Get in a 35 year old Mario Gómez and get rid of Kane when he starts complaining about the terrible football.
Get rid young skip and winks and replace them with Fellaini.
They genuinely will be scintillating to watch.
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Get in a 35 year old Mario Gómez and get rid of Kane when he starts complaining about the terrible football.
Get rid young skip and winks and replace them with Fellaini.
They genuinely will be scintillating to watch.
That's literally what half our forum said when people pointed out that our run is unsustainable. You guys, not even on a great run, are overachieving.
Just would make it sweeter when your results regress to the actuals eventually
WhooshIt was sarcasm mate
He's no fan of both Spurs and Mourinho.
Oh man. I just prefer looking at who actually won a match and think that stats telling you who 'should' have won it are utterly irrelevant.
Totally agree mate!
It's actually amazing how your posts are exact copy of Manutd fan posts from 2 years back, I remember making similar post playing down these stats when there were others who said how 2017-18 season is not sustainable and we will drop levels. Well, they were spot on and I was Ostrich back then.
It is weird to see Spurs fans on here who lived through and watched exactly how we acted and what happened with us falling in the exact same trap. It's amazing how Jose still has that way to win people over, for a bit.
I'd like to point out that I have always viewed these kind of stats as pointless and irrelevant - this is nothing to do with Jose but please don't let that take away from your agenda. I've never once viewed them as worth anything. Not sure how much stronger I can put it - I absolutely hate them and always have.
I have to stop myself from pushing the ignore button when I see people discussing these kind of stats as if they are gospel.
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What agenda? Pointing out that so many posters who were good with these stats said 2017-18 wasn't sustainable, stating that is agenda? As they were obviously right. Likewise when people called out Leicester run wasn't sustainable early in the season, which again ended up being truth.
As they say, Ignorance is bliss.
Not a Mourinoh fan despite being Portuguese, as I pointed before. But analyzing NUFC - Spurs by stats is a misleading. Yes, NUFC had more shots and possession but those extra shots were pretty much sterile.
I just detest them - if that makes me ignorant then fair enough I can live with that. I prefer to use my own eyes and my own judgement.
Detest is a very strong word for factual pieces of information. Maybe you are thinking about the fact that sometimes people use them inappropriately?
I just think they are completely pointless - to say a team 'should' have won when they didn't is irrelevant because they didn't win - not only that I can plainly see if a team should have won a game but didn't just by watching the game. I don't need somebody else explaining it to me via stats.
I get that you don't like stats, but how is looking at the quality of chances conceded and quality of chances created part of agenda. All xG numbers are telling is that the chances that you've conceded would in an ideal scenario would have resulted in you conceding a lot more goals.
Some people are just extremely resistant to the idea of using actual numbers to look at performance trends and such. I'll never understand why but each to their own.
Fair enough if you feel you are building something for the future. As a fan we all stay positive and hopeful of good times.
it's just amazing how Chelsea fans warned us and we were ignorant back then, now ManUtd fans warn you guys and you guys took our role.
But it results in stats that have no bearing on what actually happened - who cares about the quality of chances one team had if they fluffed them all and the other team got a lucky shot off and won the game 1-0. If the other team won the game then they deserve it. It is an attempt to take away from the winning team in some way - that is what I hate about it. 'Yes they won but I can prove they didn't deserve it' Feck off they won, they deserved it.
Comforting, at least that's why I ignored and argued when people said we are not 2nd best in 2017-18, I didn't want to believe that as that was not the truth I wanted to hear. Somehow I found reasons to play down this xG thing.
Lessons learnt from that and now I see how good these stats are.
We are allowed to have different opinions on things without making out that somebody is stupid by the way.
Stop making it about Jose - jesus christ. No agenda my arse mate. I'm just talking about dislike of those types of stats yet you are consistently bringing it around to Jose for some reason.
I did the same during Solskjaer's early run when it showed we were significantly overperforming. Then came the crash...
Jose Mourinho thread, stop talking about Jose
If you are so uncomfortable, then maybe you should post in relevant threads instead of crying in Jose thread.
Yeah that one too. Remember that tweet by 'betweenthepost' author saying Ole should quit when results are high as this is not sustainable.
So you don't believe in probabilities?
How are your eyes holding up watching Spurs at the minute ?
Stabbed out, I imagine - I'm getting mine replaced, been on a waiting list since December 2018
Jose Mourinho thread, stop talking about Jose
If you are so uncomfortable, then maybe you should post in relevant threads instead of crying in Jose thread.
No - don't twist it - you are suggesting I dont like these stats because I want to believe we are doing better than we are because I'm trying to exaggerate the impact Jose is having - I've told you repeatedly that I just dont like them and have never liked them and it's nothing to do with Jose.
Getting a bit better - not great but better than what Poch served up since we lost the champions league final anyway.
Fair enough.
Concerning the CL,yeah Liverpool were there for the taking.
Hugely underwhelming and defeatist performance from Spurs,imo.
First half of the season we had awful stats as a team. And look at us now. We are flying. Spurs look pretty shit now but lets wait and see what will happen after transfer window.
I read for months here how Ole needs time, pre-season etc...
People who were saying that (i didn't, i admit) were right about it. But that same people now bashing Mourinho without giving him time to build his team.
I read for months here how Ole needs time, pre-season etc...
People who were saying that (i didn't, i admit) were right about it. But that same people now bashing Mourinho without giving him time to build his team.
Saying Jose team is outperforming the stats model and won't sustain it like how ManUtd didn't is bashing him?
Weird.
No one's taking anything away from the winning team. The metric is just pointing out how your performances were and should that game be played a million times, who the more likely winner is going to be.
Not everytime will you get that lucky shot in, nor would the opposition fluff their sitter on most occasions. And hence, xG metrics play their role.
The difference is that Ole was an unknown quantity while Mourinho's teams have been underperforming for years.
I added same point in my reply and then deleted it. That's spot on. Ole was unknown quantity, so the result was unknown too after the preseason. Jose is known quality and we know what to expect even with many preseasons, especially since 2015.
Again, the xG numbers were literally screaming out that we were underperforming. After 24 games (end of Jan), when we were 14 points behind Leicester, we had scored 6 less goals than the expected number and conceded 4 more goals than the expected number. In absolute terms, we were the 4th best attack and the 2nd best defence going by these numbers. And voila, you could see with introduction of Bruno, we became much more clinical going forward and got a bit more luck as we didn't concede wonder goals on a regular basis
That's not what xG says at all though. Probably the name "expected goals" is misleading. What it's actually illustrating is the number of clear goalscoring opportunities you create. When you just look at it over 2 or 3 matches it definitely doesn't mean much, but over the length of a season they're very relevant, and it's a weird kind of wilful ignorance to deny that. Stats viewed in a small sample size should rightly be viewed with scepticism. Stats over a large sample size are mathematically speaking some of the most solid facts you can obtain about anything.
Gastonspurs, levy and Mou deserve one another
That's not exactly it. It deduces the probability of a particular outcome in a similar situation based on a sample size of thousands of similar events. The term expected goals is very appropriate because it's about what you should objectively expect, it's simple probabilities.
Yeah your right, I was probably excessively simplistic. The point I was trying to make was that when discussing a team's performance it's something that's most relevant over a large sample size (as all stats are).