I’d be far more inclined to put up with all of his bullshit if we were playing the type of football that justifies nearly £300 million of expenditure since he arrived last summer.
I’d be far more inclined to put up with all of his bullshit if we were playing the type of football that justifies nearly £300 million of expenditure since he arrived last summer.
Firstly, are you talking about £300m that PSG spent on 2 players in one summer? £300m is the new £100m.....so stop making it look like Jose spent a fortune
No one is making excuses. What a manager has spent also have a direct relationship with what he inherited when taking the job.
City had a much better squad than United when Pep/José arrived last year. Yet, Pep has spent more money than Jose and you automatically expect United to have a better squad than City?
In spite of this, it was Jose that won trophies last season and Pep had nothing to show for it. This summer, Pep outspent Jose yet again and that & unlucky injury curse is the difference between those clubs.
It's not like City went and signed Messi or Neymar. Their best player, KDB, cost about as much as we paid for di Maria, and Gabriel Jesus a fraction of Lukaku's price. They are simply spending more wisely and investing in young, exciting talents, and it's finally starting to pay off.As if 300m is enough to build you an elite level team in today's market.
City have a different level of financial muscle to United and it show's.
I may be wrong but next season could be Jose's actual 2nd season and we could actually start playing some beautiful counter-attacking football. It would be a shame if Jose is not able to win a EPL or CL with us.
It's not like City went and signed Messi or Neymar. Their best player, KDB, cost about as much as we paid for di Maria, and Gabriel Jesus a fraction of Lukaku's price. They are simply spending more wisely and investing in young, exciting talents, and it's finally starting to pay off.
I feel match going fans will back him once we again start beating the so called smaller teams convincingly. All he needs to make sure is not turn the place toxic. this is why as long as he beats the smaller teams in a convincing fashion and goes toe to toe with big teams at Old trafford, he will be fine for this season. If he finishes outside top 4, he will unfortunately be sacked. If he finishes in top 3 with 80 plus points , scoring 75 plus goals in the league, majority will give him one more season and so would the board.He’ll get there if backed by the fans and more importantly the board.
There are no excuses here....
Judge him when he actually fails, not when the media tell you he has failed.
Remove the equivalent of what United have missed in key players in City, Spurs, etc and tell me where they would be on the table.
That we are 2nd on the table playing only 2 central midfielders for the past 2 months is a testament to Jose’s management acumen.
It seems most of you have forgotten when LVG’s team especially his 2nd season. After GW11, we were 8th on the table and 10 points below the league leaders. We only managed to cop 15 points from 10 league games.
This is why I can see him leaving in summer, all the soundings coming from his camp are completely off. He's openly flirting with PSG and stating he doesn't feel like he's backed well enough in the transfer market, absolutely ridiculous given the amount of money he's already been given.
As if 300m is enough to build you an elite level team in today's market.
City have a different level of financial muscle to United and it show's.
He wanted Griezmann and Perisic, got neither. Pep is able to spend 60m on goalkeepers and 100m on fbs. Don't compare him with City if he can't compete with them.
Those two players wouldn’t have made any difference when he deploys “park the bus” tactics at every given opportunity.
He wanted Griezmann and Perisic, got neither. Pep is able to spend 60m on goalkeepers and 100m on fbs. Don't compare him with City if he can't compete with them.
That goes both ways. Mourinho broke at the time the world transfer record spending 89m on a midfielder. He also got to spend 70m or so on Lukaku. The Griezmann deal seemingly broke down because the player changed his mind as opposed to financial limitations. If it went through I'm sure we'd have spent another 70-80m or so on top.
I think Pep has spent about 100m more? That's quite a lot and can make a difference, but it doesn't have to make the world of difference. Money =/= success. Money to buy the right players integrated into the team with an implemented coaching strategy is what breeds success. In terms of spending, I find it strange that United and City are being compared like for like. It's very rare that teams will spend exactly the same amounts when competing for trophies. The way I see it personally is that both Jose and Pep have spent in the same ballpark, and have spent enough each for finances not to be a limiting factor in their results.
Nobody in the world has spent more than United over the last four years.
We’ve spent over £600 million since SAF retired which is more than enough to expect the team to be able to string more than two fecking passes together and look like a cohesive attacking team.
Those two players wouldn’t have made any difference when he deploys “park the bus” tactics at every given opportunity.
That goes both ways. Mourinho broke at the time the world transfer record spending 89m on a midfielder. He also got to spend 70m or so on Lukaku. The Griezmann deal seemingly broke down because the player changed his mind as opposed to financial limitations. If it went through I'm sure we'd have spent another 70-80m or so on top.
I think Pep has spent about 100m more? That's quite a lot and can make a difference, but it doesn't have to make the world of difference. Money =/= success. Money to buy the right players integrated into the team with an implemented coaching strategy is what breeds success. In terms of spending, I find it strange that United and City are being compared like for like. It's very rare that teams will spend exactly the same amounts when competing for trophies. The way I see it personally is that both Jose and Pep have spent in the same ballpark, and have spent enough each for finances not to be a limiting factor in their results.
He didn't want Griezmann. Perisic just one signing that we didn't get. But they wouldn't make much difference, our midfield has turned into turd without Pogba.He wanted Griezmann and Perisic, got neither. Pep is able to spend 60m on goalkeepers and 100m on fbs. Don't compare him with City if he can't compete with them.
City invested massively year after year while we were putting funds towards debt repayments and replacing Ronaldo/Scholes/Rio with Young/Cleverly/Smalling.
Their best players Aguero/Silva/Yaya/Kompany cost less than 100m total, how much do you think that group would cost in today's market? A 23 year old Aguero would be worth more than 100m alone.
Mourinho didn't sign Di Maria and as I said in a previous post he's not responsible for the 3 years of transfer failings before he arrived but seems to be baring the brunt of criticism/frustation from it.
Let's not act as if City investment is wise and unheard of, they went out and spend massively on the best players in the market.
Guardiola arrives at the club and decides Joe Hart isn't good enough so loans him to Italy while subsidising his wages and spends £20m on Bravo + 100k pw. After 1 failed season he spends another 40m on Ederson and sticks him on 100kpw. All told that's £60m in transfer fee's 200k pw in wages + whatever Joe Hart get's subsidised all while spending another 200m the same summer.
No other team in the premier league can compete with that type of financial muscle, I don't even think United could bin Bravo after 1 poor season and add more goalkeeper fees to the age bill with Hart still available. If Guardiola was at Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool he'd be stuck with Hart and spend whatever ££ they have available elsewhere.
Our spending after SAF retired is a direct result of the lack of investment we saw from when the Glazers arrived until SAF retired. We had a lower net spend than Stoke and Scholes/Rio/Ronaldo got replaced with Cleverly/Smalling and Young.
During the time when we were spending all our money on debt repayments and there was "no value in the market" City got Aguero/Silva/Yaya/Kompany for less than 100m, how much do you think that group would cost in today's market?
Griezmann is a massive upgrade on all of our attacking players and the reason Mourinho plays a more defensive strategy is because he doesn't feel we have enough ability in the team/squad to take these teams on, and he's right.
Pep inherited Aguero/Silva/KDB/. 3 Players who were and still are better than anyone at United. Give Mourinho those 3 players and allow him 100m more than Pep in 2 seasons and see whose playing champagne football.
He didn't want Griezmann. Perisic just one signing that we didn't get. But they wouldn't make much difference, our midfield has turned into turd without Pogba.
But sure Let's pretend United didn't back him
City have invested massively, that is true.
We have also invested heavily. What you describe about Bravo can be applied to Lindeloff
Give Mourinho KDB and he’d sell him. Wait, he already did...
Pep also had balls to ship away Joe Hart when we still stuck with Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Young etc... They're good squad players and all but it's not the way to move forward. We spent ~ 300m under Jose but still heavily rely upon 2-3 players's form.
Pep inherited Aguero/Silva/KDB/. 3 Players who were and still are better than anyone at United. Give Mourinho those 3 players and allow him 100m more than Pep in 2 seasons and see whose playing champagne football.
I’d be far more inclined to put up with all of his bullshit if we were playing the type of football that justifies nearly £300 million of expenditure since he arrived last summer.
Nobody in the world has spent more than United over the last four years.
We’ve spent over £600 million since SAF retired which is more than enough to expect the team to be able to string more than two fecking passes together and look like a cohesive attacking team.
Mourinho also had the "balls" to ship away Rooney. Much harder to sell over someone like Joe Hart. Let's not forget deadwood like Schweinsteiger who everyone here seemed to have a hardon for.
The fact is, Pep had a starting point with Man City with talents like Agüero, De Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling etc. This was a team that was ready to compete way before Pep was in charge and had done several years before with Pellegrini. Mourinho's starting point was a team that's finished 7th, 4th and 5th that needs a huge rebuild. Why is this so hard to understand?
Its quite simple. £100m will get you two good players or one very good player. Can you say that Mourinho is a better coach than Guardiola to a degree that he can make up for that? I would say no. If anything Mourinho and Guardiola are on a similar level as coaches so that extra £100m can be the difference between 1st and 2nd place.
Finances are NOT a limiting factor in results for us, because we are 2nd place and have had a fantastic first 10 games to the season. However, it will be a limiting factor in competing domestically because we can't deal with injuries as well as them and have less options off the bench.
£300m lol. Pennies. City have spent £130m on three fullbacks in case that news hasn't reached you in 1998 yet!
I feel match going fans will back him once we again start beating the so called smaller teams convincingly. All he needs to make sure is not turn the place toxic. this is why as long as he beats the smaller teams in a convincing fashion and goes toe to toe with big teams at Old trafford, he will be fine for this season. If he finishes outside top 4, he will unfortunately be sacked. If he finishes in top 3 with 80 plus points , scoring 75 plus goals in the league, majority will give him one more season and so would the board.
Mourinho also had the "balls" to ship away Rooney. Much harder to sell over someone like Joe Hart. Let's not forget deadwood like Schweinsteiger who everyone here seemed to have a hardon for.
The fact is, Pep had a starting point with Man City with talents like Agüero, De Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling etc. This was a team that was ready to compete way before Pep was in charge and had done several years before with Pellegrini. Mourinho's starting point was a team that's finished 7th, 4th and 5th that needs a huge rebuild. Why is this so hard to understand?
I may be wrong but next season could be Jose's actual 2nd season and we could actually start playing some beautiful counter-attacking football. It would be a shame if Jose is not able to win a EPL or CL with us.
I hate how the manager plays the media to secure a better paycheck, whilst questioning the motivation of the players and whilst delivering shit on a stick week in week out.