough. But i dont understand why some United fans outright dislike Mata
Looks like it. He looked angry and looked like he would attack Mou after the gameIs he leaving again after being subbed?
Because they have black, loveless hearts.
Spot on. I hope my daughter marries someone like Juan Mata.It's a joke, but it's sort of true. Our meagre three years of mediocrity turned a lot of fans into gibbering darkside cockwombles, unable to appreciate even our better players as up to the halcyon imaginary standards of John O'Shea & Darren Fletcher's nostalgic afterbirth...Juan's association with the post-Fergie era has clearly counted against him. Especially when SAF signed non-entities like Shinji Kagawa can be voted the Caf's 39th favorite player...Because...I dunno....The Japanese really hate Norwich? God knows...
He may not have been the pseudo-Iniesta we hoped for, but anyone pretending he's been a flop, or anything less than decent to quite good in his time here, is talking bollocks. A return of 29 goals (more, in fewer games, than his time at Chelsea) including a brace at Anfield, a winner against City, and a late equaliser in a Cup final, plus more assists than anyone bar Rooney, is a more than respectable return for a two and a half season shift in an unexceptional team. Not enough to be the linchpin in a world class side, sure...but more than enough to've made cult heroes of far lesser SAF-era players. Back when fans were allowed to like people, and our hated "average" benchwarmers where mid-table English hoofers, rather than silky Spanish playmakers.
Back when fans were allowed to like people, and our hated "average" benchwarmers where mid-table English hoofers, rather than silky Spanish playmakers.
The most important thing is that he is there at decisive moments of the game be it assisting or scoring goals, for example his back heel pass to Valencia was critical in making Rooney's goal possible.Played well today, problem is he goes missing in large parts of a game and just isn't good enough to dictate a game.
Whilst I love him scoring and having it rubbed in my face, he's just not good enough for us if we want to be the best in Europe.
Lovely chap too.
Can't really think about a time when he really went missing, unless it was when his movement left space for Valencia to storm down the right. A lot of fans really just don't seem to get Mata; some of his best work is done without the ball, when he makes space for other players. And by the way, he was neither required nor expected to dictate the game today, that was Hererra's job (a clue, Mata played on the RW, Hererra played in central midfield). He doesn't have to have been involved in everything to have had a good game, or done the job that the manager wanted him to do. Frankly, I like the idea that his positioning and movement on the right might continue to free up an increasingly rejuvenated Valencia.Played well today, problem is he goes missing in large parts of a game and just isn't good enough to dictate a game.
Whilst I love him scoring and having it rubbed in my face, he's just not good enough for us if we want to be the best in Europe.
Lovely chap too.
Can't really think about a time when he really went missing, unless it was when his movement left space for Valencia to storm down the right. A lot of fans really just don't seem to get Mata; some of his best work is done without the ball, when he makes space for other players. And by the way, he was neither required nor expected to dictate the game today, that was Hererra's job (a clue, Mata played on the RW, Hererra played in central midfield). He doesn't have to have been involved in everything to have had a good game, or done the job that the manager wanted him to do. Frankly, I like the idea that his positioning and movement on the right might continue to free up an increasingly rejuvenated Valencia.
Your post basically says he should get out of the way to allow more space for Valencia, which is ridiculous when you think about it really.
He'll do a job and probably pop up with the odd goal and assist, but he's not good enough in that role, in my view.
No he didn't. He drags defenders inside, opening up space for others, which will make sense if you've ever played any football. Mata does his best inside anyway, he gets on the ball, either keeping possession or trying to make something happen. It's not like he goes into hiding.
Well if a player is popping up with goals and assists (and other things that you don't seem to appreciate) what exactly do you want?
The problem is if he constantly comes inside, which he does, it narrows the play and makes it far easier to defend against, hence why he's a no 10 and not a RW.
Your last para is silly, of course we all want to see the odd goal and assist from a forward facing player, but we also need a greater and wider contribution.
Both these points I'm sure you're aware of due to your extensive playing experience
Lots of teams have LW/RWs who constantly cut inside. It's a perfectly normal way to set up a team, one that has advantages and disadvantages like every other set up. You'd swear the notion of having a #10 type player drifting in from the wings was a crazy flaw that must be eradicated.