Journalist Credibility- Steinberg Hall of Shame

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Similar to the ranking system in the transfer thread, do we have any tiers for general credibility.

Steinbergs article before the cup final felt malicious at the time, and now, quite simply looks like one of the all time career-ruining pieces from a sports journalist. He isnt writing for a tabloid- he wrote this piece, guaranteeing Ten Hag's sacking, for a reputable broadsheet. Now where is the accountability. He wasn't the only one. There was a countless list of 'alternative media' try-hards, claiming to have the inside track but they have been proven to be doing nothing but punting on the most likely outcome.

It might be useful to have a sort of hall of shame. This was such a huge topic- it wasn't transfer news which is fast changing and open to some degree of speculation. In most other jobs you'd have some accountability for such brutal work.

Steinberg certainly looks the most idiotic. He would be hard pressed to explain that his intention was anything but chaos and upheaval and his basic integrity as a journalist can be doubted in light of the certainty that was shared. It was publicly humiliating to Ten Hag and no doubt distracting to players on the way to a cup final.

As a reminder, this was the opening to his sensationalist piece, that conveniently boosted his own name recognition:

'Manchester United have decided to sack Erik ten Hag after the FA Cup final against Manchester City.

In an echo of United parting company with Louis van Gaal despite winning the FA Cup in 2016, it is understood that even beating City at Wembley on Saturday will not save Ten Hag.'
 
A jouno hall of shame thread. Brilliant idea.
 
We should have a hall of shame for posters creating threads……

and truly shit reactionary posts when there is a simple option to engage with whatever topics interest you. Read my OP, then read your post. You might not like it, or the subject matter, but only one represents the type of posting that drags the quality of the forum down
 
Would like to think he'll be banned from OT.

Certainly should be for a while.

I dont mean this to seem like a sort of witch hunt, and Im surprised people dont see the extent of the problem. Like I said, this isnt a tabloid and it wasn't a 'speculative' piece. It was a broadsheet, delivering this with absolute certainty on the eve of a cup final.

We all like to talk about media-bias as football fans, but this is the most blatant example Ive seen in over three decades following. And he simply wont have to answer to it.
 
Whether anyone is Ten Hag in or Ten Hag out, the media speculation and witch-hunt by the media has been disgusting.
It is so blatantly anti-United at all costs.
From the BBC asking Ten Hag about his supposed sacking straight after the final whistle of the FA cup final, to all the ridiculous Southgate rumours. All the media want is click bait and the shooting down of United.
 
What a week for him :lol: Some nasty old tweets resurfacing and now being made to look an idiot (whether his info was wrong or the club changed their mind).
 
The Guardian isn't exactly a hotbed of great journalism when it comes to football.
Just a collection of pseuds pontificating.
 
Thing is things change, at the time writing that may of been true, we’ll never know, and that’s why these ‘journalists’ can still operate even after the exact opposite of what they state happens
 
The Guardian loses a lot of reputation and credibility after that article and today's announcement. They'll lose more credibility if they don't sack that scummy sorry excuse of a journalist after ETH's contract extension is announced. They effectively ran a hit job to sabotage our final. ETH shouldn't let them into his pressers.
 
Sid Lowe, James Horncastle, Marcotti, Honigstein.
Yeah, I know there’s a couple, just over exaggeration for - not so - comic effect (I.e. ”they’re so sh!t, there’s only one”).

For some reason, those ⬆️ never/rarely get quoted whereas idiots and Twitter aggregators get quoted every day, and their complete guesses see, to be taken as gospel
 
Great idea! Maybe have the journalists in the OP and the stories they’ve made up next to their name so it is easy for us to remember the lord?
 
His piece at the time of writing was probably true. So much has happened behind the scenes in the last few weeks that I wouldn't be surprised if we have done a total 360 back to EtH.
 
I agree, while some journalists peddle nonsense I think there was a certain degree of credibility given what was happening behind closed doors, but the media jumped the gun and tried to conclude the narrative without waiting for everything to come together.

The club clearly were reaching out to managerial representatives given how accessible that information is from agents, but the media likely got wind of it and then cultivated the idea that this sequence was indicative of the manager being sacked as a certainty.

INEOS are just as culpable for not having come to a definitive decision before the season was finished however, comes across as very reactionary and impulsive which has them in bed with the Glazers when it comes to superseding managerial choices and decisions. They've been diligent with the structure but disconcerted with the coaching situation.

If we are to laugh at media representation in this fiasco then we also have to spare a breath for INEOS too.
 
Ohh just heard. Congrats on keeping your mgr. Since your new owners kept him twisting I suppose the journo’s couldn’t resist speculating on his sacking.
 
I've always wondered why there isn't a 'fact' checking thread, website or some sort for this type of stuff. I mean I know it's meaningless but never underestimate the interwebs and people's willingness to do things.

Anytime someone posts or says one definitive thing, it would be nice to then fact check a few months/year later. Remember that whole Frenkie de Jong saga? The first one 84 years ago. Fun times.
 
The Guardian loses a lot of reputation and credibility after that article and today's announcement. They'll lose more credibility if they don't sack that scummy sorry excuse of a journalist after ETH's contract extension is announced. They effectively ran a hit job to sabotage our final. ETH shouldn't let them into his pressers.
I’d remind him but I’m blocked for some reason :cool:

Seems some journalists only preach free speech when it’s them speaking
 
His piece at the time of writing was probably true. So much has happened behind the scenes in the last few weeks that I wouldn't be surprised if we have done a total 360 back to EtH.
180. The club u-turned back to ETH is what you are saying. Doing 360 means going a circle just to do the same thing which in that case is to eventually sack ETH as reported. Sorry, this 180 360 thing always bug me.
 
180. The club u-turned back to ETH is what you are saying. Doing 360 means going a circle just to do the same thing which in that case is to eventually sack ETH as reported. Sorry, this 180 360 thing always bug me.
No, 360 means to come full circle, Tuchel was 180.
 
I think he caught wind of us approaching other managers and ran with it

I don’t think it’s that bad honestly, the way Ineos have handed this has been highly unusual and most people would assume ETH is done at that point
 
I think he caught wind of us approaching other managers and ran with it

I don’t think it’s that bad honestly, the way Ineos have handed this has been highly unusual and most people would assume ETH is done at that point
Dont really agree. They've been here 6 months, it'd be weird if they didn't consider their options for manager, weirder still considering our season.
I wouldn't want to get into a habit of confirming i'm not sacking a manager every time some hack journalist says he's under pressure. I'd be pretty pissed if he decided that was sufficient confirmation to run a story that im sacking the manager.
 
Dont really agree. They've been here 6 months, it'd be weird if they didn't consider their options for manager, weirder still considering our season.
I wouldn't want to get into a habit of confirming i'm not sacking a manager every time some hack journalist says he's under pressure. I'd be pretty pissed if he decided that was sufficient confirmation to run a story that im sacking the manager.

Well suffice to say I don’t think its weird to consider his position

I think it’s weird to approach other managers with this review on-going. Typically, you’d perform the review and then decide to sack him, then approach others

I’ve never seen anything like that in football before
 
Well suffice to say I don’t think its weird to consider his position

I think it’s weird to approach other managers with this review on-going. Typically, you’d perform the review and then decide to sack him, then approach others

I’ve never seen anything like that in football before
Maybe more clubs should do it the way we did. Realising the alternative is Thomas Frank or someone of that caliber is pretty useful information imo. I find the idea that clubs dont give a call to a couple of agents before sacking a manager kind of unlikely personally.
I'd be more inclined to agree if INEOS hired him anyway. I expect new owners to at the very least consider their options.
 
Maybe more clubs should do it the way we did. Realising the alternative is Thomas Frank or someone of that caliber is pretty useful information imo. I find the idea that clubs dont give a call to a couple of agents before sacking a manager kind of unlikely personally.
I'd be more inclined to agree if INEOS hired him anyway. I expect new owners to at the very least consider their options.

What for?
 
That Norwegian journo also latched onto the tweet and was praising him/echoing that he was sacked.
 
He reported the information he was given and it was probably solid at the time, it seems INEOS have made a complete U-turn. The reaction to this, and him daring to give Mainoo a bad grade in a friendly, has been hysterical and embarrassing.
 
He reported the information he was given and it was probably solid at the time, it seems INEOS have made a complete U-turn. The reaction to this, and him daring to give Mainoo a bad grade in a friendly, has been hysterical and embarrassing.

It seems there is a consistent amount of rage and disappointment and well, they have to aim it somewhere.
 
The insults and targeting this man has got is utterly bizarre.
Agree on this, but he should be called out fairly. That article was malicious, boiled my p1ss as much as Linekar / Shearer did post match. Both made the win much sweeter though, so I guess there’s an upside!

Back to the original topic…

Calling out these grifters (pointing out inaccuracies / fact checking / grading reliability , but definitely not abusing) is, but tiring. I personally just vote with my feet and treat everything with a massive dose of scepticism.

Quite a few folks don’t seem able to though, and this generates a lot of unnecessary noise on the Caf, often drowning out genuine discourse.

A tier system, like the one used for tweets, or even a red, amber, green marker might help quell some of the reactionary noise / angst and make the Caf a nicer place for everyone. Maybe even make some peoples lives a little less stressful :)
 
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He reported the information he was given and it was probably solid at the time, it seems INEOS have made a complete U-turn. The reaction to this, and him daring to give Mainoo a bad grade in a friendly, has been hysterical and embarrassing.
Haha he never got any info. He just knows what sells and went for it.