I was making a generalization. This is not figure skating, there are no points awarded for style. Its all about the points column at the end of the day
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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Even when we won it under him, we only won more than 3 in a row once and that was the first 4 games.
After that up to newcastle in early December you won 7 out of 9 games so that's what Spurs need to do. Then 5 out of 7 in response to losing at Newcastle. That's what won you the league that season.
Spurs only won one of their last 4 now so a bit of pressure now going into Leicester game and may be 6 points off Liverpool by time they kick off.
Correct, that’s my point. They aren’t even the best team in the league on points.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55327660
PR has incredible power. Based on this coverage, you would think Jose was totally blameless for his United spell. It was Pogba’s fault, and the fact that Woodward was located 200 miles away.
PR has incredible power. Based on this coverage, you would think Jose was totally blameless for his United spell. It was Pogba’s fault, and the fact that Woodward was located 200 miles away.
The setup is not the only issue there is also the approach. With that setup we managed almost double Leipzig's shots because of a positive approach play.
By looking at the reactions one would think the manager here would NOT be 2nd in the league (man utd still has to play 1 more game) after losing the away game vs the champion with a goal in extra time in a game where the big chances were balanced, in a club where the objective is top4 
What does he need to do to not be ridiculed by (many?) people? Sacrifice someone to the possession-xG cult?
What does he need to do to not be ridiculed by (many?) people? Sacrifice someone to the possession-xG cult?
Haha! I read this on BBC and literally came to this thread to say the same thing.
I was a 'Jose-in' guy who was upset when he was sacked, despite accepting the performances and results had become unacceptable.
Seems my latest crusade is to counter all the anti-United media: after going out to Leipzig last week, it felt like our season was over based on articles. Mourinho meanwhile has that article written 2 days after a loss to Liverpool where his team had 24% possession. That style of football is only acceptable when it's effective, and on Wednesday it wasn't because they lost.
I've not read it all yet, but so far it's pathetic, Stone should be ashamed of putting his name to an article like that on the BBC
Speaking to someone who knows Mourinho well about the major difference between the misery of the end of his time at United and the joy at what is happening at Spurs now, the explanation came back "Pogba".
fecking hell it gets better,
On his joining Spurs: Not only that, there would be no need to spend the majority of his life in a hotel, which became such a major talking point in Manchester.
It makes it sound like someone had a gun to his head. His hotel living situation was one of those little things that added to the rich tapestry of shite while he was here,. He had literally no reason to not buy/rent a house, knew the message staying in a hotel sent, and chose to do it anyway for 2 and a half years like some psychotic.
On his joining Spurs: Not only that, there would be no need to spend the majority of his life in a hotel, which became such a major talking point in Manchester.
It makes it sound like someone had a gun to his head. His hotel living situation was one of those little things that added to the rich tapestry of shite while he was here,. He had literally no reason to not buy/rent a house, knew the message staying in a hotel sent, and chose to do it anyway for 2 and a half years like some psychotic.
By looking at the reactions one would think the manager here would NOT be 2nd in the league (man utd still has to play 1 more game) after losing the away game vs the champion with a goal in extra time in a game where the big chances were balanced, in a club where the objective is top4
What does he need to do to not be ridiculed by (many?) people? Sacrifice someone to the possession-xG cult?
It's a clever ploy by Utd fans, set the bar for Mourinho at winning the league and if he fails they can claim they were right.
It's funny though because you look at the Predict the Top 6 20/21 in order | RedCafe.net thread and not many had Spurs in the top 4, some not even in the top 6.
Never did I think I would read a phrase like 'brilliant pettiness' used earnestly. He really does push people to their limits.
People would have thought that he set up Tottenham with Son, Kane, Lloris, Alderweireld, Ndombele, Aurier, Lucas, Dier and whoever the way he was getting the attention over there god damn.
He literally had a free club to build up here and he chose Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Lindelof, Bailly and players like that
I dont know why I cant stand his personality as a manager and how he shoots other humans down - when it ends up happening to him I end up wanting to be like "here Jose, this is Karma, think about what you do and how you do it you evil little man".
He literally had a free club to build up here and he chose Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Lindelof, Bailly and players like that
I dont know why I cant stand his personality as a manager and how he shoots other humans down - when it ends up happening to him I end up wanting to be like "here Jose, this is Karma, think about what you do and how you do it you evil little man".
Such a weird article to put out after losing an important possibly season defining game against the champions. He could easily go on a losing streak with the games coming up and then the article will look even more idiotic.
What was baffling was how many people cared. I support many teams across sports and hand on heart I don't know where Ryan Day or Taylor Jenkins resides
Jose articles sell. Be it in a positive way or a negative way. It is weird that they should put Pogba's name out there. They put it out probably because, Pogba is no longer a good boy in fan's mind. Fans have had enough of him and his agent mouthing off. So it is safe to single him out.
Pogba was just one of the problems Jose faced. But the problem is Jose's ideas/plans with the players were neither acceptable for the board or the fans. Neither was his preferred style of play. So it was an unhappy wedding that had to end.
Jose is a massive cnut. So it is not surprising that once it became clear to Jose that he wants an out, he went full c**ty and then it was a matter of when rather than if.
At least from a United point of view, I think Jose would have learnt some lessons there. Unless the board, the club structure and everything was compatible with his ideology, it would not go well. So I hope he talked and understood Spurs well enough before making the choice.
In the end Jose is a difficult man to work with. Be it as a player or as a boss. There will be so much drama, noise and fighting eventually. It is inevitable. Anyone who gets him into the club should be ready for it.
I think im coming around to the idea that Spurs are a decent bet for top 4, but i certainly don't think it's a guarantee. Anyone setting the bar at a title is stupid, and probably (understandably) still holding a bit of a grudge against Jose because of how things ended at United
Its a taster of what would happen if you did challenge for the title and, admit it, it isnt pretty.
I dont see the point of playing like this is you arent targeting the title.
United has not been praised this season, to put it mildly, so its funny that they soon be ahead of Spurs.
Nothing is guaranteed, we're only 1/3 of the way through the season and anything could happen from here. I just find it a little strange that after a narrow stoppage time defeat away to the champions where they haven't lost in over three years the rhetoric seems to be that Spurs and Jose are done, it's all over. Especially when Spurs could have won that game and even though they didn't, still sit 2nd in the table.
I personally favour counter-attacking football over possession based so I'm probably not the best to argue this point to, that said there are occasions where I think Jose goes too far with it to an unnecessary degree. I was surprised by the reaction to the Liverpool game tbh as I thought that yes, the first half an hour or so was very much attack vs defence but from 35-75 mins Spurs actually started to play quite aggressively and further up the pitch, they knew from Son's goal that the chances were there and overall created the best openings in the game. Of all the matches this season between the so called big six I thought this was the best as a spectacle, which it wouldn't have been had Spurs just simply sat in and parked the bus all game as some suggest.
I do think it's a bit of a cheek for Utd fans to criticise the football Spurs are playing though when they themselves have served up some absolute shite against the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and City. Not that you are alone in that as those sides also played their part in making those games an awful watch. I think Spurs are targeting the title and rightly so given the current climate but if they finish top 4 then that will still be considered a good season, winning the Europa would also be a big success for the club.
Any talk of "targetting" the title is dumb with regard to any club. All clubs try to do the best they can - and where they end up at the end of it all is where they end up.
My personal opinion that top 4 wasn't likely was down to the fact that I'd watched most of your games and you were largely pretty poor. The more I watch though the more its clear that your squad are buying in to Jose and he can drag results out when he needs to.
I still do believe that City, United and Chelsea will pass you by the end, but im from Tottenham and quite fond of the club so I hope you make it, unless of course its at Uniteds expense.
Winning titles is the only way to accept that brand of football though. Jose history shows it cant be built on season after season, its only for immediate success.
Say youre out of the title race by the end of February, what enjoyment would there be by having 30 percent of the ball v Villa in a 1-1 draw?
Your ascribing to Spurs under Mourinho of one particular and single brand of football is simply wrong, because it varies according to who we're playing.
Spurs do not sit back and play on the counter in all games. Indeed, in some games we face a packed, deep-sitting defence, where game becomes pretty much attack vs defence.
Spurs stuttering as people predicted.
Wolves away, Leeds and Fulham to come. Not exactly the ideal fixture run in for Mourinho.
Wolves away, Leeds and Fulham to come. Not exactly the ideal fixture run in for Mourinho.
When the results don’t follow, you’re left with nothing else. It’s why Mourinho eventually crashes and burns; there’s nothing left to defend at that point.
He will be lucky to see Easter.
Jose getting punished for playing the same shite football. No doubt spurs fans will still be delighted with him.
We are now at the stage where results start going wrong and Jose starts looking for who to blame. He’ll find someone soon.
We are now at the stage where results start going wrong and Jose starts looking for who to blame. He’ll find someone soon.
That’s really over the top. Jose is having a better season than I expected so far. He could put on a really good run of form.
We win today and we are above them. So much for Mourinho being miles better than Ole.
His style has already run them into the ground. Kane was exhausted mid way through the second half there and he tends to get his injuries when hes overplayed
We really need to have a run of 5/6 wins on the trot to have any hope of staying in the top 4. Based on today I can't see it.
He's already lost as many home league games for Spurs as he did over his time at Inter and his 2 spells at Chelsea (all combined).
Yep, keeping players onside and motivated (to play that style) almost exclusively relies on them being in the title race.
It shows really how much the tactics have covered for Alderwerield, Dier, and Aurier, making them out to be better defenders than they are. It worked for a while, but it is not sustainable to keep players, who a lot marked as trash/finished last season, playing at a higher level. In the end, people seem to have forgotten that they were in tenth-ish place when he joined, and there was a reason for that: their team was pretty awful outside Kane, Son, and Loris.
Hjobjerg looks a good signing, but they still have to play one of Sissoko or Winks, who are incredibly average players. They may be able to run around and tackle people, but they belong lower down the table. Ndombele and Lo Celso, while looking good times, still leave a lot to be desired.
They have no effective right-winger; they have too many players who seem to be good at dribbling but nothing else: Moura, Lamela, and Bergwijn (albeit, not so much this season). Bale was a punt, to be honest; I think he was worth the try since he was only a loan, but it hasn't seemed to have worked out.
They still need a lot of work. In the end, people have been drawn in by them being in first position, but their team (albeit better than last season) is still really lacking.
Hjobjerg looks a good signing, but they still have to play one of Sissoko or Winks, who are incredibly average players. They may be able to run around and tackle people, but they belong lower down the table. Ndombele and Lo Celso, while looking good times, still leave a lot to be desired.
They have no effective right-winger; they have too many players who seem to be good at dribbling but nothing else: Moura, Lamela, and Bergwijn (albeit, not so much this season). Bale was a punt, to be honest; I think he was worth the try since he was only a loan, but it hasn't seemed to have worked out.
They still need a lot of work. In the end, people have been drawn in by them being in first position, but their team (albeit better than last season) is still really lacking.
All aboard. The blame train is about to depart.
I don’t think many of your challengers (or anyone) will put together a run like that.
Wait and see, mate. This is how it usually begins: a run of poor form, outdated tactics and incessant petulance from the manager alienates the players, and then the blame game starts.
We’ve been here many times before. I fail to see how this ends up any differently.
Come on mate - they won't come close to winning he title - but let's not go overboard!
The second season is the peak of what he achieves - third season is the meltdown. You know the score by now.
Never thought I’d see you defending Mourinho