Reddit has its tier system for journos, does the caf not have the same?
Journalist Credibility- Steinberg Hall of Shame
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If you prefer to believe that, good on you. A Guardian journalist does not invent stuff out of nowhere.
He either got it very wrong/guessed/whatever.
Or the cup final changed minds at INEOS.
Or the cup final changed minds at INEOS.
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Erm.. no one was getting told what was happening. The fact that he said regardless of what happens in the final meant the decision was made... clearly it wasn't.
The club have stopped these leaks and chancers like him thought they jump the gun.
I don’t want to generalise or go too far here but I think anyone who fixates on or ranks journalists or takes these tier systems seriously is, at best, a massive paedophile, who should be locked in one of those faulty submarines that implodes near the Titanic.
His source was wrong and the journalist pays the cost with his credibility.
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Yeah, but it’s only internet virgins keeping the ledger, so I suspect he’ll survive.
Survive sure, thrive probably not.
Does Steinberg still have a job? I thought twitter had dug up a load of old racist, bigoted - injury and cancer wishing tweets from his younger days after he went off on Mainoo last week?
Surely the Guardian of all papers aren't sticking with him after that?
Surely the Guardian of all papers aren't sticking with him after that?
Exactly.
This is the drawback of journalism that relies 99% on a source telling you stuff.
That’s the name of game. Don’t journalists typically have multiple sources anyway, so they can double and triple check information before they’re publish something. It seems kinda risky to stake your reputation on a single source, regardless of how reliable that source has been to you over the years.
Think it was basically based off his info from Chelsea that United were taking to McKenna. Then he went early thinking it meant United were interviewing other managers
Well, we were. Maybe he did read it wrong, thinking it meant ETH was definitely off.
So many of them have been shown to be wrong, but I doubt there will be any humility. They will carry on as if nothing has happened and expect to be treated as if they are credible.
I don't think he guessed. Decisions are made by humans, and humans can change their minds. I think he heard something and rather than sit on it, decided to report it even though it could've been disruptive. Personally, I'd rather reporters report everything they hear. All this backlash because he failed to predict the future is embarrassing.
Martin Samuel.
I don't think you've thought that through. Just a minute should help you think of how that's a terrible idea
Depends on how you read it. We're talking about credible sources.
Agreed. That is their job. Being disruptive should not be an issue to them.
Fergie dropped Leighton knowing it can be disastrous to his career. But he did it because it was the right decision for United.
I'm sure he meant everything they hear and has substance to it...
DiMarzio is now complete shit tier for any sort of reporting on us as well.
Jamie Jackson embarrassed himself as well.
Acted as if he was in the know, said an announcement was incoming last week. Posted an hour glass GIF.
It was so transparent that he was just giving it a whirl to see if he accidentally got it right and didn't give a shit if he didn't.
Romano trying to act like he had stuff worth saying was funny too. Just nothing tweets and statements where he covered all bases.
A lot of journos made an eejit of themselves.
Acted as if he was in the know, said an announcement was incoming last week. Posted an hour glass GIF.
It was so transparent that he was just giving it a whirl to see if he accidentally got it right and didn't give a shit if he didn't.
Romano trying to act like he had stuff worth saying was funny too. Just nothing tweets and statements where he covered all bases.
A lot of journos made an eejit of themselves.
Because he got one wrong?
Yeah that’s what I was trying to say but didn’t word myself very well
He has been consistently wrong about us for a while now, this was just the icing.
Mark Ogden is another clown who acts like he has inside info. He still thinks Southgate is INEOS' number 1 choice, only not given the job due to Euros and if things go wrong next season, he'll replace ten Hag. Just a couple of weeks ago, he said "he’s definitely not going to be there next season" about ten Hag.
I'm not thrilled with the decision to keep Erik, but how I'd love to see us getting our shit together next season and see the rage of some of ABU idiots in the media. Some of them are already furious we didn't sack ten Hag and hire feckin Southgate.
I'm not thrilled with the decision to keep Erik, but how I'd love to see us getting our shit together next season and see the rage of some of ABU idiots in the media. Some of them are already furious we didn't sack ten Hag and hire feckin Southgate.
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He’s a really good journalist, writes fantastically and isn’t sensationalist at all. Plus, he works at The Guardian. They are the high watermark, and rightly so.
At worst, he trusted a source he shouldn’t have.
This site would do well to not start agendas against journalists at one of the only reputable media entities we have. It’s very silly.
At worst, he trusted a source he shouldn’t have.
This site would do well to not start agendas against journalists at one of the only reputable media entities we have. It’s very silly.
At best, he trusted a source he shouldn't have.
At worst, he fabricated a story and timed its release at a point he knew it was going to create maximum outrage and possibly get a reaction from people involved.
Who’s Steinberg?
y’all are too obsessed with these individual journalists man. Let what happens happen man.
Sometimes its wrong sometimes right thats life.
y’all are too obsessed with these individual journalists man. Let what happens happen man.
Sometimes its wrong sometimes right thats life.
Genuinely overly kind to those type of people.
David Conn, especially for his stuff about CityDavid Ornstein, and….. …..
That's not a bad outlook to have but 'obsessed' is a strong word. The amount of criticism or 'effort' that people are having against this journalist is no different that your average Caf post or social media phone twiddling. It's just words on the internet.
I wouldn't personally partake in it but I have no problem with people who choose to call it out because it's perfectly entitled imo. In some way in my mind, it probably 'helps' the club to let the media know that Utd fans/the club don't take lightly to the amount of ABU stuff/poor takes we've seen over the years.
I think it was a switch frontside 540.
There’s also a third way which is quite Machiavellian.
A source gave him info to write a piece that would allow them to judge the mood of the fans before and after the final.
That’s all a little conspiratorial, but Steinberg has solid credentials and (at least on the Guardian podcast) seems to be very well measured and not an attention seeking prick.
I trust The Guardian, and those under their employ.
I also say this about someone who has an *almost* polar opposite idea of Israel-Palestine right now.
In the football realm he’s always been level headed and calm. I do t think we should be running those voices out of town. I’d be amazed if his source wasn’t solid. That the source info didn’t play out is for his professional career to bear. But I wouldn’t attribute malice or agenda to it.
Absolutely my favorite outcome out of all this. Ornstein joked that he gives up predicting what United will do, before throwing a side comment about maybe United themselves not knowing what to do.
United did in fact know what they wanted to do, and we need to get back to when there were minimal to no leaks under Ferguson. And yes that first starts with our most trusted journalists, just sending the general message that those days are gone, and like Steinberg, you risk being exposed massively if you are going to listen to previously trusted sources. I also have a feeling the last couple of weeks will have helped INEOS know details about possible leaks and the sources and about the behaviour of the sources, journalists and newspaper coverage around United.
But even with a solid source, there is just no way that was the only way to report it. He reported it as solid fact - and while obviously editors oversee things, he could have written it with even a fraction of doubt. The way it is presented is so utterly confident that it almost suggests a direct briefing from club. There are endless ways he still could have had an impactful piece, without such certainty, and the timing of the release of it in the context of its certainty is suspect at best. This wasn't a transfer rumour, this was an unusually brutal and cold public sacking of a man before a cup final.
Did you not read those historic tweets? I don't care how long ago it was, someone who says that stuff should never be tolerated or trusted, ever. He's a racist, homophobic prick