Jose Mourinho Sack Watch | Sacked per 19-04
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Madrid not falling in love with him, broke him.
They are obviously different players and Ndombele is more creative than a workhorse but he looks shot for confidence.
I actually think he did. I think I remember a pre or post match presser where he said they couldn't focus on both the CL and the PML but his priority was the PML.
You could tell the team needed a big rebuild before Mourinho were hired. I bet Levy expected bad results to keep coming either way, especially without huge investments in the squad. Don't think they had the money for it. If you hire Mourinho he might manage to work miracles with a poor squad, maybe win a trophy and if not you got the perfect fall-guy as he'll make himself the enemy soon enough. That's my only logical take on it, doesn't really make a lot of sense otherwise.
Yep. Should have backed Pochettino imo. He would have turned it around with some backing.
Mourinhos head drops very quickly when a few things go against him. I think the Son injury has broken him
Possibly not but I think Jose is doing the right thing in putting pressure on the board - it's the board that have got us into this mess through lack of investment so I'm 100% behind him on this.
Arsenal only conceded 17 goals in 1998/99, obviously he inherited a world-class defensive unit from the early 90s, but it shows that his teams used to be able to defend and have steel. Mourinho's teams used to be able to attack well within an organised unit, in recent years he can't get the balance right at all. He can still play for low-scoring draws but when his team tries to win games, they inevitably concede 2 or 3 the other end.
Even in 14-15 he was getting something like 15 out of a possible 18 pts against top 4 rivals. Ferguson himself said he had to change how he primed the squad in order to challenge Chelsea.
Mourinho clearly was a great manager for about 10 years, but he ruined himself at Madrid in his quest to spite Guardiola /Barca and has been on a downward slide ever since.
Mourinho should look at Jorge Jesus as an example: JJ is almost 10 years older, but he always tries to introduce new things into training. But then, we are comparing Mourinho to a guy who despite being a manager, he's clearly a Head Coach type of manager profile.
He's (Jose) purposefully sabotaging Spurs.
Is in the process of trying to reinvent himself - he will rise again imo.
If Spuds give him time I think he'll do ok there.
He's lost Kane and Son ffs, I know he's unpopular on here, but Spurs without those two are nothing really.
If Spuds give him time I think he'll do ok there.
He's lost Kane and Son ffs, I know he's unpopular on here, but Spurs without those two are nothing really.
They've still got enough to beat Norwich at home. In attack they have Bergwijn, Lo Celso, Alli, Lamela and Lucas Moura.
The problem is that they have been leaking goals all season and he has done nothing to alter that. Without Kane they lack the clinical edge to be winning those games 3-2 because Jose cannot do without a target man.
Swear people have been saying this since the 2nd Chelsea meltdown. I just don't see anything that points to him rising again really.
What actually happened with him at Madrid? Anyone have the full story?
Honestly, I think he took this job for the redundancy payoff. There is no way he thought that this would end well, considering the Spurs board are not known for backing the manager with much money. No way. I think it was a 'suck it and see' type job acceptance, where he thought worst case scenario I get a payoff quickly.
You should look up on it, it was a series of meltdowns and broken relationships with the players there.
Madrid didn't break up, they exposed him by showing his brand of football was done at the top end of European football. The Madrid squad he constantly squandered with in the CL, went to win on 4 of next 5 CL titles
United fans weren’t this lenient with Ole when he lost Pogba, Rashford, and McTominay. ie. our two best players and arguably our player of the season up to that point.
Jose looks finished, surely he’ll get the summer transfer window but he’ll have even less to spend than he had at United, and even that wasn’t enough.
Jose has only been in the job 3 months - that is the difference. Gotta give him a bit of time.
Last great coaching performance from him was in 2010. Yeah he had the 11/12 season.
He just like Wenger has not adapted to the times. All his teams look awful when it comes to fitness.
It's easy saying Madrid broke him. But he has not changed his coaching style. He has not adapted to teams pressing more or playing more on the front foot. Regardless of what happened at Madrid even if he had won the champions league, I still feel the same thing would have happened.
He just like Wenger has not adapted to the times. All his teams look awful when it comes to fitness.
It's easy saying Madrid broke him. But he has not changed his coaching style. He has not adapted to teams pressing more or playing more on the front foot. Regardless of what happened at Madrid even if he had won the champions league, I still feel the same thing would have happened.
Time actually seems to make him worse at his job.
Honestly, the replies on this forum are incredibly biased and quite shocking. It seems everyone is giving into the narrative that Sky Sports creates every day surrounding Jose Mourinho, that he's at fault for everything. Probably in the same way as Souness and Scholes scream about Pogba every week.
United fans forget how many excuses were made for Solskjaer when Pogba and Rashford suffered injuries. Even before that, when we lost McTominay. People were talking about how limited he is this season.
Spurs have lost arguably one of if not the best No. 9 in the world in Harry Kane, the man who's been the forefront of everything since then in Son, and their occasionally World Class goalkeeper. They've also lost their most creative and influential midfielder in Eriksen.
Alongside that, just watch Spurs play and you'll see how utterly dreadful their squad is. Their wing backs are some of the worst in the League defensively, Ndombele loses the ball a ridiculous amount of times for a midfielder and never seems to be in position, they have no real defensive midfielder who can break up play except Dier(enough said), and he's being forced to play Alli in a position where he can't influence the game. On top of that players like Lamela, who have some quality don't seem to understand that sometimes you're going to need to work with your team mates in order to do well.
I know a lot of said of Spurs' central defence, but Vertonghen has lost it, Sanchez isn't good enough, and alongside Alderweireld, neither seems to ever know where they're supposed to be. It's all very erratic. Plus Spurs fans who've constantly wanted to see Parrott play should notice he has some incredibly slow reactions for a forward
Like, really slow that it should be concerning, even if he is young.
I'd be shocked if anything was achieved at all with this squad. They're an 8th to 9th place squad without their stars.
I don't get the hate against Jose either. Yes, he was toxic at the end but he had valid reason to be. The fact that he said at the end that he'd lost his passion for football at United should make people question what actually goes on at our club. Besides that our board is dreadful and we have some of the most temperamental players in the league. Solskjaer has done well, because he tends to mollycoddle them, which isn't the Jose approach. Even when they were shire, he talks about how they played well. It's clever from Solskjaer.
However, Jose is also the last manager to give us any hope that we'd be able to reach the top again. We emphasized the Europa League and took the Carabao Cup as well, but then guided us into second behind what is probably the best squad in world football at the moment. Plus an FA Cup Final, where he slammed players in the loss, talking about how they are not working hard enough, and how many are prioritizing themselves for the World Cup instead of the club. The only difference between that second place squad and Ole's squad was literally Lukaku and Herrera. Ole has in fact had a few upgrades since then, and yet we currently have a dreadful points tally. In fact, the league has been so competitive this year because most of the top 8 sides(all of them, except Liverpool) have been severely under performing. That's why we're only ahead of 11th place by 5 damn points.
I mean, come on, this bias is ridiculous now. He's not the best person in the world, but the fact that Guardiola and Klopp are treated like Gods and him like the devil is ridiculous. This stupid narrative needs to end already.
United fans forget how many excuses were made for Solskjaer when Pogba and Rashford suffered injuries. Even before that, when we lost McTominay. People were talking about how limited he is this season.
Spurs have lost arguably one of if not the best No. 9 in the world in Harry Kane, the man who's been the forefront of everything since then in Son, and their occasionally World Class goalkeeper. They've also lost their most creative and influential midfielder in Eriksen.
Alongside that, just watch Spurs play and you'll see how utterly dreadful their squad is. Their wing backs are some of the worst in the League defensively, Ndombele loses the ball a ridiculous amount of times for a midfielder and never seems to be in position, they have no real defensive midfielder who can break up play except Dier(enough said), and he's being forced to play Alli in a position where he can't influence the game. On top of that players like Lamela, who have some quality don't seem to understand that sometimes you're going to need to work with your team mates in order to do well.
I know a lot of said of Spurs' central defence, but Vertonghen has lost it, Sanchez isn't good enough, and alongside Alderweireld, neither seems to ever know where they're supposed to be. It's all very erratic. Plus Spurs fans who've constantly wanted to see Parrott play should notice he has some incredibly slow reactions for a forward
Like, really slow that it should be concerning, even if he is young.
I'd be shocked if anything was achieved at all with this squad. They're an 8th to 9th place squad without their stars.
I don't get the hate against Jose either. Yes, he was toxic at the end but he had valid reason to be. The fact that he said at the end that he'd lost his passion for football at United should make people question what actually goes on at our club. Besides that our board is dreadful and we have some of the most temperamental players in the league. Solskjaer has done well, because he tends to mollycoddle them, which isn't the Jose approach. Even when they were shire, he talks about how they played well. It's clever from Solskjaer.
However, Jose is also the last manager to give us any hope that we'd be able to reach the top again. We emphasized the Europa League and took the Carabao Cup as well, but then guided us into second behind what is probably the best squad in world football at the moment. Plus an FA Cup Final, where he slammed players in the loss, talking about how they are not working hard enough, and how many are prioritizing themselves for the World Cup instead of the club. The only difference between that second place squad and Ole's squad was literally Lukaku and Herrera. Ole has in fact had a few upgrades since then, and yet we currently have a dreadful points tally. In fact, the league has been so competitive this year because most of the top 8 sides(all of them, except Liverpool) have been severely under performing. That's why we're only ahead of 11th place by 5 damn points.
I mean, come on, this bias is ridiculous now. He's not the best person in the world, but the fact that Guardiola and Klopp are treated like Gods and him like the devil is ridiculous. This stupid narrative needs to end already.
This is the year 1 honeymoon season.... year 3 is going to be a cracker.
Relegation? Telling the media he longs to manage Arsenal? Literally anything is possible
Relegation? Telling the media he longs to manage Arsenal? Literally anything is possible
Odd second post. Is that you Jose?
There might be a reason for that and very good one too.
Guardiola is hardly treated as a god.
Hes had his fair share of criticism from the media
Think it's Duncan Castles.
Oh. That does make a lot sense
Blimey me. The Jose love is strong in you padawan.By all means keep defending him, and at the same time, those who want to, will continue to laugh at, what is very obvious, an outdated manager.
If half of the posts in here haven't made you see, or even just looking at the past few years since his 2nd stint at Chelsea, then nothing will really ever convince you otherwise that he is done as a top manager. No hate, just fact. Even in selecting projects he can't see past his ego and realize that he just can't cut it.
At the end of the day, his the one creating the so called "stupid narrative" but constantly finding ways to make it about him against the world. The media just give him the platform and the rest is just him.
Mourinho has been sacked by Real Madrid, Chelsea and United now and will not last long at Spurs either. He lost the dressing room at all the 3 clubs and has a habit of blaming everything and everyone apart from himself for his troubles. You state that "we have some of the most temperamental players in the league. Solskjaer has done well, because he tends to mollycoddle them, which isn't the Jose approach. Even when they were shire, he talks about how they played well. It's clever from Solskjaer." I quess that you are mostly talking about Pogba here but perhaps Martial and Lingard also ? I can not see when looking at the current squad where all those tempermental players in the league are??
OGS has sold or loaned 9 players and signed Bissaka,James,Maquire and Bruno. I think we could agree that all these 4 signings have worked out quite well and improve us as a team. Mourinho was given close to 400 million pounds for players while at United and the highest wage bill in English football. He did not improve us and like at Madrid where he fell out with Casillas,Ramos,Pepe, Ronaldo and others, at Chelsea after winning the League he managed to get people against him and the highligt was calling Dr Eva Carneiro a "Filha da puta" when she went on to the pitch to treat Hazard. And at United he was just behaving like a miserable person and once again humiliating players in public and playing the victim game where the plain truth is that he was not up to the job.
He must then be one of the misunderstood genius kind, where everyting they do is right and everybody that does not see it exactly his way are pushed away??? Ferguson always did his dealings with players in private and he knew that you could never stand still and needed to reinvent your self and your methods constantly. Therefore he delegated tasks and was not afraid to bring new methods and personel to his staff. From my viewpoint Mourinho has stood still as a manager and not developed as a manager while football has changed a lot over the last decade. Living in a hotel in Manchester, having us playing the most boring football I´ve seen and then complaining about everything was just pathetic and I remember the day he was sacked. It was like Christmas had come early and Mr Grinch had been sent away. But now you are seeing Mourinho despite stating after being hired at Spurs that he had learned from his previous mistakes doing them all over again and now at the fourth club running.
Bore off.
Interestingly the new haircut bounce lasted less than a week this time, the press usually give more mileage when he used to pull that trick.
This is like showing the last episode as a teaser for a new tv series.
When he gets sacked by Spurs, surely that's it for him? Certainly at the top level. He's basically exhausted all his options in terms go clubs he can go to, and who the hell is going to take another punt on him after his recent history.
I actually think you have a lot of good points in this post, BUT Jose does deserve his fair share of blame to.
In regards to Parrott, he is too busy playing plastic gangster like Ravel and Ranger before him. I cannot see him ever being this top striker many expect.
Isn't this the opposite of what you would typically expect from Mourinho? He was supposed to be the guy who comes in and stabilises things in the short term. History would suggest that giving him time is the worst thing to do, especially when things are seemingly erratic already.
Under normal circumstances yeah - but we have had horrible luck with injuries which you have to take into consideration. Our only two guaranteed goal scorers in the team (including by far our best and most important player) out and our club captain also out. That alone has pretty much done us in with or without Jose.
i can relate
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