They do, yeah. Check the OP for any of the Transfer Tweets threads. They include a link to the Caf tier list.
Journalist Credibility- Steinberg Hall of Shame
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Man Utd have said nothing about ETH leaving or staying. The only official feedback is from ETH who has always said he already talked to the board and he is staying. The whole thing from sacking, to reviews, to interviewing managers, to staying is probably all bullsht. Or 90 percent bull at least.
Again. It wasn’t literal, it was just an exaggerated slight on the lack of quality (v the tins of rubbish)
What ones mate? Because no, I probably haven’t. I know of him almost exclusively through the football lens.
I’ve got no idea how people let his stuff slide because apparently “he’s good” or The Guardian “are trusted”.
(1) He out and out made up crap on the eve of the cup final (2) his comments on Mainoo were garbage (as United fans, yes we’re more touchy about it) (3) his historic posts are vile.
Hes a dick and blocks everyone who points it out. “Free speech” my arse.
Oh I’m not supporting what he did.
I’m arguing against the OP suggestion that a journalist gets blackballed off the back of a shitty article.
It smacks of the ‘all politicians are the same’ line. Yes, they may be slippery on detail. But some lie and some avoid lying. Suggesting the two are the same is toxic to discourse.
The journo in question has some bombproof credentials and he wrote a poorly timed article. I haven’t seen enough to say he made it up though.
I think the fella you’re replying to is talking to something I may have seen, outside of football content. See my reply. I wasn’t defending something I haven’t seen.
I'm happy enough to give some respect and credit to good football journalists. I just dont think a good football journalist writes the pieces Steinberg has in recent weeks or is writing the kind of rumour mongering speculative crap that produces them. That side of football journalism can go in the bin and I'm happy enough for those who produce it to get a taste of their own medicine sometimes. They're happy enough to drop that kind of crap and abuse on Saka maybe it'll teach them some emphaty.
Yeah I think maybe I’m blind to some of his content. What has he said about Saka?
100% this. If you look at it, other press basically jumped on the Steinberg news when that went viral so as not to miss out on the action. All that actually happened is ETH had his debrief with Wilcox and went on holiday and then planned to return as usual.
All the recent ‘meetings’ seem to stem from absolutely random journos but they get immediately retweeted by aggregators and bots so it just looks legit if everyone is saying it.
The Tuchel Monaco meeting was reported by Falk who is unreliable as sin, the McKenna one was purely ambiguous and Sky just said they’d learned his reps met United, Ornstein (who is generally seen as reliable) then said Poch met Ineos about the Nice vacancy, Ducker reported the Frank one (again usually reliable) so the last likely alternate manager meeting was on the day of the FA cup final (and with Frank I think you can also speculate if that was for Nice given his profile isn’t the highest). ETH would have known after the game if he was staying or going, Ineos would also have known and then they just continued as normal whilst a tornado of click bait enveloped us for a few weeks.
He hasn't, its unrelated. Just feels like the same kind of gutter press.
That’s my point. Politically I disagree with the guy. On football matters he’s not ‘gutter press’.
I don’t like this City-esque approach of ‘Good football journo said bad thing so he is now the enemy’.
Announcing ten hag's imminent sacking a day before the final was definitely gutter press. I dont follow the guy specifically or even particularly remember any one article. I do remember thinking he's not worth reading and a bit of a hack. Its hard to tell which is worse between him and Jamie Jackson which is a hopeless standard.
That is still the first option. He chose to trust that source in that case and he chose to both publish that as an exclusive and chose to do it right before the final surely knowing that this was going to cause a big reaction.
Obviously we will never know his exact reasoning, but in all those cases it is still at the very best incredibly lazy journalism and at worst indykaila level bullshittery and it should be called out as such.
I actually thought about making a journalist transfer BS PL table app a few years back where you create a league table of journalists transfer stories throughout the year and award them points based on their transfer rumour predictions.
I actually felt quite proud of our online fanbase for holding him accountable after the way he went for Mainoo. Too often we see Liverpool and Arsenal fans circle the wagon and defend their own players, but less so with United fans as we can't agree on almost anything
but we all agree that Mainoo is mint, so maybe next time ABU pundits like him will think twice about unnecessarily digging out a 19 year old United star.Just no.
The release of the article was an editorial decision. I trust The Guardian editors and it soured my view of them. But the guy isn’t a hack.
I really don't buy that, we all know united are a leaky club and given the club was already making moves to talk to managers its really easy to imagine him being informed of that.
The reaction of some on here to that story really is hysterical. It's like with any mildly critical articles re ten hag, there is a group on here and social media that lose their rag and claim there is some sort of media conspiracy against him
Then its a bad week and life will go on. He'll take an overdue look at his social media accounts, be more discerning with sources and get on with things.
I think the difference with this one is the gall to release that specific headline on the eve of the FA cup final and the added angle of him being a Chelsea journo with the financial implications of us winning on an already tense FFP situation. You’d better be absolutely sure your source is ironclad to do that or, which I think is the case, be simply looking to put something out that is picked up by a huge and generally disgruntled fan base and gets you loads of attention. The fact it was wrong reflects incredibly poorly on him and then I guess someone went and found out he was a horrible bloke as well with old tweets which has now battered him, not the ten hag headline.
Great idea mate... What a fantastic forum we'd have if nobody made threads.
What age is this bloke?
The screenshots I've seen are from 2006/2007. That's 17/18 years ago.
Others heard similar. A lot of people had different pieces of the info and they were all saying it looked like ETH was going. Everything pointed to that. Even people who were ETH in.
INEOS changed their mind is it basically. Though it wasn't 100% he's going to be sacked.
Steinberg's problem, other than him basically wishing for a genocide, is that he went with it when others sat on it because it wasn't certain.
Agreed there. He should not have went so hard with it.
ABU piece of shit! Kobbie was Englands best player when he was on the pitch but this cnut still has a dig at him and done him dirty in the ratings. Sorry excuse for a Journalist.